Never give up.
This is the opportunity for someone else perhaps to take the ball and run with it. There are many strong players still alive.

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Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
Liq, you pulled that as the seer?
I'm in awe, what a terrible play.

I'll be launching into somewhat of a larger post when I have the time, I actually had to post to exclaim my surprise.

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No kiddin' pretty bold for the seer to suggest such a play. I am one to believe that the ww's KNEW the seer was not in the "The 7" To protect the seer and call out 7 others without knowing.. you had to be a ww or know something...

But I think the silent play for the next round is still an option.

Thoughts.

**According to sources, some of the villagers have not been compliant with the newly ordered curfew. The local police have been rounding up stragglers and forcing them to head home. However, these same sources said that between the hours of 9 and 10 PM, there was yet another grizzly murder.**

Deputy Jones " We have instituted this curfew for your protection. Failure to comply can and will result in actions taken by local law enforcement. "

Kent Brockman, of WPGW(Pogglesworth radio station) " Officer Jones, there has been speculation of yet another death in the village limits"

Deputy Jones " Yes there has been another murder. All we know at this time is that the murder is similar to the one that occurred last week involving PD. We still have no suspects at this time."

Kent Brockman " Has the body been identified?"

Deputy Jones " The body is of another villager from this small town. His name was GottaLoveElves. Now please no more questions, the mayor will be briefed and we will have a press conference at that time. To the villagers of Pogglesworth; please obey this curfew until we have the killer, or killers in custody. That is all."

Villagers, your votes are due Tuesday night!

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Originally posted by koodkkslis:
Liq got one scry and knew the identity of one person. He suggested that we first lynch ToL, so if ToL was scryed he was not a cit.

I am running with this.

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Originally posted by koodkkslis:
Liq got one scry and knew the identity of one person. He suggested that we first lynch ToL, so if ToL was scryed he was not a cit.

I am running with this.

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Seems sound, coupled with the possible bluff ToL made about willingly putting himself on the chopping block.

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Originally posted by The Rules:
Game play:

To start the game, the Werewolves will give me a name of who their first victim is. Then all the players discuss what to do. Before the specified time, all players must submit to me their vote, via pm. If multiple votes are submitted, the most recent will be counted. I will then reveal who voted for whom and which player has been eliminated .After the lynching, the Werewolves, Seer and the Angel, all pm me their targets. If the Angel's target is the same as the Werewolves for that round, and only that round that player will be saved.Then the next round of voting and so on.

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The seer does not get a R0 scry. Liq had no names. But I find it interesting that you both are so quickly on board for a ToL lynch.

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Shoulda listened to that guy talking about the ides of March...

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Originally posted by Fwybwed:
Post note: I voted for BoT because it was a jump on Jaz's vote for Kood. early in the round. No real evidence just suspicion, which may change as the game goes on.

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I followed Jaz's vote because it seemed to be a good idea to go after a silent player, and if we both voted for the same one it was more likely that he'd be lynched. He's come out of the woodwork now; randon still has only posted once, so he's higher up on my list now.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
The seer does not get a R0 scry. Liq had no names. But I find it interesting that you both are so quickly on board for a ToL lynch.

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This might have just been an oversight, as I thought this was like Mafia where the cop gets a round 0 scry. Is that a purposeful change, MM?

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Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits:

This might have just been an oversight, as I thought this was like Mafia where the cop gets a round 0 scry. Is that a purposeful change, MM?

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Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits:

This might have just been an oversight, as I thought this was like Mafia where the cop gets a round 0 scry. Is that a purposeful change, MM?

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Yes. It was determined a few rounds ago, that this would be a rule change for future games.

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So, right now, I want to get a few of my thoughts out for the rest of the cits to review over the next two days and I'll do the same on wednesday when I get back.

First of all: The deaths.
We have, through two kills and a lynch, lost three incredibly strong players (well, some might say two and one who runs his mouth, but whatever). I'm thinking the PD kill may have been a fairly straightforward one after all. Especially after a GLE kill. GLE hadn't even had time to name suspicions, so the only reason he could have been killed is performance history- that is, that he's a strong player.
Conclusions: We have at least 1 newer/weaker WW player, likely (but not nessecarily) the leader.

