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Our_Benefactors
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posted April 05, 2009 06:55 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Our_Benefactors Click Here to Email Our_Benefactors Send a private message to Our_Benefactors Click to send Our_Benefactors an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Currently inclined to vote revenger due to his extreme hostility, but I'm not going to place my vote until tonight. I'm still sick with pinkeye/sinus infection (yay!) so I'll try to make a somewhat substatial post later today.
 
Liq
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posted April 05, 2009 09:16 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Liq Click Here to Email Liq Send a private message to Liq Click to send Liq an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
I still feel somewhat iffy about my vote for ToL however, and may switch to XRKon.

Suspicious.

Again for Reference.

quote:
    Liq's Playbook

    Werewolf 101 :
     

  1. There is always someone smarter than you.

    Its not going to be you who finishes the game nor finds those with special roles. You may find one but that does not mean you will find the others. Leave any and all information for them to piece together considering that your logic may and will likely fail.

  2. Everyone is suspicious unless you can prove they're not.

    If you are not suspicious of anyone from the get go, you are not likely to ever find one that is. Trust is something you must earn and what others must earn. You must never, ever trust anyone who you can not prove without a shadow of a doubt is worthy of such trust. Reconsider everything at the start of every round, you may and have likely missed something.

  3. Death is not to be feared but embraced.

    Being killed or lynched is not something to be avoided. Play as if this will be your last round of play. Don't hide anything that you feel is important to say. Make sure that those who still remain playing understand what you were trying to convey. You win when your team does.

    When dead take the time to reconsider everything. You missed something that got you killed or it was your style that got you killed. Follow the game as if you were on both sides as if you had no bias for who wins. Consider every move a Wolf Move and then step back and consider it a Villager move. At the end of the game, reread the entire thing and see how every special role was played out.

  4. Experience only matters if it is applied.

    Experience does not automatically lead to greatness. The number of games one has played does not matter if they continue to make mistakes that lead to the downfall of their teammates. Each player generally evolves their playstyle. This means that while a player may have played 20 or so games, it does not mean they will be invaluable to this game just that they will not be likely to make similar mistakes as they did in their first few games.

  5. Information is only as good as the player who uses it.

    Data comes in different forms in Werewolf. Wolves use it to find the Seer. Villagers to find Wolves. Seer gains knowledge on the players. Posts, Suspicions, Votes and other things are all good to know but if you don't double check or consider that the numbers may be off, then that piece of information is worthless to you. Each player has their own agenda when it comes to numbers. That agenda may not agree with you. As a player you must consider any information suspect unless you absolutely trust the player behind it.


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Bugger
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quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
Suspicious.

Again for Reference.


glad to see you're so humble.

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PlasteredDragon
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Day 3 Post 1:
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
Meh. I was wrong on the game but not in the way that I played it, eh?

It's true I complimented you at the end of the game, and funny that you went to the trouble to dig that up, and a little sad that I half expected you to do so. The fact that I complimented your play doesn't address the point that it was a team effort (e.g. you didn't nail wolf #2, hilikuS baited the wolves into wasting a kill by hinting he might be the seer, etc.) In short, it isn't all about you. I was mightily put off by your utterly immodest response to that compliment when I made it--too much ego, not enough graciousness. You may be a great player, but I'm fairly certain that overconfidence is not a winning strategy.

Now on to some "serious business".

quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
(speaking to TOL): If you get lynched, chances are that there was a wolf voting for you. Dissect what has been said and consider everything.

Thank you for spelling out to TOL (and the wolves) an important part of what I didn't want to say until AFTER the wolves had already placed their votes. Please don't spell out the rest of it. This uncautious behavior is suspicious to me.
quote:
Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Currently inclined to vote revenger due to his extreme hostility, but I'm not going to place my vote until tonight. I'm still sick with pinkeye/sinus infection (yay!) so I'll try to make a somewhat substatial post later today.

