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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Overmoderation was turned up to 110.

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so that's all i hear on motl is mtgsalvation had overmoderation but nobody has elaborated on that....they just say all the forums are overmodded. that isn't as helpful as you might think

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
so that's all i hear on motl is mtgsalvation had overmoderation but nobody has elaborated on that....they just say all the forums are overmodded. that isn't as helpful as you might think

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It's hard to explain something that doesn't seem to make common sense. From my personal experience, they get super nitpicky about minor rules. Even going so far as to suspend members concerning issues in which most thought the rules were followed. They operate like old school Feds. The "powers that be" give 'em a badge and tell them to keep the order however they can. They get overworked just due to size of the site and number of members involved. I think it's all calmed down a quite a bit since the site transferred over to the Curse domain.

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Originally posted by chaos021:
It's hard to explain something that doesn't seem to make common sense. From my personal experience, they get super nitpicky about minor rules. Even going so far as to suspend members concerning issues in which most thought the rules were followed. They operate like old school Feds. The "powers that be" give 'em a badge and tell them to keep the order however they can. They get overworked just due to size of the site and number of members involved. I think it's all calmed down a quite a bit since the site transferred over to the Curse domain.

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i feel like reddit's magictcg sub suffers from the same :-|

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Overmoderation was turned up to 110.

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So MTGSalvation happened.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
so that's all i hear on motl is mtgsalvation had overmoderation but nobody has elaborated on that....they just say all the forums are overmodded. that isn't as helpful as you might think

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
I got slapped four times in one week when I tried trading these for such "heinous" offences as not making sure the little flag on my profile was Canada. I believe I was also slapped for making a post by accident on a different thread ("NO SPAMMING YOU TOOL").

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Originally posted by Vegas10:
How long ago was this. While I agree they have been over moded in the past, since they went to the new site it has seemed much better, but maybe that's just my experience. That being said trading on there is difficult.

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When they moved to the new site I believe they lost a lot of members. The trade "improvements" actually made it more cumbersome to trade. I suspect that once they noticed the drop in membership they became somewhat more lenient with regard to "infractions", as they call them.

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Originally posted by stab107:
When they moved to the new site I believe they lost a lot of members. The trade "improvements" actually made it more cumbersome to trade. I suspect that once they noticed the drop in membership they became somewhat more lenient with regard to "infractions", as they call them.

Of course, they could still be overmodding but I may not notice it anymore, as I visit the Rumor Mill and Market Street Cafe directly through links and only skim threads of interest. I used to spend a lot more time browsing other forums there but lost interest after the move made trading such a hassle.

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I really only participate in the Cube forum, which should really be it's own forum. For one, it's not overmoderated. Didn't want to get banned after silly infractions so I stopped trading so I could keep browsing the cube forums.

Long live MOTL. But please Leshrac, let some people here either take over or help you out.

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Originally posted by paragondave:
There's no hate from here Ron and I know all the mods get nothing unless a few members send them stuff in appreciation of the work they do, for nothing. Ben and all the mods should know I truly appreciate the work that they all do and they should know why I feel the way I often do. I certainly haven't kept any secrets on all counts. I, like many others just hate to see this site get forgotten by the only one who can keep it current and relevant to what it's original function seemed to be.

I'm just old and cranky sometimes and I tend to replace tact with sarcasm. I also know it's not original.

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I didn't mean you in general dave. I've read the bra (I don't have much of a social life these days lol) I've seen what you've done for this site.
I just get the impression that a lot of peeps are looking at slinga as this savior type and expecting something from him that he can't fulfill.

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Originally posted by ronandaggy:
I didn't mean you in general dave. I've read the bra (I don't have much of a social life these days lol) I've seen what you've done for this site.
I just get the impression that a lot of peeps are looking at slinga as this savior type and expecting something from him that he can't fulfill.

This really sucks though, when ag saw motl on my browser she lit up, "how's under, how's jaz, GLE etc etc."

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jaz and others were still coming here and posting until fairly recently (past 6 months) but then News Years hit and everyone cept Slinga and I guess junichi disappeared.

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
jaz and others were still coming here and posting until fairly recently (past 6 months) but then News Years hit and everyone cept Slinga and I guess junichi disappeared.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Jaz is still around on facebook. I guess she's got a lot of family stuff going on now.

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I hope everything is alright

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Originally posted by ronandaggy:
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I just get the impression that a lot of peeps are looking at slinga as this savior type and expecting something from him that he can't fulfill
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I agree that it would seem that a lot of people are hoping slinga can be motl's savior,. I also know that many people have tried to convince leshrac to let them either help with or take motl's off his hands, so they can at least give motl's a fighting chance.