Second: The Liq pile.
No self-respecting wolf pack would pass up the chance at lynching one of the strongest players in the game. I would say with about 90% certainty that there is at least 1 wolf in the Liq pile. GLE is dead and I am not a wolf (of course, that's not exactly a flawless defense, but we don't have a seer so I guess you'll all have to draw your own conlusions). That leaves O_B and revenger, whom I'll come back to in a minute.

Thirdly: My main (non-OB or revenger) suspicion right now. ThoughtsofLepers.
His posts:

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
In the history of kills that give away no info, this has got to give the least. Of course the wolves would kill PD, and it figures they got our angel and record-keeper in one. IMO, this makes it even more important that everyone speaks up. No silent players! With that said, no stone-casting here; I'll leave that to someone else.

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Analysis: This was not a terribly suspicious post, aside from mirroring almost perfectly the phrasing that GLE had used in the post immediately prior, with a dash of the usual newb confetti-throwing disposition.

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
I actually like that plan, (I say actually because it looks like it may get me lynched) assuming it's not against any rules. Who would I vote for under that proposed scenario?

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Analysis: Here he jumps immediately on the Liq-strategy bandwagon. Possibly a wolf trying to keep his cool. More on that to come.

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
Like I said, I like it; provisionally, anyhow. (Although I should probably add I'm a cit, so it might be more fruitful to switch the bulk of the vote to someone else, and I'd take the other slot, but whatever). I'd at least be very interested to see how the votes go if everyone does agree on this. And anyway, I have no real suspicions as of yet, so why not try it?

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Analysis: This is where things start getting interesting.
More easygoing compliance with Liq's strategy in a confetti-throwing (read: friendly) manner, but what I find most noteworthy is the throwaway line where he casually suggests he be the 4-vote pile and someone else get lynched instead- especially bookended as it is between the last post and the next one.

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
@Bugger

That seems like an idea any citizen would like. I say we try that out. Chances of having people vote for the seer are much smaller than having people vote for a wolf. And more importantly (and more likely), I think it would be useful to see who actually votes for who and who responds negatively to the plan in general. So next round, it would be me/bugger on the block, with the 5/4 stacked however the masses deem appropriate. Unless something happens that changes my mind, I'm officially voting Liq for the reasons outlined by Bugger, and hope that all fellow citizenry will as well. (And for the same reasons. Assuming Liq isn't a wolf, I think this split vote agreement will help determine who the wolves are and protect the seer. [I was going to outline this point further, but I decided it gives away too much to the wolves.]

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Here he completely changes direction and throws all his support quite strongly behind my proposition. "hope all fellow citizenry will do as well". "seems like an idea any citizen would like".

And finally:

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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
Meh. I just saw what I thought was a good idea (Liq's) and then everyone complained that the last time a system was used by someone to control voting, that someone ended up being a wolf. So, after that Bugger brought up a way to do it and check Liq. I thought that was something we as citizens could/should get behind. Since it seems its not likely to be adopted, I won't be trying it out by myself. (Oh look! Here I am bandwagoning again! Although really its just me trying to get behind ANYTHING that might be good for the citizens. Whatever we do, it shouldn't just be our own thing.) I expected wolf opposition to the plan, but there was too much oppostion for it to have only come from wolves.
As of now, I'm going with the only other posted plan: examine the silent players. (Ooooh look, bandwagoning again!)

BAAAAAAA

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Here, he completely loses his ****. Snapping at both PGB and me for expressing suspicion, and an overdose of armwaving about how he's "just looking for something that helps the cits".

All of this strung together (especially his last 4 posts) indicate highly to me that he is a wolf. He tries to keep his cool about being the lynch target, but as the round progresses and it looks more and more likely that he will in fact be lynched, he starts to lose composure (throwaway line about maybe switching targets). When someone else comes out strongly for lynching another target, he jumps on the opportunity and encourages everyone else to do the same (any cit can get behind, hope fellow citizenry will follow). Then, when suspicion falls back on him, he loses control (Oh look! Here I am bandwagoning again! Although really its just me trying to get behind ANYTHING that might be good for the citizens, (Ooooh look, bandwagoning again!).

I will come back later to post more about Our_Benefactors and revenger, I'm about to eat dinner. The post should come between 7:30 and 8:30 EST.

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O_B and revenger.
Like I said earlier, I think it likely one of these two are a wolf. While the other two wolves could have split up and taken different targets, I have a hard time believeing they wouldn't miss the chance to get a lynch on a player like Liq- and contributed one of their votes to the cause. I'll compare them.