Sorry to hear you are sick. Rev's defensiveness isn't necessarily a good indicator. A lot of players get defensive from time to time--if unjustly accused, there is a visceral response that is hard to manage. I might expect a hostile response from a player that is (a) emotional, (b) new, (c) not a good player, or some combination of those. I continue to suspect rev for being silent (a little less now that he's posted some) but his hostile response is (upon reflection) not so baffling. He doesn't understand the tracking process and likened it to "cheating" the other day--it's no surprise he might react in a hostile fashion to suspicions from me because he knows I'm the guy running the tracker*. So I find his outburst somewhat suspicious, but not very.

*: For the record, I have shared the tracker with 3 other players (Caitiri, Bugger, and Jaz), of whom two are in this game. Bugger was never trained on it so he's probably not using it, Cait was trained but isn't playing, but Jaz has been trained and I know she is actively using the tracker to follow this game because she's asked me questions from time to time on how to record game events. So there are at least 2 people tracking this game with the tracker.

quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
glad to see you're so humble.

quote:
A reading from the Book of Liq, Chapter One, Verses 1 to 5:
1: Let it be remembered that there is always a player smarter than thee, and His name is Liq.

2: Trust not thy fellow players, for it surely hath occurred to none but Liq that any player may yea and verily be of wolven claw and tooth.

3: Embraceth thee thy death as it may aideth Liq in separating the wolves from the sheep, even when thou art unjustly accused by He -- takest thou solace in being part of His divine plan. Remember this always, and slappest thou thine own face with a one cubit plank when thou recitest it: pie Liq domine, dona eis requiem.

4: Remembereth always that he who doth not learn from his experience as Liq hath, he is not great, and he that hath by Liq's example learned from his experience may yet be great, but not as great as Liq.

5: The value of wisdom offered up to Liq is only as worthy as He deemeth the player making the offering. Trust not the weights and measures of mere men, that thou mayest avoid folly.

Blessed be the word of Liq. Amen.


As of now my vote is still on TOL. Some of his replies (already singled out by other players) seem a little off to me. I am not committed to this vote and may still change it later--I will probably declare if I switch.

I also suspect revenger, mostly for being quiet, and somewhat for his outburst.

I suspect XRKon for being quiet.

I suspect Liq for not being cautious. (I am not voting for him nor am I advocating a vote for him--his nature is a job for the seer.)

I also noticed that PGB has posted twice this round, but managed not to say anything substantive at all. This surprises me. Hopefully he will have something of substance to offer before the end of day phase. As of yet I don't suspect him, but it has caught my attention.

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[Edited 2 times, lastly by PlasteredDragon on April 05, 2009]

 
BernieB
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I have placed my vote for ToL.
 
Liq
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posted April 05, 2009 11:11 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for Liq Click Here to Email Liq Send a private message to Liq Click to send Liq an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
(speaking to TOL): If you get lynched, chances are that there was a wolf voting for you. Dissect what has been said and consider everything.

quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Thank you for spelling out to TOL (and the wolves) an important part of what I didn't want to say until AFTER the wolves had already placed their votes. Please don't spell out the rest of it. This uncautious behavior is suspicious to me.

I suspect Liq for not being cautious. (I am not voting for him nor am I advocating a vote for him--his nature is a job for the seer.)


It's general information any average player should know. Spelling it out doesn't change a thing considering it was the end of Day 2 of Round 1 leaving 1 more day for discussion (and voting).

Spell out the rest of it? sure.

Day 3 is voting day. Expect a wolf or two to come out to mold your votes or establish their alibis.

Anyone who tries to sway votes in another direction is suspicious as is anyone who strongly advocates this vote.

Everything else is play style and post style. Everyone has their niches and habits. Determining how much variance they are going with allows an easy determination of their stance. Its enough to trip up the average level wolf player.

~ * ~

I'm not sure if that's everything you didn't want me to say but I've never been a player who likes to hide things much less side with caution.

You, PD, can be as cautious as you want. I on the other hand will let everyone know what is going through my head so that they can determine where I stand so that when I need to force through my opinion, they know if they can trust me. It's standard Liq play style.

quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
As of now my vote is still on TOL. Some of his replies (already singled out by other players) seem a little off to me. I am not committed to this vote and may still change it later--I will probably declare if I switch.

