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Topic: Werewolf 9: The quest for vengeance.
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Bugger
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posted April 04, 2009 05:07 PM
      
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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
@Bugger I find the post tally to be helpful for myself. That's why I asked Bernek to post it last game, when I couldn't due to dial-up issues. If it helps the other cits, that's great (hence why I posted it), but the tally is mainly for myself, and posting it now makes it easier to do later, if post-count comes into question. I believe I said at the end of last game I would be doing more analyzing.By 'loud wolf' I meant an obvious one. IMO, posting calling for the wolves to post and screw up (Which I did w/o thinking of how it would be interpreted, since as a citizen, I'm not too worried about editing my posts or being careful of what I say, other than that which might help the wolves) I still have no reason to be suspicious of anyone in particular so I can't point the finger at someone, attempting to save myself, but, seriously, there are at least 3 better lynches than myself. Bugger, if you vote to lynch me, (assuming you are a citizen) you will feel just as bad about it as you did by lynching fwyb last round, with the difference being, that this early in the game, lynching a cit is not as big of a deal as lynching one later. Are you that much more sure of me being a wolf than you were fwyb last round? Sigh. I think its funny that I am so hardcore on the defensive like this (Why am I so hardcore on the defensive, you ask? Because I want to win and lynching me is a wasted round. If I have any chance of convincing anyone of that, I have to take it. If you'll assume I'm a cit, I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from there.) based off of a quote that makes perfect sense for me to make, given how last game went. And as PD said, it's even in-character for me. If anyone DIDN'T see WW8, I suggest reading R1 (starts here: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016416-3.html) and then telling me how much like a wolf I come off as. (I'd say - and so did several others - that I came out of that round looking pretty damn suspicious, saying the same types of things I'm suspected for now, and I was a cit) Hopefully, I've convinced someone what side I'm on. (Yep, I'm aware that can be taken either way. Consider it a very quotable opening for the next poster who decides everything I said sounded wolfy.  ) EDIT: Excellent, I will remember that next time. Especially since when I do it by hand, I'm always afraid I'll accidentally miss one or over-count one and I'll be accused of manipulating the numbers. Thanks for the confirmation.
I'm very interested in knowing how you so suddenly managed to defend yourself so competently. My suspicions of you are climbing. __________________
You know, I get it that people are just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes; they want to live in the holes; and they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes. Climb out of your holes, people!
-Hugh Laurie, House
Werewolf record:
As Werewolf: 1-0
As Cit: 0-1
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Montague
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posted April 04, 2009 05:23 PM
I wanna know who the 3 better lynches TOL is talking about are. IMO, it would be better for him to be telling us why we should vote for somebody else, as opposed to playing the "I promise I am a cit" card.
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Bugger
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posted April 04, 2009 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Montague:
I wanna know who the 3 better lynches TOL is talking about are. IMO, it would be better for him to be telling us why we should vote for somebody else, as opposed to playing the "I promise I am a cit" card.
I think he's referencing the three hypothetical wolves- in other words, he doesn't have names, he's just making up another way to say he's a cit. __________________
You know, I get it that people are just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes; they want to live in the holes; and they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes. Climb out of your holes, people!
-Hugh Laurie, House
Werewolf record:
As Werewolf: 1-0
As Cit: 0-1
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ThoughtsofLepers
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posted April 04, 2009 05:27 PM
 
I'm unsure of whether I should take that as a compliment or insult..."His last argument made sense. A fellow wolf must have told him what to say" Perhaps I'm in a more sober state of mind than normal (true) or perhaps I'm getting better. (*shrugs*) I'm going to apologize ahead of time to you for something, Bugger. And I'll tell you right now, when I do it, it won't be with malice...In fact I'll be laughing as I point it out. What I'm going to do is if I am lynched, you will see I'm a cit, and I will quote that right back at you Bugger. I'm seriously not trying to start a fight. I respect you as a player, Bugger. But man, I am pretty much rofl with that post. I really hope you're a wolf, because if not, I'll be the second cit you lynched in as many games (fwyb being first) for under-estimating them. EDIT: Yes I'm referencing the 3 actual wolves. And you're darn right I don't have names. Don't you think I'd try to use them to save myself if I did? But, the wolves are probably sitting back letting you 2 or 3 people condemn a cit. They aren't stupid enough to stick their necks out when everything is going their way. I could name random names of people I have no suspicion towards if that's what you want. I may yet even go so far as to point the finger. But as of now, I'd much rather just talk about it rather than point out random people who may or may not be wolves and who have done nothing to earn suspicion from myself
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Bugger
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posted April 04, 2009 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
I'm unsure of whether I should take that as a compliment or insult..."His last argument made sense. A fellow wolf must have told him what to say" Perhaps I'm in a more sober state of mind than normal (true) or perhaps I'm getting better. (*shrugs*) I'm going to apologize ahead of time to you for something, Bugger. And I'll tell you right now, when I do it, it won't be with malice...In fact I'll be laughing as I point it out. What I'm going to do is if I am lynched, you will see I'm a cit, and I will quote that right back at you Bugger. I'm seriously not trying to start a fight. I respect you as a player, Bugger. But man, I am pretty much rofl with that post. I really hope you're a wolf, because if not, I'll be the second cit you lynched in as many games (fwyb being first) for under-estimating them.