Revenger- made only three posts, all in referential support of Liq's strategy, the last of which was march 12th. In between that time he must have been swayed from voting with Liq to voting against him (perhaps because of my post towards the end? I don't know for sure, but it seems likely). Overall he has been quiet, like last game. His behaviour has been largely typical.

Our_Benefactors- is talking *much* more frequently this game than last. Like revenger, he mostly supported Liq's strategy before changing track and going against him. What makes this more suspicious than revenger doing the same is that last round O_B shadowed Chuck the entire game- he voted exactly as he did. He started out doing something similar this round- following the biggest force in the room- but changed direction at the very end.

Both of these players are somewhat newcomers to the game, so both, if they were wolves, would take out the strongest players when possible. I would be undecided between the two were it not for O_B's out of character last-minute change, and his behaviour after the lynch itself and the GLE kill (confetti-throwing and immediately jumping on kood's idea). It's somewhat possible (but statistically unlikely) that they *both* are wolves, but if I had to choose between the two to vote for I'd choose O_B. This would tie in with the idea of there being a newer/nonveteran wolf player or two (or leader), and a newb/nonvet wolf would have an even harder time resisting the bait of a cit-geared lynch of Liq.

These are just my thoughts, if the citizenry disagrees then what can I do? But I for one do think one of the two are wolves and barring any truly game-changing posts will likely be voting for one of them this round; probably O_B.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Analysis: Here he jumps immediately on the Liq-strategy bandwagon. Possibly a wolf trying to keep his cool.

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Or, like I've repeatedly stated, like a citizen who thought that Liq had a good idea if everyone (minus wolves, of course) was on board.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Analysis: This is where things start getting interesting.
More easygoing compliance with Liq's strategy in a confetti-throwing (read: friendly) manner, but what I find most noteworthy is the throwaway line where he casually suggests he be the 4-vote pile and someone else get lynched instead- especially bookended as it is between the last post and the next one.

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Well, if there was someone who garnered more suspicion, in my eyes it would be more profitable for them to be in the 5-vote pile. (Seeing as how, like I said in that post, I AM a citizen. .) Of course I know that holds 0 weight to anyone but myself and 4 others, (MM and 3 wolves) but I felt I had to mention it.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Here he completely changes direction and throws all his support quite strongly behind my proposition. "hope all fellow citizenry will do as well". "seems like an idea any citizen would like".

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How is this remotely a change in direction from what I have been stating? You suggested a means to check Liq for sure: I agreed knowing it was necessary from the posts before yours, since several people had expressed suspicion of Liq as a wolf. I just wanted people to agree on what I see/saw [] as a good system. (Obviously, no one figured Liq was the seer. Not even the wolves, I don't think. More on this on a later post)

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Originally posted by Bugger:

Like revenger, he mostly supported Liq's strategy before changing track and going against him.

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Wait- what? I said I would follow Liq's plan, which called for ME VOTING LIQ. Which I did. If you meant something different by my "out of character last minute switch", please elaborate.

As for talking much more/less, I am attempting to find a happy medium. If the frequency of my posts is that much of a wolf indicator, I don't really know any possible way to argue against that. Either you believe me that I'm still trying out different levels of posting frequency or you don't.

And frankly- I'm SICK of people talking about how I shadowed PD. It was a COINCIDENCE. I was playing my own game, and we HAPPENED to vote the same. With 17 players, it is not terribly surprising that two of them had the same voting record for 3 rounds. If you go back and look, I believe I expressed that I might be voting person X before PD did at least once.

What is confetti throwing? Do you mean that I made a joke? Jeebus, you seem ready to latch onto every word that comes out of my mouth. A post like that, in my mind says this: "Crap." Which is more or less the same content that was in several other people's posts right after the seer lynch.

Also, let us pretend for a sec that Liq did get a R0 seer call. Would you also think it is reasonable to suspect ToL based on the circumstances? I thought that it was. I didn't realize there wasn't a R0 check, so I might as well delete that post, since it is no longer relevant. Except to incriminate me, somehow.

The thing is, I think Liq's whole "stupid" play, might not have been as stupid as we think it was. I think he did that on purpose to try and GET the ww's vote for him. I mean, it would be such great bait, Liq, one of our strongest players, throwing out an insane idea that makes him seem suspicious, so the ww's feel like they can justify lynching him.