I also suspect revenger, mostly for being quiet, and somewhat for his outburst.

I suspect XRKon for being quiet.

I suspect Liq for not being cautious. (I am not voting for him nor am I advocating a vote for him--his nature is a job for the seer.)

I also noticed that PGB has posted twice this round, but managed not to say anything substantive at all. This surprises me. Hopefully he will have something of substance to offer before the end of day phase. As of yet I don't suspect him, but it has caught my attention.


If ToL turns out to be a villager, I'd suspect give PD 50% chance of being wolf. If he ends up being a wolf, then 60%.

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AlmasterGM
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posted April 05, 2009 11:14 AM   Click Here to See the Profile for AlmasterGM Send a private message to AlmasterGM Click to send AlmasterGM an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
I'm very interested in knowing how you so suddenly managed to defend yourself so competently. My suspicions of you are climbing.

I'm getting tired of seeing this "Defensive playing = Guilt" fallacy. People employ it constantly and it is just stupid. Of course if you are attacked you should defend yourself, and obviously you should try and make said defense as solid as possible. If no one defended themselves, this game would quickly grind to a halt. Despite this, though, things are rapidly getting where the best defense against attacks seems to be either a) just ignore them completely or b) post one response, then go to option a. If you don't employ either of these options and instead choose to post a thorough defense, you incur the wrath of the fallacy and all the indicts that come along with it. This whole argument is designed to get people to shut up. It's terrible and needs to stop now.

quote:
Originally posted by Montague:

See TOL, that is how you defend yourself. Well put together. I am probally still going to vote for you, but nonetheless it was a good defense.

Quoted for LOL. A perfect example of the conscious choice to ignore logic and vote because someone was "defensive" (the fallacy) or because they had a "gut feeling."

[Edited 1 times, lastly by AlmasterGM on April 05, 2009]

 
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That's a lot of discussion, I am not sure on who to vote for but I will peruse these threads later on tonight and send in my vote.

Guess that means back to studying for my midterm tomorrow....

 
Bugger
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I can't type it up now due to time constraints, but expect a fairly large post a bit later in the afternoon.

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PlasteredDragon
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posted April 05, 2009 01:39 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for PlasteredDragon Click Here to Email PlasteredDragon Send a private message to PlasteredDragon Click to send PlasteredDragon an Instant MessageVisit PlasteredDragon's Homepage  Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
Day 3 Post 2:

quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
It's general information any average player should know...

TOL apparently didn't know, and you seem to think he is a wolf. Maybe the other wolves didn't know either. So nice of you to help them out.
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
...Spelling it out doesn't change a thing considering it was the end of Day 2 of Round 1 leaving 1 more day for discussion (and voting)...

Sure it does. Now that you've gone on to spell out that wolves may try to sway votes at this point (either one way or another) you've essentially warned the wolves not to do so. Fortunately you apparently missed what I was thinking of, so it's possible it may still pay off.
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
...but I've never been a player who likes to hide things much less side with caution.

You, PD, can be as cautious as you want. I on the other hand will let everyone know what is going through my head so that they can determine where I stand so that when I need to force through my opinion, they know if they can trust me. It's standard Liq play style...


Bah. Standard Liq play style is to be as opaque as possible and let people hang themselves trying to figure out what you are trying to say. I've watched enough games with you at this point to know this. There's evidence for it in this very thread, for example, quoting a huge block of text and merely saying "suspicious". If you aren't going to explain *why* something is supicious you aren't sharing "everything going through your head."
quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
If ToL turns out to be a villager, I'd suspect give PD 50% chance of being wolf. If he ends up being a wolf, then 60%.

50%? 60%? Based on what, your gut? The base likelihood that I am a wolf is about 19%. The minimum you are according me is about three times that--that's a stupendous estimate--I'm THREE times as likely to be a wolf than anyone else in your estimation? Talk about overconfidence! Why the heck aren't you voting for me then? You voted for TOL based on nothing at all--you simply wanted to see what happened, and the reaction you got has led you to think you've bagged a wolf (presumably). So if I am 50% or 60% (call it 55%) and you aren't voting me, what's TOL? FOUR times as likely to be a wolf?

