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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
**We interrupt this program to remind the citizens of Pogglesworth that their votes are due tonight.Get them in**

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Originally posted by koodkkslis:
If the populus believes in Liq's plan, you can all lynch me first, I know my role and will not be a significant loss.

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I think a lot of people are failing to understand how Liq's plan works. As far as I understand it, the point is not just to lynch random people who say they are citizens so that we know we aren't accidentally flushing out the seer. The point is to hide the seer from the wolves. Liq is attempting to do this by creating a set list of people who will be lynched in future rounds, and he is using his own play skill and logic to presume the seer is not in that initial list. This means the wolves will have to pick through the other list of players to find the seer without any giveaways to go on. Meanwhile, the seer has a narrowed down list of people to investigate, increasing the chances he will detect a wolf and decreasing the chances he will ping a citizen who will be lynched soon after. Is there a chance the plan will fail? Sure. But if we look to past games, there have been plenty of occasions where we lynch three citizens in a row and get absolutley nothing out of it, so a plan that MAY do that but will ALSO protect the seer seems like a good deal.

In addition, there are other benefits to the plan. For one, like Liq said, there is probably one wolf in the initial 7, meaning that we will be hiding the seer and potentially nabbing a wolf at the same time. Also, the pre-planned voting prevents the wolves from trying to manipulate us - something the wolves can do quite easily ESPECIALLY in the beginning when there isn't a whole lot of evidence to go around. Lastly, barring anything else good, there will be some nice piles for us to analyze.

So, for now at least, I'm going along with the plan. It's possible I completely misinterpreted it and that's not how it's supposed to work at all, but in my mind, it has those benefits, and those seem like pretty good ones to me ... because lets face it - when the seer dies without giving any information, the game goes majorly downhill. A plan that probably protects the seer and gives us a chance of getting a solid, 100% wolf bag is much stronger in my mind than random gut feeling suspicions or Amala's round 1 pick (no offense, Jazaray ) that are more likely than not incorrect.

I suggest those of you who go with Liq's plan understand that there is no type of strategy here, I did call this a strategy but its not foolproof. For all of you know, you may be lead around by a leash in the paws of a dog...liq is willing to put this new strategy to the test at the expense of 7 "possible" villagers.

Like I sed: Organized Randomness...he, nor I or any of you except a ww would now if any ww's an early poster. For all we know the seer is one of us. Look at the choice shred of PD...The ANGEL! They picked PD cuz of his play style Im sure not cuz of his name. And wow the Angel... 2 birds with one stone. Thats luck. Im hoping luck is with us on the "The 7"

I want to win, but not at this cost, these games have become some sort of play testing for the brains, to try and figure out a pure way to win this game, to break it. Im sure this is not what was to happen when this game came out on MOTL. I miss the days of accusations and suspicions..... the first round lynch was always random except for the one where one ww totally gave himself away...lol

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Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
If this is the direction that WW games are headed, I will not be participating in any future ones. The method of predetermined voting patterns goes entirely against spirit of the game. There is no skill. It's as Liq so succinctly put it, "plug and play that discourages any other players from doing any sort of work." Perhaps we should "consider 1 game suspension" for Liq bringing this up?

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I agree. Liq, if you're reading this, listen up. You're a good player. You're not God. You can't just skate by on your reputation alone and expect everyone to follow. I don't care how badly you broke mafia, this is werewolf. And it's not your personal game. Your seer-hiding strategy has several gaping issues and furthermore even the suggestion of it makes me question your role at all.
The seer-hiding program has several huge holes that, when people have pointed out to you, you've completely ignored. To wit:
-What if the seer is in one of the three to be lynched? "Putting yourself on the chopping block" next round wouldn't help, it'd just be another wasted round (if you're a cit).
-What if the seer is killed by the wolves? Then we've wasted one, two, or at maximum three rounds doing no wolf-hunting. What's your proposed address to the problem? You'll let us lynch you after the third round. How kind.
-What if the entire plan is a waste? By Round 3, there will be 10 players left. The seer will have scried, (assuming no wolf kills and seer scrys coincide) 3 people. What then? If the seer found a single wolf, hooray. We lynch it. Then what? We're in R5 with only 1 wolf lynched and no seer or angel. And if the seer doesn't find a wolf, your entire plan is for naught.
Furthermore there's the sheer hypocrisy of your criticising Chuck's "plug and play" WW style, and now you come out with your own "fill in the blank" strategy. Uh-uh.