That being said there is, in my opinion, only one person to blame for the state motl's is in at the moment. We all know who that is.

Leshrac appears to be stubborn to the point that this site is on its last legs. (Which sucks big time). I seriously hope that some time soon he hears the pleas and turns the reins over to someone or a group of someone's who really do care and have the skills to revitalize this site.

Even though I haven,t owned any magic cards since 2004, I continued coming to motl's because it was a great place to hang.

Please let go leshrac. Let others try.

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Originally posted by Iluvhyppies:
Even though I haven,t owned any magic cards since 2004, I continued coming to motl's because it was a great place to hang. [/B]

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This is of course a legitimate use, but I think it is perhaps why you see this site as being on it's "last leg" -> because it is no longer a great place to hang. Because most of the old timers (I dare say, I only joined in 2008 or 2007) are no longer here.

But from the strict PoV of buying / selling / trading Magic cards, it's not as "down" as that. Granted, it is probably a shadow of what it once was, but I still see almost as many new/bumped posts a day as I see on those new Facebook groups that are all the hype now.

And besides, like I said, there's the "underground" MOTL. I recently bought cards from Yifeng (MTDetermine) just by e-mailing him; if I wanted something from Ben or Jaco or Dannibal or Herman (AEther Storm) I would do the same. Thus we would not be *using* MOTL per se, yet it is *because* of MOTL that we can do that with confidence.

And this even happens today with the Facebook groupies. You wouldn't believe how EASIER it is to set up a deal with someone who knows MOTL, trusts its references lists, trusts a mod to 3rd party, etc.

The site may not see as much use today, but it's still extremely helpful.

I stepped away around 2002 or so from the game and sold everything I had. Came back about 2-3 years ago when the itch to play and trade came back, to find that the game has changed. No longer do you just trade stuff for stuff. There's alot of speculators, "dealers", and just people that need to always trade up or value trade. I'm thinking this may have been one straw that helped the camels back get broken.

Plus with repeat rippers and many more sites coming up, coupled with many of the mtg players have aged to 30's or 40's and have families, homes, etc., postage going up from $7.50 to send registered insured (if memory serves me) out of the states to $18+, the site isn't what it once was.

Then all of them went on a power trip and banned me for 2 years. Their reason is that even though using PayPal Gift payment is not against the rule, I deliberately went against PayPal TOS by requesting Gift payments. Yes, don't ask me to explain their reason because I couldn't. One moderator even went as far as threatening to report me to PayPal.

https://www.wsgr.com/WSGR/DBIndex.aspx?SectionName=attorneys/BIOS/10858.htm

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Originally posted by Child of Gaea:
A year ago I actually tried to book an hour, willing to pay his federal lawyer rate, just to talk to him. Not even a go away for a reply. Might as well speak to a brick wall...

https://www.wsgr.com/WSGR/DBIndex.aspx?SectionName=attorneys/BIOS/10858.htm

Maybe if someone else tries or he gets multiple spam it might speak.

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Well, I mean I certainly don't want us to upset the guy. I'm thankful for him and the site. That being said I'm very concerned that the website license won't be renewed and we'll lose everything like mtgnews.com when it went away.

I know someone else has tried to contact him recently and I don't think they ever heard back either. Does anyone know if, if the license lapses, if there is a way for one of us to buy the site if he lets it disappear before everything gets lost?

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
I'm guessing nobody ever heard back from Lesh?

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Originally posted by LandDestroyer:
Well, I mean I certainly don't want us to upset the guy. I'm thankful for him and the site. That being said I'm very concerned that the website license won't be renewed and we'll lose everything like mtgnews.com when it went away.

I know someone else has tried to contact him recently and I don't think they ever heard back either. Does anyone know if, if the license lapses, if there is a way for one of us to buy the site if he lets it disappear before everything gets lost?

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If he allows the domain name to expire, as long as this is ran on an independant server everything will be fine until it is either renewed or a different domain is pointed to it. Where the server is housed, I do not know, but Im assuming it runs on some old box sitting in the cybercafe.
Maybe no one knows root password anymore and so its just doomed to sit there until the hardware fails. It is all so beyond bizarre to me..

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
I just find it so weird that there still are articles posted to the "new" front of MOTL.

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Ya, who was posting those until 2-3 months ago? What does it take to upload there?