Uh... sure.
EDIT: Actually, no. Stop putting words in my mouth. I have another question: why are you only responding to me, when Liq effectively 'started' the bandwagon, and Montague is just as much in this (whatever "this" is), as I am? __________________
You know, I get it that people are just looking for a way to fill the holes. But they want the holes; they want to live in the holes; and they go nuts when someone else pours dirt in their holes. Climb out of your holes, people!
-Hugh Laurie, House
Werewolf record:
As Werewolf: 1-0
As Cit: 0-1
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bugger on April 04, 2009]
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ThoughtsofLepers
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posted April 04, 2009 05:46 PM
Well, I apologize for putting words in your mouth, then. That's what it sounded like to me. As for Liq and Montague:
Liq had me as a suspect before I could have done or not done anything to merit suspicion. Since he had no particular reason for it, I'm assuming I'm not changing his mind. Montague made a response to me that was reasonable, and told me he had an open mind on who to vote for. My last post was mainly directed at you because I was responding to YOUR post and it just made me laugh so much.  Also, you got on my ass last game, and were wrong, and more than Liq (Who died R1) or Montague (Who didn't play last WW), you are in a much better position to know my playstyle. Because of that, and the fact that you STILL think I'm a wolf, after my role is known I just want it to be generally known that despite me acting just the same as last game, you suspected me again. (There would be no problem with that, of course, if you were right) I think that IF there's a wolf among you three, (and for the record, I doubt it, I believe I said I think they're staying out of this) you are the most likely and I just want the citizenry to remember that after I'm gone.
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GottaLoveElves
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posted April 04, 2009 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
And that was exactly the point I was making--last game, eager beaver, this game, laid back.
PD, I have no idea where you're getting that idea--these two posts, as has been noted, are anything but "laid back": quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
Come on wolves, post some damning information! It'd be nice to actually get you suckers this game.
quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
I'll be home all day. Let's get this thread rocking.
Which, when questioned, followed up by: quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
I would not play a 'loud' R1 wolf.
I feel like a broken record saying this sometimes; you can't argue "I wouldn't do that as a wolf" while you're playing. The argument defeats itself because one of your top aims as a wolf is to do exactly that: things that citizens wouldn't think you'd do as a wolf. quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
That's just stupid. I appeal to the citizenry to at least admit that if I am a wolf, I am a VERY bad one. The sheer amount of people currently going for me should alert you to the fact that you have the wrong person. (When is the last time a large number of people voted out a wolf in R1?)
These are all non-arguments as far as I'm concerned. The number of people going for you reflects the oddness of your posting, and if you're a bad wolf, then you'll make those posts: something I don't doubt. My read on you from what I've seen thus far doesn't reflect that you're a bad player, but I'm also not putting a first round slip-up beyond you. Honestly, right now I like the ToL wagon, if you couldn't tell from my posting. The only issue I take with it is that so many people pitching at least a vocal affirmation or understanding of it, there's a pretty high probability the wolves have got a say going.
That said, since we're talking WW4, if ToL is a wolf, perhaps the wolves are smart and doing what I failed to do in that game: cut ties with the loose cannon early to minimize the damage. Amidst all the posting, though, not much else has stuck out to me, so ToL tentatively has my vote. Actually, this kind of reflects a first round trend here lately: the first round is seeing such a measure of consistency that it's becoming hard to pick up a solid read on many players. For instance, regardless of role, Jazaray will always come out of the gate with Amala's pick; Liq will always post "I vote X" and wait for the response; Bernie either votes for Bernek or makes some reference to doing so, etc.
