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rats60 Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:14 PM quote: Originally posted by tommartell: You are either doing a great job of trolling or you are unbelievably stupid. I'm honestly not sure which. EDIT: I am impressed that you got this out of me. I was trying really hard to engage with you on substantive points but I could only put up with so much gibberish Actually, I'm very intelligent and successful. You on the other hand are proving to be the d-bag that others have claimed. Obviously what I am saying is over your head. You think that you are the first guy to come on MOTL and try to push people around? Guys like you are a dime a dozen and I have no use for your kind. quote: Originally posted by tommartell: You realize what a difficult hole you've dug for yourself, right? You are trying to prove that I offer literally no value to any potential seller by insisting that they send first. I am arguing that some sellers (not necessarily you, as you seem like someone I would never want to deal with) will find value in me publicizing my buylist even with that caveat attached. Short term anecdotal evidence suggests you are wrong. This is not what I'm saying. Coming on MOTL and acting like a d-bag might save you a few dollars, but now everyone knows that you are a d-bag. You are the one being shortsided. If you had come on here an acted like a human being, you would find many more people willing to sell to you and you wouldn't expose yourself for the person you are. [Edited 1 times, lastly by rats60 on April 26, 2012]
Tranderas Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:21 PM quote: Originally posted by rats60: Actually, I'm very intelligent and successful. You on the other hand are proving to be the d-bag that others have claimed. Obviously what I am saying is over your head. You think that you are the first guy to come on MOTL and try to push people around? Guys like you are a dime a dozen and I have no use for your kind. Are you sure he's the moron here? He doesn't seem to be.
MAB_Rapper Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:25 PM quote: Originally posted by tommartell: I'm not trying to criticize anyone else for how they do business. If you can get people to pay more than I am willing to pay for a card or accept more pro-seller terms, god bless. Posting that ebay rant on MAB's thread was in poor taste. I deleted it and sent him an apology. Not that Tom needs it, but I will confirm that he is telling the truth. The whole thing wasn't meant to get this blown out of proportion. In retrospect, yes, I should have kept the communication personal and I will accept my part of the blame here. But I do want to say one thing that I read and must disagree with. There happens to be more haggling that is successful than most people think. I have posted offers on some posts and have had made purchases at the price I offered. Likewise, there is no less than 3-4 posts on a sales thread I posted yesterday asking for a lower price, and I have taken a good amount of them. (Granted, with a full time job, having every price perfect isn't that easy, so mostly it is me adjusting on the fly.) I'll admit that not everyone is open to being flexible, but I try to be when the offer is right. __________________ MOTL's Most Likely to Play in the Pro Tour - 2007, 2008, and 2009 (My 2008 Nationals) The Official Tower Magic Facebook Page
tommartell Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:26 PM quote: Originally posted by rats60: Actually, I'm very intelligent and successful. You on the other hand are proving to be the d-bag that others have claimed. Obviously what I am saying is over your head. You think that you are the first guy to come on MOTL and try to push people around? Guys like you are a dime a dozen and I have no use for your kind. You have a bizarre disconnect from reality. Posting a buylist with clearly stated terms under which I would like to do business is not pushing people around. It is actually the exact opposite.
rats60 Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:29 PM quote: Originally posted by tommartell: You have a bizarre disconnect from reality. Posting a buylist with clearly stated terms under which I would like to do business is not pushing people around. It is actually the exact opposite. You are trying to use your name to get people to give you favorable terms. Why else would you chose the username you did? If that's not trying to push people around, what is it?
tommartell Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:34 PM quote: Originally posted by rats60: You are trying to use your name to get people to give you favorable terms. Why else would you chose the username you did? If that's not trying to push people around, what is it? I used my name because I stand behind the things that I say and do on the internet and I expect to be held accountable for them. I don't see the need to hide behind "hamster411". I am a very straightforward person when it comes to business. I lay out the terms I am looking for up front and you can choose to take them or not. I am open to constructive discussions of these terms (as I have already significantly modified my "pay first" expectations) and I actively encourage counter offers. If part of the offer is you would want me to pay first, I will consider your offer and decide if it is something I want to pursue. The things you are attacking me for are things I would generally applaud in other people. Be up front. Make your terms and expectations clear. Own your identity. If I was planning on screwing someone over here I wouldn't put my name on my account. I don't see why it is a bad thing to make myself MORE accountable for my actions.
T-O-N Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:48 PM quote: Originally posted by tommartell: I don't see the need to hide behind "hamster411". That's definitely my next username [Edited 1 times, lastly by T-O-N on April 26, 2012]
Thanos Member	posted April 26, 2012 05:59 PM All of this arguing is taking away from the bigger issue on here: http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/017490.html
Lord Crovax Member	posted April 26, 2012 06:00 PM quote: Originally posted by T-O-N: That's definitely my next username Damn I was thinking the same thing, I guess Hamster XXX or some such must do.. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
junichi Moderator	posted April 26, 2012 06:22 PM Who needs Viagra when you can grow your e-peen exponentially on MOTL. On other news, nothing is funnier than watching 2 BMW drivers yelling at each other. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 Champion You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help.