Of course, I though GLE was a ww, and that idea is gone. I thought it was GLE, because he ought to know better than to vote for Liq while the seer is still alive. Liq, like PD, is a seer favorite and one of our power players, you don't want to lynch him if you can help it. But, GLE got eaten.

So, my list of suspicions is Bugger, OB and revenger, right now. We need to lynch those three first and foremorst. I'm SURE that one of those three is a ww. More than likely only 1 of them is a ww, but it's possible that two are.

Out of those three players, I see Bugger as the more suspicious. He waited until the last minute to vote for Liq, because he *could have been* waiting to see if we'd all go for Liq's idea, and when he saw we weren't, saw a way to get rid of two good players in one round. What Liq wanted him to see.

I'm voting for Bugger this round.

Thanks,
Jazaray

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Dammit Bugger, you posted pretty much what I was going to say. I was waiting for the ww kill to post, but it wasn't posted before I had to leave today.

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The thing is, I think Liq's whole "stupid" play, might not have been as stupid as we think it was. I think he did that on purpose to try and GET the ww's vote for him. I mean, it would be such great bait, Liq, one of our strongest players, throwing out an insane idea that makes him seem suspicious, so the ww's feel like they can justify lynching him.

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That's an idea, although I think the result is probably simply an unintended consequence. Liq deliberately getting himself lynched when he's the seer is just plain stupid. But the ends are probably the same.

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Of course, I though GLE was a ww, and that idea is gone. I thought it was GLE, because he ought to know better than to vote for Liq while the seer is still alive. Liq, like PD, is a seer favorite and one of our power players, you don't want to lynch him if you can help it. But, GLE got eaten.

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TBH, I was watching him too.

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So, my list of suspicions is Bugger, OB and revenger, right now. We need to lynch those three first and foremorst. I'm SURE that one of those three is a ww. More than likely only 1 of them is a ww, but it's possible that two are.

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I think it's highly likely that at least 1 wolf voted for Liq and 1 wolf deliberately (read: vocally indicated he would) did *not* vote for Liq (yes, PGB, I know that's tautological).

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Out of those three players, I see Bugger as the more suspicious.

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That's your perogative.

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He waited until the last minute to vote for Liq, because he *could have been* waiting to see if we'd all go for Liq's idea, and when he saw we weren't, saw a way to get rid of two good players in one round. What Liq wanted him to see.

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Three things:
1) That came out sounding really badass, but like I said I don't think Liq tried to sacrifice himself. He's not that irresponsible.
2) I know I can't empirically prove to you that I spent my entire saturday moving furniture in Coles Point, Virginia, but it's the truth and if my word isn't strong enough to get that across then so be it.
3) If you guys must, lynch me this round. Like I said I'm going to be limited in my internet access tomorrow and tuesday, so don't expect any eloquent defenses should I get a wagon on me . I know I'm a cit, and if you guys have to lynch me to figure that out, do so. I only ask that you take a closer look at the following posters when I'm dead and gone (these are my suspicions):
1) Our_Benefactors
2) Revenger
3) ThoughtsofLepers

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
Cue local radio station

**According to sources, some of the villagers have not been compliant with the newly ordered curfew. The local police have been rounding up stragglers and forcing them to head home. However, these same sources said that between the hours of 9 and 10 PM, there was yet another grizzly murder.**

Deputy Jones " We have instituted this curfew for your protection. Failure to comply can and will result in actions taken by local law enforcement. "

Kent Brockman, of WPGW(Pogglesworth radio station) " Officer Jones, there has been speculation of yet another death in the village limits"

Deputy Jones " Yes there has been another murder. All we know at this time is that the murder is similar to the one that occurred last week involving PD. We still have no suspects at this time."

Kent Brockman " Has the body been identified?"

Deputy Jones " The body is of another villager from this small town. His name was GottaLoveElves. Now please no more questions, the mayor will be briefed and we will have a press conference at that time. To the villagers of Pogglesworth; please obey this curfew until we have the killer, or killers in custody. That is all."

Villagers, your votes are due Tuesday night!

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Wait- what? I said I would follow Liq's plan, which called for ME VOTING LIQ. Which I did. If you meant something different by my "out of character last minute switch", please elaborate.

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Thank you for correcting me; I did not know that.

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As for talking much more/less, I am attempting to find a happy medium. If the frequency of my posts is that much of a wolf indicator, I don't really know any possible way to argue against that. Either you believe me that I'm still trying out different levels of posting frequency or you don't.