I'm not criticizing anyone for doing so, because it gives a nice way to break the ice when playing the canine side of things, or a nice face-in-the-crowd opening for the seer. It's making R1 increasingly harder for the citizen side. As a result, of late, the first round nearly always sees the lynching of a newer, louder player. __________________
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He's old enough to know what's right, but young enough not to choose it.
He's noble enough to win the world, but weak enough to lose it.
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PlasteredDragon
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posted April 04, 2009 06:56 PM
Day 2 Post 4:quote:
Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
PD, I have no idea where you're getting that idea--these two posts, as has been noted, are anything but "laid back...
You must understand the context. In WW8 very early in the game TOL posted multiple times, and he posted immediately. This time he waited almost a day before posting. It was an inconsistency. What I was referring to was his behavior BEFORE he started posting. Yes now that he has started posting he seems very eager beaver and therefore much more in character. He also seems very defensive, which I don't really find suspicious.The nature of his posts this time around seem pretty on par with his posts last game. As I recall they felt a little odd too. For now my vote stands on him, but I feel pretty uncompelled at this point. Votes are due Sunday night and I am considering switching to revenger who has been very silent thus far (0 posts to date). But if TOL gets lynched that might help us (no offense TOL). I can see some useful analysis coming from that. __________________
-- PlasteredDragon A.K.A. Chuck Seggelin
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ThoughtsofLepers
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posted April 04, 2009 07:55 PM
1. "Come on wolves, post some damning information! It'd be nice to actually get you suckers this game."2. "I'll be home all day. Let's get this thread rocking." OK, these are the statements everyone is taking issue with. Here is a R1 example of the same thing from me last game. I can't really find an example of the first as it is situational. Of course I posted nothing like it last game. (my first game) It's directly referencing the game before when WWs made a clean sweep. quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
IMO, this makes it even more important that everyone speaks up. No silent players! With that said, no stone-casting here; I'll leave that to someone else.
- This was the end of my first post. It corresponds with #2 as both are a call to action. Both are me wanting to get the thread going and actually having people contribute, not just signing up and then not playing. I frankly don't understand why people take issue with this (The 2nd quote). I got home, the game had started, there was a dearth of actual discussion, I posted that I would be here and able to post all day, (unlike the 2 days previous) and that more people should post. I see no other way to misconstrue what I said, nor do I see any way in which it could be determined wolfish. It's simply a repeat of everything I said last game.And oh man, this is priceless. Here is Buggers breakdown of me R2 last game. (In the same post, he announces that he is voting for me, only to switch his vote to fwyb next post) quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
ThoughtsofLepers- emotional swinging player, if wolf probably guided by stronger player.
Now that I read that, I think its a possibility that I know why he shied away from my interpretation of his third-to-last post. He perhaps remembered his post from last game and didn't want to sound like a broken record. Regardless of what you (By you I mean everyone) think, I think it's pretty clear by looking at WW8, that everything I have said this game is in-character for me. And really, I neither have nor need a better defense than that. If you want to vote off someone who has said nothing OOC, and is a major poster (OK, so most of my posts lately have been consumed with my defense. That happens sometimes when everyone else is on the attack. That doesn't mean I'll stop posting when in the clear), that's your prerogative, but I think better votes lie elsewhere. (Like the low posters. Revenger still hasn't posted, and many others were in and out. Actually, I think our best chance lies with one of the 1-posters. I see a few [people for whom its OOC to only post once] of their posts as: "Hey, I'm posting, so don't lynch me. OK, I'm gonna go back to watching, now that I'm safe." EDIT: @PD
I forgot to say that I have to disagree with you when you say my death would provide useful analysis. Every single person who has posted after me has either expressed suspicion towards me or is declared as voting me. I actually think my death would do the opposite, as I think the wolves will vote for me too (Along with every other player for all I know) and I think you'll just end up with one of the biggest piles ever, and a lot of useless data.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by ThoughtsofLepers on April 04, 2009]
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Our_Benefactors
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posted April 04, 2009 08:06 PM
Even though revenger is thusfar silent, I doubt he would be taking that path as a wolf. It's at least somewhat OOC for him, but his posting levels were pretty consistent among wolf and not wolf.
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Montague
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posted April 04, 2009 08:07 PM
See TOL, that is how you defend yourself. Well put together. I am probally still going to vote for you, but nonetheless it was a good defense.