Whatever. You've been wrong before, you're wrong about me this time, and you'll be wrong again in the future. I count 5 WW games in which you played as a cit and cast a vote in R1. You were right twice (WW2, WW4) and wrong three times (WW3, WW6, WW8). In the meantime you're a distraction. The seer will check you, so I really have to just train myself to ignore your inscrutable posts until such time as you choose to post something straightforward and well explained.

Your spelling out strategies of what we might learn from what the wolves do next is basically warning the wolves. The only reasons I can think of doing that are either you are an exceptionally bad player, very overconfident, or you are a wolf. I think we can definitively dispense with the bad player option. It's plausible that you might be overconfident to the point that you might warn the wolves of traps they might step in counting on your prowess to catch them anyway--that doesn't really seem out of character for you. Or you could just be a wolf. This is a question the seer will answer, so for now I'm not going to dwell on it. You're on my suspect list... perennially so, it seems.

quote:
Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
I'm getting tired of seeing this "Defensive playing = Guilt" fallacy...

In principle, AGM, I agree with you. But in the two cases you cited, neither player was accusing TOL for being defensive. Bugger felt TOL's defensive post was so well constructed, he doubted TOL had written it himself (at least that's what he implied)--the issue wasn't TOL defending himself, it was Bugger's perception of a sudden improvement in the quality of TOL's argument. Monty's post likewise complimented TOL for the quality of his argument... the gist I got from it was "that's a much better argument TOL, but I still suspect you." So neither of them seems to be accusing TOL because he is being defensive.
quote:
Originally posted by XplicitR:
...Guess that means back to studying for my midterm tomorrow...

Hmph. I am vaguely reminded of Randon's WW4 post: "I don't have time for these thoughts. I have to trade." Eh. Maybe not, it's a bit of a stretch. Good luck on your midterms XP.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by PlasteredDragon on April 05, 2009]

 
Thanos
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I am voting for TOL.
 
Bugger
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Most of what I was going to address got sarnath'd by Chuck .

quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
*: For the record, I have shared the tracker with 3 other players (Caitiri, Bugger, and Jaz), of whom two are in this game. Bugger was never trained on it so he's probably not using it, Cait was trained but isn't playing, but Jaz has been trained and I know she is actively using the tracker to follow this game because she's asked me questions from time to time on how to record game events. So there are at least 2 people tracking this game with the tracker.

The man speaks truth. I have the 'software' (or whatever the proper name for it is) in a zipped folder on my desktop, but I haven't had the time to devote to figuring out how to use it. For at least this game then I'm just working with pencil and paper and handmade graphs (which works out in my favor anyway, I suppose- I've discovered I learn best by writing). ANYhow.

quote:
Originally posted by Liq:
It's general information any average player should know. Spelling it out doesn't change a thing considering it was the end of Day 2 of Round 1 leaving 1 more day for discussion (and voting).

So you're failing to ackgnowledge that the wolves could be less than average players?

quote:
Spell out the rest of it? sure.

Day 3 is voting day. Expect a wolf or two to come out to mold your votes or establish their alibis.

Anyone who tries to sway votes in another direction is suspicious as is anyone who strongly advocates this vote.

Everything else is play style and post style. Everyone has their niches and habits. Determining how much variance they are going with allows an easy determination of their stance. Its enough to trip up the average level wolf player.


Wow, this was a dickish thing of you to do. Either you're simply doing this to be belligerent, or you're doing it to try and give yourself more of a challenge- either way, still a dickish thing to do.

Look, irrespective of whether or not the wolves are average players or not, you've given them a strict advantage because now they know what NOT to do. We can't confirm now whether they intended to do the things you just enumerated or not before you did so, but now that you have we know they can't.

...Actually, strike the previous paragraph. I still believe it was a dickish move, but a dickishly brilliant one (also, please don't spell out what about it was clever- I know your ego is big enough already, could you save it for the aftergame or at least until night phase?).

quote:

I'm not sure if that's everything you didn't want me to say but I've never been a player who likes to hide things much less side with caution.