And frankly- I'm SICK of people talking about how I shadowed PD. It was a COINCIDENCE. I was playing my own game, and we HAPPENED to vote the same. With 17 players, it is not terribly surprising that two of them had the same voting record for 3 rounds. If you go back and look, I believe I expressed that I might be voting person X before PD did at least once.

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You're missing the point. It's not so much about your behaviour as it is the fact that you voted for Liq. Like I said, I'm a cit, and I've got two votes on me already (Jaz's and yours I assume). It's either you or revenger.

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What is confetti throwing? Do you mean that I made a joke?

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You made a comment in an attempt to be friendly.

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Jeebus, you seem ready to latch onto every word that comes out of my mouth. A post like that, in my mind says this: "Crap."

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Jeebus, you seem to be really losing your temper here.

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Which is more or less the same content that was in several other people's posts right after the seer lynch.

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Yes, but it's style over substance. Wolves have a tendency to try to be friendly.

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Also, let us pretend for a sec that Liq did get a R0 seer call.

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Okay.

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Would you also think it is reasonable to suspect ToL based on the circumstances?

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Uh, no, I wouldn't, and here are the reasons why:
-Liq had 16 people to choose from. Even if you give an equal probability to him checking any one person that's still a 1 in 16 chance that he would pick ToL. But seer scries are not random, and in this hypothetical scenario it's almost infinitely more likely he would scry someone like PD, PGB, GLE, or Jaz. Not an obscure newb. But I'll humor you.
-Furthermore, at that point all things were basically equal. Nobody had posted, so it could literally be equally likely that any 3 of the 16 were wolves. Assuming he scried Thoughts of Lepers, there's another slim chance he'd be a wolf. More than likely he'd be a cit. But I'll humor you some more yet.
-On top of that, there's the simple boneheadedness of gunning for a wolf like that round one. Sure it could be a coincidence, but Liq was the seer. He was probably on the wolves hit list anyways, and gunning right out the gates for a cit lynch would only turn heads further. Then he'd be gone.
So no, in short, it'd not be likely.

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I thought that it was. I didn't realize there wasn't a R0 check, so I might as well delete that post, since it is no longer relevant. Except to incriminate me, somehow.

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Did you mean to come across this melodramatic?

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EDIT: Also, when are votes due? Tuesday?

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I think they're due Wednesday, I'll double-check.

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It's not that I wouldn't take you at your word, normally, but this is ww and people's "words" mean nothing here. You'll tell us whatever you want to try and make us believe you aren't a ww (if you are). So, I hope you don't take offense that, no, I don't believe you. :P

I also agree with your thoughts on ToL. That post of GLE's that he pretty much copied bothered me as well.

Thanks,
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You're also being quite unfair about me voting for Liq. He freakin' asked me to vote for him. And I voted for him. Obviously, the counter argument here is "well, since you're a wolf you just LATCHED on to the chance to vote for him, scott-free". This is another non argument, since you can choose to view either path of action in whichever way you want to.

I don't understand your argument as to why, assuming both that Liq seered ToL and that ToL was a wolf, he would choose to NOT gun for ToL strong out of the gates. If his plan worked, and ToL was lynched+revealed as a wolf, it becomes far less relevant at that point whether or not Liq is nom'd, since his plan would already be in motion. I feel Liq likely knew his time was extremely short, and would want to play as strong as possible as early as possible.

I'm willing to admit that I was worked up in my last post. But even this is "in character" for me. (See WW6)

Bugger, you do not currently have my vote. Currently, I see you as an overly ambitious, I-Want-To-Fill-PD's shoes player. Your suspicion of me and revenger is currently very detrimental to us, as it allows anyone not caught in the middle of this to simply not post and evade any detection.

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Originally posted by Liq:
I feel its now time unveil my PD Strategy : Staggered Voting.

As I said before I feel the following 7 players are the most suspicious:

Bugger
Battle_of_Twits
GottaLoveElves
Thoughts of Lepers
fwybwed
PureGoblinBoy
MasterWolf

Now for my game winning strategy based off of PD's Data from previous rounds. I propose the following.

Players voting Thoughts of Lepers :
randon007
Jazaray
Liq
AlmasterGM
Bernek77

Players voting for Liq :
BernieB
koodkkslis
Our_Benefactors
revenger

What this does is not allow the Wolves to control us. I will suggest a 5/4 Staggered Vote for the next round. For Round 3 and 4, I suggest a 4/3 Staggered Vote.