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ThoughtsofLepers
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posted April 04, 2009 08:17 PM
@Montague - I had to leave the room to avoid waking someone so I could burst out laughing after reading that.  Expect more defense, though. I can't just roll over and die. I gotta keep trying, ya know? For the good of the Poggle... rofl
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PlasteredDragon
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posted April 04, 2009 08:26 PM
Day 2 Post 5:quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
@PD
I forgot to say that I have to disagree with you when you say my death would provide useful analysis...
Darling TOL, to explain exactly what I am thinking of would be to give too much away. If it happens, and I see useful data there, I'll be sure to explain after the fact. For now you'll just have to trust me.Re: the rest of your post, that was a much better defense. If anybody is actually interested in getting a take on TOL's WW8 posting style, here are all of his posts from WW8: 003. Mar-08 02:49 PM: Signed up. - (ref: nobody)
074. Mar-12 07:45 AM: Kill doesn't say much, everyone should speak up, no SP's, not going to make an accusation until someone else does. - (ref: PD)
089. Mar-12 08:38 PM: Re: Liq#88 - I like this plan. Who do I vote for? - (ref: nobody)
095. Mar-12 09:00 PM: Why not try it? - (ref: nobody)
111. Mar-13 11:36 AM: Thinks Bugger's right, should lynch Liq first. Votes Liq. - (ref: Bug, Liq)
123. Mar-13 04:39 PM: Defensive. Going with the examine silent players plan. - (ref: Bug, Liq)
164. Mar-15 04:06 PM: Defends self. Promises suspicion list later. - (ref: Bug, Liq)
226. Mar-17 09:00 PM: Apologizes for missed vote. Suspects BOT and RAN. - (ref: BOT, Bug, PGB, randon)
242. Mar-19 08:04 AM: joking around - (ref: nobody)
257. Mar-19 05:37 PM: Suspects Jaz and Randon. Votes Randon. - (ref: Bernk, fwy, Jaz, randon)
262. Mar-19 06:05 PM: Suspects Jaz. - (ref: Bug, Jaz)
271. Mar-19 08:41 PM: Requests post count. - (ref: AGM, BernB, Kood)
289. Mar-22 05:26 PM: Switched vote to Jaz. Saw something suspicious in her posts. - (ref: AGM, Jaz, rev)
291. Mar-22 06:27 PM: tiebreaker is TOL's fault (switched from Randon to Jaz) - (ref: Bug, randon)
293. Mar-22 08:15 PM: Didn't notice the errors. - (ref: fwy, PD)
318. Mar-26 11:07 AM: AGM is very quiet, why does nobody suspect him? - (ref: AGM, Jaz, Kood, MW)
320. Mar-26 03:01 PM: Voting AlmasterGM. - (ref: AGM)
332. Mar-27 08:44 PM: kood voted for himself? - (ref: Kood)
343. Mar-29 06:14 PM: Thinks MW is a cit and Jaz kill a ploy to get cits to waste lynch on MW. Voting AGM. - (ref: AGM, Jaz, MW)
358. Mar-31 02:07 PM: Need consensus. Ok with revenger or OB vote. - (ref: AGM, Liq, OB, rev) __________________
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Jazaray
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posted April 04, 2009 08:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Day 2 Post 5:Darling TOL,
Hey PD, is there something you and TOL have been meaning to tell us? I have to agree with TOL here, I think we should go for the "kinda" silent players. Especially ones that are usually a bit more active. Rev and fwyb both fit that bill, so I'm going to be sticking with Amala.
Thanks,
Jazaray
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There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom. TheGame sure knows his MOTLers!
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revenger
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posted April 04, 2009 08:58 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Day 2 Post 1:Okay, so far people have been pretty tame, and not much has been said that strikes me as suspicious. Of the 16 living players, 14 have posted thus far. The two who haven't are revenger and TOL. For revenger this isn't really that surprising. He's not a chatty dude anyway. And though silent players need to incur a reasonable amount of suspicion if we are to keep this game alive, for now he's merely a suspect for silence--I'm not declaring a vote for him at this time. For TOL on the other hand, this is a little more surprising. He was a fairly active poster in WW8--not superactive but definitely not silent either. Last game he posted 5'th after the wolf kill and five times in round 1. So far not a peep, which is doubly interesting because Liq's cast a vote for him and TOL hasn't responded. You'd think he might be even more inclined to respond. Yes maybe he is busy, maybe his net access is down--that's understood. But as noted at the end of WW8, I think we need to stop giving silent players a free pass. So right now I am declaring a vote for TOL for being uncharacteristically silent. This vote will probably change later on, but for now that's where I am. Thus far I haven't noted anything else suspicious.