Now, as Chuck said, this is bs. If literally all you have running through your head is "suspicious" (as your usual posts indicate) then it's a true mystery how you manage to be even a competent player.

quote:

You, PD, can be as cautious as you want. I on the other hand will let everyone know what is going through my head so that they can determine where I stand so that when I need to force through my opinion, they know if they can trust me. It's standard Liq play style.

So you mean you'll quit it with the "Suspicious suspicious suspicious suspicious" posts?

quote:

If ToL turns out to be a villager, I'd suspect give PD 50% chance of being wolf. If he ends up being a wolf, then 60%.

I really hope this isn't a post intended at face value, because if it is it's a staggeringly stupid thing to say.
I was a wolf with Chuck one game, so I'd like to think I know what I'm talking about (although, I'm only a mortal, so His Majesty will likely disregard my opinion).

As anyone who has played or even followed a game of Werewolf knows, Chuck is one of those people the seer just can't get enough of. If he isn't killed he's seered and if he isn't seered he's lynched. Thus you can imagine the kind of problems that entails when he's a member of the wolfpack- unless you find the seer quickly, he's essentially a dead man walking. We had the same problem WW7. Thus, if ToL is a wolf I find it far less likely that Chuck is a wolf as well, simply becuase it's too risky. Some might raise the idea of a double-bluff scenario, but pulling from my own experience I'd have to say that'd be basically handing the cits the game. As it is he's going to get seered soon anyway for edging closer to the center stage of the thread's focus. No, if Chuck were a wolf (and ToL was too) I'd say almost for certain that the third wolf would be in the pile throwing ToL under the bus, while ToL would be sure to throw in some distrust of Chuck to try and buy some time for the then remaining two wolves to find the seer.

In short: Liq's percentages are totally erroneous.

quote:
Originally posted by AlmasterGM:
I'm getting tired of seeing this "Defensive playing = Guilt" fallacy. People employ it constantly and it is just stupid. Of course if you are attacked you should defend yourself, and obviously you should try and make said defense as solid as possible. If no one defended themselves, this game would quickly grind to a halt. Despite this, though, things are rapidly getting where the best defense against attacks seems to be either a) just ignore them completely or b) post one response, then go to option a. If you don't employ either of these options and instead choose to post a thorough defense, you incur the wrath of the fallacy and all the indicts that come along with it. This whole argument is designed to get people to shut up. It's terrible and needs to stop now.

You may recall that back in R3 of last game, I posted my suspicions of revenger and one of the largest points in my case was that starting round three, he no longer sounded like revenger. I'll indulge in a little Liq-esque ego-stroking here (just as forewarning), and I apologize in advance for the arrogance: Probably the biggest strength I have lies in reading comprehension. Also, I have a habit of thinking in textures, colors and shapes. Each external object has its own one of those three- especially people's voices. The voice I'd come to recognize as revenger's (if you were wondering, I think of it as something like a large bluff of granite) was totally gone- in retrospect, it most closely resembled yours.
The ThoughtsofLepers voice I've recognized (bright yellow, and shaped like an egg yolk, again in case you were wondering) is not the voice I see in his latest posts defending himself. The difference is much subtler than the revenger change (which was practically a giant neon sign), but something still feels off about it. I realize that a lot of what I've just said probably doesn't make much sense to anyone here, so I'll try and explain it a little better:

The ThoughtsofLepers defense that I've classified as "normal" is much like his normal 'voice'- sunny, light, and laid-back. With his most recent responses, I'm sensing something much different. He's trying to play on emotions (by bringing up my frustration at the fwy lynch R2 last game), he's extensively quoting and employing a method of reasoning that strongly evokes stepping back and looking at everything objectively. He's defending himself like an experienced player would, and the few times he returns to his normal voice it sounds far too forced and insincere. To summarize an obscenely long explanation: I feel quite strongly he's having another player guiding him. The problem is that the voice he's mixing with (from what I can tell) is not one I can identify right away. It's like listening to two songs being played at the same time, and one of them isn't one you're familiar with so you can't figure out where you've heard it before.