JoshSherman Member	posted April 26, 2012 06:37 PM Waitaminute... The Motel 6 guy plays Magic? Honestly, I feel like you may be a pretty good fit for MOTL, Tom. There are people on here that are big jerks that get way more respect than they deserve. You seem to have a streak of jerk in you (who doesn't?), but for the most part you're rational and respectful. The fact that we haven't already run you out of town bodes well. __________________ My LJLetter Bombs!FacebookLogout- I had it second!*CKGB
paragondave Member	posted April 26, 2012 08:44 PM quote: Originally posted by Tranderas: Are you sure he's the moron here? He doesn't seem to be. Thanks for clearing that one up. I was seriously confused until you posted.
revenger Member	posted April 26, 2012 08:52 PM Wow. That heated discussion continues on. I never use my real name for sites, to afraid of identity theft and stuff of that nature. I try and use the same username where I go. I don't need to brag and promote my real name. I'm happy & content with my 12 year old motl username. __________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000 Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! 37th in refs on Motl! First in refs in state of Arizona! Werewolf II: Nemesis
tommartell Member	posted April 26, 2012 09:00 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: I don't need to brag and promote my real name. Am I so incredibly awesome that merely using my real name is now bragging? It is tough being me [Edited 1 times, lastly by tommartell on April 26, 2012]
paragondave Member	posted April 26, 2012 09:08 PM quote: Originally posted by tommartell: Am I so incredibly awesome that merely using my real name is now bragging? It is tough being me Nope. to clarify, you may be awesome and it may be tough being you, but using your real name is not bragging. Carry on. [Edited 1 times, lastly by paragondave on April 26, 2012]
fwybwed Member	posted April 26, 2012 09:11 PM quote: Originally posted by tommartell: Am I so incredibly awesome that merely using my real name is now bragging? It is tough being me You should try been a nobody like me...Its hard. I climb daily to reach that pinnacle of success in this game of life. HEY!!! Where's my Rootbeer Float at?...Revenger I didnt say you could put my float over there dammit! {reaches} Ooooops!
revenger Member	posted April 26, 2012 09:13 PM quote: Originally posted by tommartell:Am I so incredibly awesome that merely using my real name is now bragging? It is tough being me Is it me or do I detect conceit/narcism/ego in that statement/post there? I could be mistaken but.... __________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000 Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! 37th in refs on Motl! First in refs in state of Arizona! Werewolf II: Nemesis
tommartell Member	posted April 26, 2012 09:15 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: Is it me or do I detect conceit/narcism/ego in that statement/post there? I could be mistaken but.... I was sarcastically mocking you, actually. I think your radar is malfunctioning. [Edited 1 times, lastly by tommartell on April 26, 2012]
rayragnarok Member	posted April 26, 2012 09:16 PM quote: Originally posted by revenger: Is it me or do I detect conceit/narcism/ego in that statement/post there? I could be mistaken but.... is it just me or do i detect obliviousness/a lack of humor/a low intelligence and wisdom score there
rayragnarok Member	posted April 26, 2012 09:27 PM i am admittedly a fan of team channel fireball, but who anyone is doesn't matter here. if you don't like anyone's terms you don't have to **ing trade with them. people refuse to send first and/or make low ball offers all the time, and you say "no i don't like these terms" and move on, because no one if forcing you to take the **ing deal. and everything else shouldn't be up for discussion.
Mr.C Member	posted April 26, 2012 10:31 PM quote: Originally posted by junichi: On other news, nothing is funnier than watching 2 BMW drivers yelling at each other. It's like the pot calling the kettle black. Hey, don't hate on all BMW drivers Not all of us are stupid. And anyway, I came in here to see if I was going to play some "troll the pro", but I agree with Tom. If I was going on Salvation, I wouldn't send first to people with 5 or 10 or 20 refs either. You don;t agree to that, don't deal with me, have a nice day. No fault there. For the record, I saw Tom's list, saw the prices were on the low end of the scale, then saw his rules. I figured I wouldn't bother, so I hit back. There was nothing outrageous there. I've seen way worse in 8+ years here. I don;t see a reason to get all worked up. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Mr.C on April 26, 2012]
rockondon Member	posted April 26, 2012 11:09 PM I had spaghetti 2 days in a row and the farts I had today were enough to kill a man. __________________ \|My Angels~My P9 l""\|"\__, \|~~My #1 Angel~~l'_\|'_\|_\|) \|(@)(@)""*\|(@)(@)\|(@)
Pippincro Banned	posted April 27, 2012 12:40 AM One thing is being overlooked in the debate here. MOTL also has sort of "buyer's protection system" - indirectly through paypal. If one pays for goods through it, he can fill out claim if the cards don't arrive. I don't believe this is a valid argument for "pro ebay camp". Refs and insecurity about possible outcome on MOTL is tied to cards for cards trades, not cash for cards interactions.
tommartell Member	posted April 27, 2012 01:20 AM quote: Originally posted by Pippincro: One thing is being overlooked in the debate here. MOTL also has sort of "buyer's protection system" - indirectly through paypal. If one pays for goods through it, he can fill out claim if the cards don't arrive. I don't believe this is a valid argument for "pro ebay camp". Refs and insecurity about possible outcome on MOTL is tied to cards for cards trades, not cash for cards interactions. Except all sellers require the buyer to transfer the funds as a personal payment so this protection does not apply. This is part of the sellers here wanting to cut their fees and keep the same sell prices.
Pippincro Banned	posted April 27, 2012 01:31 AM quote: Originally posted by tommartell: Except all sellers require the buyer to transfer the funds as a personal payment so this protection does not apply. This is part of the sellers here wanting to cut their fees and keep the same sell prices. Second part of this is true, but first part isn't really. There are usually 2 options cited in selling threads: 1) personal payment 2) CC payment, aka goods purchase where buyer adds around 4% Not sure how things work in US, but for example when sending money through Paypal from my country (European one) - I end up paying the same 4% whether I send as personal payment or as purchasing online goods. In personal payment case, 4% is automatically calculated by paypal for me, and in second case I manually calculate 4% and add to the final sum (as agreed with seller).

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