You suspect me for silence? What did you want me to do? Automatically post and randomly choose someone? I might as well roll a die. Start accusing someone without decent amount of evidence? Puh leeze. quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Day 2 Post 4:[QUOTE]Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
PD, I have no idea where you're getting that idea--these two posts, as has been noted, are anything but "laid back...
You must understand the context. In WW8 very early in the game TOL posted multiple times, and he posted immediately. This time he waited almost a day before posting. It was an inconsistency. What I was referring to was his behavior BEFORE he started posting. Yes now that he has started posting he seems very eager beaver and therefore much more in character. He also seems very defensive, which I don't really find suspicious.The nature of his posts this time around seem pretty on par with his posts last game. As I recall they felt a little odd too. For now my vote stands on him, but I feel pretty uncompelled at this point. Votes are due Sunday night and I am considering switching to revenger who has been very silent thus far (0 posts to date). But if TOL gets lynched that might help us (no offense TOL). I can see some useful analysis coming from that. [/QUOTE] So I am supposed to post in number equal to your chart and graph quota? Just because I have not been posting on this thread makes me suspicious to you? This sounds like a wolf tactic to me, attack me, to get a bandwagon attempt. Okay maybe not an attack, maybe an incursion is a better word. Please, when you get some hard evidence from your charts and graphs and percentages about me, then post it. Until then, go make a chart on this one post of mine and be happy you got a post from Revenger to you. Lynching of me only helps the wolfs, and I will gladly go to the gallows to prevent the wolfs from winning (If I can help that is). I do not declare my vote, as I still feel in my opinion (and from previous experience of last game), it helps the wolves out to much. (Hello Jazaray. ) What happened to less posting by you?  Pfft. ~Revenger __________________
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fwybwed
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posted April 04, 2009 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Jazaray:
Hey PD, is there something you and TOL have been meaning to tell us? I have to agree with TOL here, I think we should go for the "kinda" silent players. Especially ones that are usually a bit more active. Rev and fwyb both fit that bill, so I'm going to be sticking with Amala.
Thanks,
Jazaray
There now we are even in posts so that should be 3 of us in a pile to vote on. lol If I fit some bill that you speak of, then you are in it as well as your lil post of random vote has not helped us in any light. Activity in the R1 lynch is usually null, and the victim is usually a Villiager. Encouraging a vote against me on a random guess from your Daughter, has me wondering why? And so early to create a list to pile vote on has me wondering why also. You say im active, I agree, but what else should I be doing? There is a current finger point going on as we read on, but I have no real input there either. You have not offered anything to that argument either. I am sure there is a wolf in that mix but they are all saying virtually the same thing. I have already placed my vote.
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Jazaray
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posted April 04, 2009 09:41 PM
OMG Rev, what the hell crawled up your ass and died? PD isn't the only one who thinks you're being more quiet than usual. And yes, usually r1 people post and accuse random people, seeing as there is usually never any evidence, let alone a "decent amount" of evidence.And he doesn't NEED charts and graphs to know you haven't posted ONE POST since the round started almost two days ago (which IS unusual for you, going by previous rounds). Why didn't you go off on TOL? He said you were silent, so did I. Why didn't you go off on me? Why aren't you attacking everyone who makes comparisons about behavior based on other rounds of WW? Just because you can't seem to grasp that ALL PD's tracker does, is take the info that is available to ANYONE who reads this game and condenses it to an easier to read form, doesn't mean you should act like a ******* towards him. Declare or not, it makes no difference to me. Thanks,
Jazaray __________________
A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick:
There was a nice lassie named Jaz
Many wished to have what she has,
A delicate face,
A soft warm embrace,
And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom. TheGame sure knows his MOTLers!
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AlmasterGM
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posted April 04, 2009 09:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Our_Benefactors:
Even though revenger is thusfar silent, I doubt he would be taking that path as a wolf. It's at least somewhat OOC for him, but his posting levels were pretty consistent among wolf and not wolf.
Actually, revenger made the conscious decision to get quieter at the end of last game (when he was a WW) in an attempt to lose some of the heat off him. It worked, and he knows it.
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PlasteredDragon
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posted April 04, 2009 10:05 PM
Day 2 Post 6: (last one for today, I promise!)quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
You suspect me for silence? What did you want me to do? Automatically post and randomly choose someone? I might as well roll a die. Start accusing someone without decent amount of evidence? Puh leeze.