Of course, I could be completely wrong about all that, and what tripped my wire could easily be the same molding process that all newbs go through until they develop their own voice. I simply think it's more likely that I'm right.

/psychobabble bloviating. Sorry for the unnessecary length.

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Werewolf record:
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As Cit: 0-1

 
PlasteredDragon
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Day 3 Post 3:

Okay, the TOL pile is getting huge... it's up to 7 posts right now and probably will grow further. Though I do have some suspicion of TOL, from a piles perspective I'm concerned about the pile getting so large it may be hard to whittle it down later in the game when we are looking for wolves.

It looks pretty likely TOL is going to get lynched, so even though I suspect him I'm going to remove myself from that pile to try and make things easier if we decide to whittle it down later.

Suspicious. <-- saving Liq the trouble, since he suspects pretty much everything I do.

Other players I suspect are revenger, Liq, XRKon, and also Thanos (for playing silently.) At this point XRKon is the most silent player having posted once, and not having referred to any players. But he did float a theory about the wolf kill. So I suspect him a little less because of that. Revenger did post a bit once called out, well he went a little bonkers, but that is believable play coming from him. I still suspect him too. I suspect Liq, but there is no sense in voting Liq. He's the seer's problem, not mine.

So I think at this point I am probably going to vote Thanos. He's been very silent and his only posts haven't added much to the discussion. I sincerely doubt any sort of a wagon will form on Thanos, and my suspicions of him are pretty minor, but it's better than a shot in the dark.

Suspicious. <-- got you covered, Liq.

It's my wife's birthday today so I am taking her out to dinner. Probably won't be able to get back on until after the vote. Talk to you guys then.

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Bugger
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quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:

It's my wife's birthday today so I am taking her out to dinner. Probably won't be able to get back on until after the vote. Talk to you guys then.


Suspicious.

Also: ^Suspicious.

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quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Day 3 Post 3:

Okay, the TOL pile is getting huge... it's up to 7 posts right now and probably will grow further. Though I do have some suspicion of TOL, from a piles perspective I'm concerned about the pile getting so large it may be hard to whittle it down later in the game when we are looking for wolves.

It looks pretty likely TOL is going to get lynched, so even though I suspect him I'm going to remove myself from that pile to try and make things easier if we decide to whittle it down later.

Suspicious. <-- saving Liq the trouble, since he suspects pretty much everything I do.

Other players I suspect are revenger, Liq, XRKon, and also Thanos (for playing silently.) At this point XRKon is the most silent player having posted once, and not having referred to any players. But he did float a theory about the wolf kill. So I suspect him a little less because of that. Revenger did post a bit once called out, well he went a little bonkers, but that is believable play coming from him. I still suspect him too. I suspect Liq, but there is no sense in voting Liq. He's the seer's problem, not mine.

So I think at this point I am probably going to vote Thanos. He's been very silent and his only posts haven't added much to the discussion. I sincerely doubt any sort of a wagon will form on Thanos, and my suspicions of him are pretty minor, but it's better than a shot in the dark.

Suspicious. <-- got you covered, Liq.

It's my wife's birthday today so I am taking her out to dinner. Probably won't be able to get back on until after the vote. Talk to you guys then.


Have fun PD, and thanks I had to miss the PTQ in Rochestor today because I had to study for this stupid midterm

So far I am only suspicious of revenger. So just in case I don't come back in time to vote, I will send in my vote now.

Hopefully see you guys after the lynch and wolf kill.

 
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I implore everyone to not lynch me this round. Put me in your "Caught Wolves: To Be Exterminated Next Round" folder if you wish (Though this is not the folder I belong in).

Consider that if I'm a wolf, the damage I can do between R1 and R2 is negligible at best. Use this round to lynch another suspect and save me for R2 if I can't convince you of my citizenry by that time.

And if we're lucky, its possible that we could hit a wolf this round, and that I wouldn't survive the kill. In which case, the R2 lynch wouldn't even have to be wasted on me, and we would, in effect, gain an extra round.