But the more I look at it I realize there is one benefit of your plan. If we have the next three rounds plotted out beforehand, there's no need for discussion. No suspicion tables. No declarations. Whoever decided to kill PD did so most likely to stifle discussion and let the game skate by. What kind of wolf would do that? A smart wolf. A clever wolf. A wolf with a plan. A wolf who watched Mafia very closely and noted that the populace was dead meat when the the thread was silent.

I am switching my vote to Liq. Forget what I said earlier about my being uncomfortable with a lynch of him- if this is the kind of play we're going to get then the cits don't need him at all.

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**The brutal murder of PlasteredDragon earlier in the week has not set well in the small town of Pogglesworth.
In fact there seems to be a small uprising in the community.

Deputy Jones, earlier in the day: " We would like to remind everyone that this is a police matter and that we take this very seriously. Please do not take matters into your own hands."

**However later on that evening, a lynch mob seems to have formed in Pogglesworth Town Square. There is chaos afoot. The villagers are divided. They finally took off towards the south end of town. Another villager's life has been taken by an unidentified number of vigilantes. When the police finally arrived at the scene there was but a single body laying on the ground.

Deputy Jones " This is a very unfortunate incident and one we do not take lightly. All I will say at this time is that the victim, Liq, was no ordinary citizen. He was the one person who we brought in from the outside to try and help us identify the horrible perpetrators responsible for PD's killing. We have no further comment at this time.

**A 9 pm curfew has been issued for Pogglesworth at this time.**

Players ~ Their vote
Bugger ~ Liq (1)
ThoughtsofLepers ~ randon (1)
BernieB ~ Bernek (1)
koodkkslis ~ fwybwed (1)
Battle_of_Twits ~ kood (1)
randon ~ ThoughtsofLepers (1)
GottaLoveElves ~ Liq (2)
Liq ~ ThoughtsofLepers (2)
Our_Benefactors ~ Liq (3)
Jazaray ~ kood (2)
AlmasterGM ~ ThoughtsofLepers (3)
revenger ~ Liq (4)
MasterWolf ~ Jazaray (1)
Bernek ~ MasterWolf (1)
fwybwed ~ B_o_T (1)
PureGoblinBoy ~ randon (2)

Liq the seer has been lynched.

WW's your target please.

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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
This dead body would like to know the significance of the number after each voter's name... is it the number of votes they cast or something else?

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Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
You are the Seer.

I feel sorry for them.

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Originally posted by Liq:
Poor Villagers.

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I'll be launching into somewhat of a larger post when I have the time, I actually had to post to exclaim my surprise.

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Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Uh, when are signups for WW9?

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I think we need to look at the players that voted for Liq. One of them was probably a wolf bandwagoning with the anti-Liq crowd.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
I agree. Liq, if you're reading this, listen up. You're a good player. You're not God. You can't just skate by on your reputation alone and expect everyone to follow. I don't care how badly you broke mafia, this is werewolf. And it's not your personal game. Your seer-hiding strategy has several gaping issues and furthermore even the suggestion of it makes me question your role at all.
The seer-hiding program has several huge holes that, when people have pointed out to you, you've completely ignored. To wit:
-What if the seer is in one of the three to be lynched? "Putting yourself on the chopping block" next round wouldn't help, it'd just be another wasted round (if you're a cit).
-What if the seer is killed by the wolves? Then we've wasted one, two, or at maximum three rounds doing no wolf-hunting. What's your proposed address to the problem? You'll let us lynch you after the third round. How kind.
-What if the entire plan is a waste? By Round 3, there will be 10 players left. The seer will have scried, (assuming no wolf kills and seer scrys coincide) 3 people. What then? If the seer found a single wolf, hooray. We lynch it. Then what? We're in R5 with only 1 wolf lynched and no seer or angel. And if the seer doesn't find a wolf, your entire plan is for naught.
Furthermore there's the sheer hypocrisy of your criticising Chuck's "plug and play" WW style, and now you come out with your own "fill in the blank" strategy. Uh-uh.