Relax revenger, don't get your knickers in a twist. Lately in WW games, people who TALK get lynched, and people who are quiet get a free pass. At the end of WW8, I noted that this encourages people to be silent--the solution I proposed at that time was to make silence as suspicious as talk--not let people off the hook for free. There has been plenty to talk about over the last two days, and you were quiet the whole time--if that's the way you are going to play, yes I am going to suspect you for being silent unless something else catches my eye. Deal with it.Besides, I'm just one guy, and I haven't even voted for you yet. All I said was I was considering voting for you. That's pretty tame, I think your response is defensive to the point where it almost looks a little crazed. quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
So I am supposed to post in number equal to your chart and graph quota?
If you don't understand the tracking, maybe you shouldn't disparage it. You know what silent means, it has nothing to do with the tracker or whatever "charts and graphs" you think I am working with.quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Just because I have not been posting on this thread makes me suspicious to you?
YES. If we don't want to reward silence, then it must be treated as if it is as suspicious as talk. Otherwise more and more people may choose to play silently, that was the whole point.quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
This sounds like a wolf tactic to me, attack me, to get a bandwagon attempt. Okay maybe not an attack, maybe an incursion is a better word.
Did someone forget to take their meds?Me: "I'm considering voting for revenger because he's silent." Rev: "PD is a wolf! He's ATTACKING me! He's trying to get a bandwagon on me!" What are you smoking? (And no, incursion is not a better word--stick with words you know.) quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Please, when you get some hard evidence from your charts and graphs and percentages about me, then post it. Until then, go make a chart on this one post of mine and be happy you got a post from Revenger to you.
First of all, it's round 1. Hard evidence is generally not available in R1. As has been noted countless times before R1 votes tend to be shots in the dark. Secondly, the way you disparage what the tracker is and what I do with it without understanding it makes you look very foolish. I already told you it isn't magic, it's just accounting--like you keeping your checkbook. I offered to explain it to you and got no response. I IM'ed you the other night to talk about it and you promptly disconnected. If you don't want to learn about it, fine, but if you choose to be ignorant, don't mock what you are ignorant of. That's just backward.quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
Lynching of me only helps the wolfs, and I will gladly go to the gallows to prevent the wolfs from winning (If I can help that is).
That's not really true--from the perspective of figuring out who the wolves are, it's still helpful even when cits go to the gallows--process of elimination is part and parcel of this game. It's also a fact of life that cits votes for cits... I pointed that out last game too. Besides, I idly say "I'm considering voting for revenger" and you are talking about "going to the gallows?" Dude its ONE vote. If you were keeping track of the game you would know that TOL has FOUR votes on him. I don't think you are going to the gallows because one guy idly considered voting for you.Overreact much? quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
What happened to less posting by you? Pfft.
Maybe if you used your sharp mind to keep track of the game instead of thinking up witty insults, you might realize that I have posted FAR less this game than in previous games. To whit: I said I would TRY to keep it to 2 posts a day, and that I might not be able to, but overall my intention was to post less. So since you are so quick to insult the process of tracking the game, let's look at the trackers and see what they say.WW7 round 1:
Total posts: 93
Top two posters: PD (30), hilikus (9)
Percentage of posts made by PD: 30 out of 93 = 32.3% WW9 round 1:
Total posts (so far): 60
Top two posters: Bugger (10), TOL (10)
Percentage of posts made by PD: 8 out of 60 = 13.3% For the math-challenged, 8 compared to 30? This is what we generally call LESS THAN--I assume you are familiar with the concept. No magic involved. Maybe if you weren't so busy going guanophrenic because I am not going to let you have a free pass by not posting, you might have realized that I *AM* posting far less, as promised. Feel free to catch up any time.