1) If any player disrupts the plan, then that player is a wolf.

By either leaving the 5 pile or making the 4 pile larger or suggesting a 3rd pile equal or greater than the 5 pile, suggest that that player is looking to entrap the Seer. The only players interested in finding the Seer are the Wolves.

2) Since we're not allowing a split vote we hide the Seer.

The Seer's presence is important since the Angel has been eliminated. This strategy allows the Seer to hide within the ranks making it harder for the Wolves to find.

3) The two voter piles are also likely to contain a wolf or two.

I am not suggesting that all 3 wolves are in the 7 player suspicion list I posted. In round 4, the players within these two piles should be closely looked at. Especially if a wolf is found to be in the suspicion list.

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From this record, I did exactly what I was told to, against my better judgment. I switched my vote to Liq, but I did not realize someone else was going to switch their vote as well and go against this. I would definetly take a look at who was against this plan. I am not saying this as a way to defend this plan of liq's but you have to admit, the person(s) who went against this has to be suspicious in my book.

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Originally posted by revenger:
PD did this last game, so now I am thinking differently. The consensus plan if I recall.

Anyone else have thoughts on this? A good plan of Liq's or not to?

~Revenger

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I asked for thoughts, and I got them. Does it not make you wonder now this plan has been totally foiled, that is what the wolves wanted in the first place?

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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
We haven't lost anything yet. We've won this game plenty of times without the help of the seer. Everyone needs to stay active and keep on posting.

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I like this above statement, still have hope.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:
Actually I thought he had a good Idea, however when no one seemed like they were gonna go through with it I voted for the guy I found suspicious with his post.

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Am I the only one who thought this was a decent idea (although right before his death, I was even doubting it myself). I was actually thinking of PD last game, and this plan of Liq's was errily looking the same. But in the end, I went along with it. I seriously doubt I will be doing that again though. PD did it to last game when he was a wolf, and although Liq was not a wolf, I dislike now being strung along.

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Originally posted by Bugger:

O_B and revenger.
Like I said earlier, I think it likely one of these two are a wolf. While the other two wolves could have split up and taken different targets, I have a hard time believeing they wouldn't miss the chance to get a lynch on a player like Liq- and contributed one of their votes to the cause. I'll compare them.

Revenger- made only three posts, all in referential support of Liq's strategy, the last of which was march 12th. In between that time he must have been swayed from voting with Liq to voting against him (perhaps because of my post towards the end? I don't know for sure, but it seems likely). Overall he has been quiet, like last game. His behaviour has been largely typical.

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You need to recheck that. I was in the vote for Liq, I did change mine, but to go along with Liq's strat. I was voting randomly, untill I saw that I was in the pile of voting for Liq, so in the end, I did what I was supposed to do.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
That's an idea, although I think the result is probably simply an unintended consequence. Liq deliberately getting himself lynched when he's the seer is just plain stupid. But the ends are probably the same.

TBH, I was watching him too.

I think it's highly likely that at least 1 wolf voted for Liq and 1 wolf deliberately (read: vocally indicated he would) did *not* vote for Liq (yes, PGB, I know that's tautological).

That's your perogative.

Three things:
1) That came out sounding really badass, but like I said I don't think Liq tried to sacrifice himself. He's not that irresponsible.
2) I know I can't empirically prove to you that I spent my entire saturday moving furniture in Coles Point, Virginia, but it's the truth and if my word isn't strong enough to get that across then so be it.
3) If you guys must, lynch me this round. Like I said I'm going to be limited in my internet access tomorrow and tuesday, so don't expect any eloquent defenses should I get a wagon on me . I know I'm a cit, and if you guys have to lynch me to figure that out, do so. I only ask that you take a closer look at the following posters when I'm dead and gone (these are my suspicions):
1) Our_Benefactors
2) Revenger
3) ThoughtsofLepers

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I know I am a cit as well, but being suspicous of me or downright accusing me is 2 differnt scenarios. I post my suspicions, I do not declare my votes anymore (I have learned it helps the wolves to much, PD taught me that last game)

I did change my vote the first time around. Now, I am going with my gut feeling, and after reading and analyzing everything, I can choose a better choice than the first round selection I had with a better feeling.

Just my thoughts.

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