But the more I look at it I realize there is one benefit of your plan. If we have the next three rounds plotted out beforehand, there's no need for discussion. No suspicion tables. No declarations. Whoever decided to kill PD did so most likely to stifle discussion and let the game skate by. What kind of wolf would do that? A smart wolf. A clever wolf. A wolf with a plan. A wolf who watched Mafia very closely and noted that the populace was dead meat when the the thread was silent.

I am switching my vote to Liq. Forget what I said earlier about my being uncomfortable with a lynch of him- if this is the kind of play we're going to get then the cits don't need him at all.

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Bugger's last minute post expressing his anti-Liq sentiment seems pretty genuine. He brings up several issues with Liq's plan that make sense. I would say he's a cit.

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Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
Garbage. I sincerely hope that this is either a drawing tactic or a wolf tactic, because if you're serious about that, there are some huge issues. I neglect to see how the seer is "protected" unless none of the players on your list ever post and thus don't catch the wolves' eye.
Meanwhile, Jaz has already mentioned that nothing protects the seer from coming on the chopping block.

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GLE seems to have voted for Liq because he didn't agree with his strategy. This seems a little fishy; as I had said earlier I didn't agree with his strategy but I wasn't going to vote for him because of that. I guess if you thought he was a wolf attempting to lead the cits then it's okay to vote for him, but with all the anti-Liq sentiment going around, it didn't seem like he was going to sway the crowd like PD did last game.

O_B and Revenger both voted for Liq according to his plan. Revenger talked a bit about Liq's strategy, throwing it around to get other people's opinions, but O_B hasn't posted much other than to follow Liq's plan. He's maybe trying to stay under the radar.

Suspicion list from these 4 (highest to lowest)
O_B
Revenger
GLE
Bugger

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Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits:

O_B and Revenger both voted for Liq according to his plan. Revenger talked a bit about Liq's strategy, throwing it around to get other people's opinions, but O_B hasn't posted much other than to follow Liq's plan. He's maybe trying to stay under the radar.

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It's worth noting that O_B had the same strategy last round- that is, following a stronger player.

Speaking of shadowing stronger players, Bernek seemed pretty compliant with Liq's plan as well.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
It's worth noting that O_B had the same strategy last round- that is, following a stronger player.

Speaking of shadowing stronger players, Bernek seemed pretty compliant with Liq's plan as well.

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Actually I thought he had a good Idea, however when no one seemed like they were gonna go through with it I voted for the guy I found suspicious with his post.

I like how how just try to throw people under the bus. I hope it's on count of what has transpired so far. Because there is really no reason to bring my name up as of right now.

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Originally posted by Bernek77:

I like how how just try to throw people under the bus. I hope it's on count of what has transpired so far.

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No, it's because I secretly hate you . Of course it's because of what's happened so far this game.

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Because there is really no reason to bring my name up as of right now.

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Yes, there is. I've been keeping an eye on you so far also, and I want to see how you respond to what you'd see as a direct accusation.
It's also worth noting that I have no bus to throw you under. We're not in the same boat here. Had you and I voted for the same person, or had something else in common with our behaviour for this first round, then I would be throwing you under the bus. I think you meant "called out", but I didn't even do that.
Speaking of throwing under buses though, where have I done that before? What in my behaviour (this game or last) makes you think I have a habit of doing so?

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