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revenger
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posted April 04, 2009 10:06 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
OMG Rev, what the hell crawled up your ass and died? PD isn't the only one who thinks you're being more quiet than usual. And yes, usually r1 people post and accuse random people, seeing as there is usually never any evidence, let alone a "decent amount" of evidence.And he doesn't NEED charts and graphs to know you haven't posted ONE POST since the round started almost two days ago (which IS unusual for you, going by previous rounds). Why didn't you go off on TOL? He said you were silent, so did I. Why didn't you go off on me? Why aren't you attacking everyone who makes comparisons about behavior based on other rounds of WW? Just because you can't seem to grasp that ALL PD's tracker does, is take the info that is available to ANYONE who reads this game and condenses it to an easier to read form, doesn't mean you should act like a ******* towards him. Declare or not, it makes no difference to me. Thanks,
Jazaray
Ah, but one posting of my name does not conclude to me major suspecting of me imo. Voting for me? I did not see where you or ToL is voting for me, perhaps I will reread it some more. I do have to work 5 days a week now. So, in that view, posting is not as important to me than my job and family. I do not have all day long to make charts or graphs and %'s about this game. Hell, I am lucky to make 4 or 5 hour long trades(or try to) on my days off. I think, IIRC, someone posted they do other stuff as well on the net. I do that as well (pogo anyone? ) It just irks me when I am the most suspicous one to someone because of my non activity on this game. Jaz, you jumped on me last game for making a mistake, and once again you jump on me and defend PD. Why is that? I do not know. Perhaps it's best if MeddlingMage will find a replacement for me, that way there will no longer be any animosty (if that is the word I am thinking of to use here) or hostility towards anyone. ~Revenger __________________
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Jazaray
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posted April 04, 2009 10:34 PM
Could you also point out where PD saying that he's voting for you? I can see where PD says he MIGHT vote for you, and where TOL says he MIGHT vote for you, and where I say I'm suspcious of you, therefore, MIGHT vote for you. So, did you just get a new job? Do you work more hours then you used to? If so, I didn't know that, and simply posting and pointing that out, instead of jumping all over PD (who might not know that either) would have been better than posting and jumping all over PD for noticing a change in your posting behavior. And knock it off with the whole charts and graphs crap. That has NOTHING to do with anything. And guess what, it took me a total today of 10 minutes to "do that whole charts and graphs thing", not "all day long". And it only took that long, because I had been gone all day and had a lot of catching up to do.The most suspicious one? Do you actually read the thread before you post? Right now, the "most suspicious one", according to my CHARTS AND GRAPHS, is TOL, with 4 votes against him. In fact, even fwyb beats you out in the suspicion category with 1 vote, seeing as you have NO votes against you. Why am I jumping on you and defending PD? Because you're talking bs about something you don't even know about. Because you're stating that his suspicions of you are ONLY because he has the tracker, rather than because you've been quieter. Because you were so quick to jump all over HIM and not anyone else that's said they were suspicious of you. What, exactly do you have against PD? I don't get it. And I don't want MM to find a replacement for you.
Crap, pogo, I gotta do my badges for this week.
Thanks,
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puregoblinboy47
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posted April 04, 2009 10:44 PM
Liq's going old school on this game. TOL has been Liq'd round one and man look at those sparks fly.
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Liq
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posted April 04, 2009 10:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
I thought it was WW5, but actually it was WW4:118. Dec-14 06:22 PM: MeddlingMage - randon lynched - round 1 votes LOL. Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. You played a good game in WW4 but it was a team effort.
Meh. I was wrong on the game but not in the way that I played it, eh? quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon in WW4:
Once again Liq, you've schooled me. I stand corrected. You are clearly a force to be reckoned with. Sorry I doubted you.
Now onto some serious business. quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
I still have no reason to be suspicious of anyone in particular so I can't point the finger at someone, attempting to save myself, but, seriously, there are at least 3 better lynches than myself.I think its funny that I am so hardcore on the defensive like this (Why am I so hardcore on the defensive, you ask? Because I want to win and lynching me is a wasted round. If I have any chance of convincing anyone of that, I have to take it. If you'll assume I'm a cit, I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from there.)
Suspicious. quote:
Originally posted by BernieB:
My suspicions are on ThoughtsofLepers now. His whole "Here I am in this game, as a cit again..." was jusdt a bit too fishy in my opinion.
Of course, I am also closely watching Our_Benefactors, Posting right after me, eh?
Noted. Cautious. quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
I'm very interested in knowing how you so suddenly managed to defend yourself so competently. My suspicions of you are climbing.
Suspicious. quote:
Originally posted by Montague:
I wanna know who the 3 better lynches TOL is talking about are.
Me Too. quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
Yes I'm referencing the 3 actual wolves. And you're darn right I don't have names. Don't you think I'd try to use them to save myself if I did?
Hella Suspicious. quote:
Originally posted by Bugger:
I have another question: why are you only responding to me, when Liq effectively 'started' the bandwagon, and Montague is just as much in this (whatever "this" is), as I am?
Good Question. quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
Liq had me as a suspect before I could have done or not done anything to merit suspicion. Since he had no particular reason for it, I'm assuming I'm not changing his mind.