This is my last plea to the citizenry: You're lynching the wrong person.

@PD
As far as I have seen, Thanos always plays silent, and is therefore not the current subject of my suspicion.

I have sent my vote in for revenger

 
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Still missing some votes, where are they?

~MM
Edit:
Standings have been updated.
Last rounds M.V.P's were Bugger and revenger.
Sorry for the delay, but great job you two!

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quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
I implore everyone to not lynch me this round. Put me in your "Caught Wolves: To Be Exterminated Next Round" folder if you wish (Though this is not the folder I belong in).

Consider that if I'm a wolf, the damage I can do between R1 and R2 is negligible at best. Use this round to lynch another suspect and save me for R2 if I can't convince you of my citizenry by that time.

And if we're lucky, its possible that we could hit a wolf this round, and that I wouldn't survive the kill. In which case, the R2 lynch wouldn't even have to be wasted on me, and we would, in effect, gain an extra round.

This is my last plea to the citizenry: You're lynching the wrong person.

@PD
As far as I have seen, Thanos always plays silent, and is therefore not the current subject of my suspicion.

I have sent my vote in for revenger


Wow, I defend myself once, and I will admit I am to emotionally at times, for that I do apologize. But, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt ToL. I saw your earlier posts like how I use to post. But this one takes the cake. Screaming DO NOT LYNCH me imo is an attempt to save your furry hide. Sorry, but I do not bite. True there are alot of votes against you already, so one more will not make much a difference I think.

I am actually going on record I am switching my vote (again) and not for retalitory(sp) reasons this time to you. I do not normally decalre my votes, but this time I think I will. Sorry ToL, I thought you were doing pretty decent until this post.

Voting switched to ThoughtofLepers

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Voting revenger this round, but mainly because I don't want to see my vote wasted.
 
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Player ~ Their vote

Our_Benefactors ~ revenger (1)
PGB ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (1)
fwybwed ~ BernieB (1)
Jazaray ~ fwybwed (1)
PlasteredDragon ~ Thanos (1)
BernieB ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (2)
Thanos ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (3)
Bugger ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (4)
Liq ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (5)
revenger ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (6)
AlmasterGM ~ revenger (2)
XRKon ~ NONE
XplicitR ~ revenger (3)
T_o_L ~ revenger (4)
GLE ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (7)
Montague ~ ThoughtsOfLepers (8)

Something about these last couple of games where you guys don't want the seer to play.

WW's an Angel, your names please.

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Well, sorry cits. I tried. I fought Tooth and Nail but my Defense of the Heart just wasn't good enough, and my Mystic Speculation was Cancelled. (If only I could buy it back for 2) Sup Meddling Mage?

(dies)

"The truth is you could slit my throat and with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt"

:P

[Edited 1 times, lastly by ThoughtsofLepers on April 05, 2009]

 
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That blows...
 
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quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
Well, sorry cits. I tried. I fought Tooth and Nail but my Defense of the Heart just wasn't good enough, and my Mystic Speculation was Cancelled. Sup Meddling Mage?

(dies)

"The truth is you could slit my throat and with my one last gasping breath I'd apologize for bleeding on your shirt"

:P


**** **** ****. That's what I was afraid of. ToP's last post completely SCREAMED "I am a seer/angel" but I thought it was a double bluff. Agh, I should have switched!

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bugger on April 05, 2009]

 
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That sucks.

Eventually he will learn to be more careful about what he types in this thread.

Edit: I was going to edit my post where bugger said his post screamed angel/seer and that he switched, but he edited his post first.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Montague on April 05, 2009]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Montague:
That sucks.

Eventually he will learn to be more careful about what he types in this thread.

Edit: I was going to edit my post where bugger said his post screamed angel/seer and that he switched, but he edited his post first.


That's true. I voted ToL, then switched to XRKon, then like 10 minutes later changed back. MM can verify this. I'd completely forgotten I had changed back. Sorry.

Good of you to call me on that though, Montague.

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