Nothing you have posted thus far has warranted a change in my vote. quote:
Originally posted by GottaLoveElves:
Honestly, right now I like the ToL wagon, if you couldn't tell from my posting. The only issue I take with it is that so many people pitching at least a vocal affirmation or understanding of it, there's a pretty high probability the wolves have got a say going.
That said, since we're talking WW4, if ToL is a wolf, perhaps the wolves are smart and doing what I failed to do in that game: cut ties with the loose cannon early to minimize the damage.
Noted. Keeping my eyes on GLE. quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
For now my vote stands on him, but I feel pretty uncompelled at this point. Votes are due Sunday night and I am considering switching to revenger who has been very silent thus far (0 posts to date).But if TOL gets lynched that might help us (no offense TOL). I can see some useful analysis coming from that.
Suspicious. quote:
Originally posted by ThoughtsofLepers:
@PD
I forgot to say that I have to disagree with you when you say my death would provide useful analysis. Every single person who has posted after me has either expressed suspicion towards me or is declared as voting me. I actually think my death would do the opposite, as I think the wolves will vote for me too (Along with every other player for all I know) and I think you'll just end up with one of the biggest piles ever, and a lot of useless data.
If you get lynched, chances are that there was a wolf voting for you. Dissect what has been said and consider everything. quote:
Originally posted by Montague:
See TOL, that is how you defend yourself. Well put together. I am probally still going to vote for you, but nonetheless it was a good defense.
Suspicious. quote:
Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:
Darling TOL, to explain exactly what I am thinking of would be to give too much away. If it happens, and I see useful data there, I'll be sure to explain after the fact. For now you'll just have to trust me.
Suspicious. quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
I have to agree with TOL here, I think we should go for the "kinda" silent players. Especially ones that are usually a bit more active. Rev and fwyb both fit that bill, so I'm going to be sticking with Amala.
Noted. quote:
Originally posted by revenger:
So I am supposed to post in number equal to your chart and graph quota? Just because I have not been posting on this thread makes me suspicious to you? This sounds like a wolf tactic to me, attack me, to get a bandwagon attempt. Okay maybe not an attack, maybe an incursion is a better word. Please, when you get some hard evidence from your charts and graphs and percentages about me, then post it. Until then, go make a chart on this one post of mine and be happy you got a post from Revenger to you. Lynching of me only helps the wolfs, and I will gladly go to the gallows to prevent the wolfs from winning (If I can help that is).I do not declare my vote, as I still feel in my opinion (and from previous experience of last game), it helps the wolves out to much. (Hello Jazaray. ) What happened to less posting by you? Pfft.
Mildly Suspicious. quote:
Originally posted by fwybwed:
There now we are even in posts so that should be 3 of us in a pile to vote on. lolIf I fit some bill that you speak of, then you are in it as well as your lil post of random vote has not helped us in any light. Activity in the R1 lynch is usually null, and the victim is usually a Villiager. Encouraging a vote against me on a random guess from your Daughter, has me wondering why? And so early to create a list to pile vote on has me wondering why also. You say im active, I agree, but what else should I be doing? There is a current finger point going on as we read on, but I have no real input there either. You have not offered anything to that argument either. I am sure there is a wolf in that mix but they are all saying virtually the same thing. I have already placed my vote.
So much text to say so little. quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
The most suspicious one? Do you actually read the thread before you post? Right now, the "most suspicious one", according to my CHARTS AND GRAPHS, is TOL, with 4 votes against him. In fact, even fwyb beats you out in the suspicion category with 1 vote, seeing as you have NO votes against you.Why am I jumping on you and defending PD? Because you're talking bs about something you don't even know about. Because you're stating that his suspicions of you are ONLY because he has the tracker, rather than because you've been quieter. Because you were so quick to jump all over HIM and not anyone else that's said they were suspicious of you. What, exactly do you have against PD? I don't get it.
Initial Thought. Jaz is on the same team as Rev and/or PD. It's not likely that all 3 of them are wolves. quote:
Originally posted by puregoblinboy47:
Liq's going old school on this game. TOL has been Liq'd round one and man look at those sparks fly.
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Bugger
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posted April 05, 2009 06:31 AM
Voting: ThoughtsofLepers, most likely.
Keeping an eye on: revenger and XRKon (who, in addition to being near-silent this game has a track record of doing so).
I still feel somewhat iffy about my vote for ToL however, and may switch to XRKon.__________________
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MeddlingMage
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posted April 05, 2009 06:42 AM
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