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Meddling Pimp
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quote:
Originally posted by ElvishPiper75:
I have Windbrisk Heights, with Rise of the Hobgoblins under it. I attack with 4 creatures, activate Heights. Can I pay X to get X 1/1 Goblin Soldiers??

Yes. When it comes into play, the trigger goes on the stack. You choose whether or not to pay at the time the trigger resolves.

 
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I have Lich's Mirror and Lich in play. I Hurricane for a million. Do I win or lose? I have to sacrifice permanents Simultaneously therefore I would sac both the mirror and the lich together negating the mirror's effect. Have I answered my own question?
 
Meddling Pimp
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quote:
Originally posted by GenghisTom:
I have Lich's Mirror and Lich in play. I Hurricane for a million. Do I win or lose? I have to sacrifice permanents Simultaneously therefore I would sac both the mirror and the lich together negating the mirror's effect. Have I answered my own question?

You've answered your own question. Because you have to do it simultaneously, the Lich's Mirror isn't there to save you when the Lich leaves play and kills you.

 
caquaa
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quote:
Originally posted by Meddling Pimp:
You've answered your own question. Because you have to do it simultaneously, the Lich's Mirror isn't there to save you when the Lich leaves play and Lich's triggered ability resolves that kills you.


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If I place a +1/+1 counter on my mutavault using Ajani Goldmane, does my mutavault lose that counter when it reverts back to a land?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Lantis:
If I place a +1/+1 counter on my mutavault using Ajani Goldmane, does my mutavault lose that counter when it reverts back to a land?

No

 
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quote:
Originally posted by MasterWolf:
I have Darien, King of ....

My opponent Lavalanche's for 3. Do I get three tokens? Do they take 3?


 
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quote:
Originally posted by MasterWolf:
I have Darien, King of ....

My opponent Lavalanche's for 3. Do I get three tokens? Do they take 3?


Opponent plays 'lanche and it resolves for 3 damage. His ability triggers and waits to be placed on the stack next time a player would gain priority. When state based effects check darien dies. You don't get the tokens til the trigger resolves.

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quote:
Originally posted by Vegekaan2:
I recently aquired 4 Worldpurge and was just pondering, will it work in sync with Warped Devotion?

My first thought was yes, b/c everything is returned at once, putting warped devotion's discard ability on the stack, leaving me with a hand full of 7 and opponents discard whatever they decide to hold....but some of the rules may have changed since I quit, so that's why I'm asking.


Warped Devotion will trigger for each permanent that is returned to a player's hand - including your own permanents. Your opponents will have to discard a bunch of cards, but so will you...
 
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What happens if my opponent casts a meditate. He draws his 4 cards and casts Timevault. Then untaps his Timevault with a Voltaic key, just to tap it to get an extra turn? Do both effects resolve, canceling each out?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by marriedwithchildren:
What happens if my opponent casts a meditate. He draws his 4 cards and casts Timevault. Then untaps his Timevault with a Voltaic key, just to tap it to get an extra turn? Do both effects resolve, canceling each out?

Yes, they will cancel each other out.

 
Tim Shaffer
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Under M10 rules will priority be exchanged between first strike and normal damage, or will players exchange priority before damage and then first strike and normal damage just happen.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim Shaffer:
Under M10 rules will priority be exchanged between first strike and normal damage, or will players exchange priority before damage and then first strike and normal damage just happen.

Under M10 rules, players will still get priority during the first strike combat damage step, after damage is dealt. This is not changing.

 
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I declare attack with a creature, he declares blocker with Wellwisher, can he activate Wellwisher before damage is dealt? Therefore both gaining life + blocking the attack, or will that not work?

Asking this based on the new MTG 2010 rulings.

 
Our_Benefactors
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quote:
Originally posted by Gigamaster89:
I declare attack with a creature, he declares blocker with Wellwisher, can he activate Wellwisher before damage is dealt? Therefore both gaining life + blocking the attack, or will that not work?

Asking this based on the new MTG 2010 rulings.


Works in both current and future rulings.

 
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I am a little confused how combat works under the new rules. Can somebody answer my questions in these two scenarios?

1. If my opponent attacks with a creature (any creature) and I block with a Victual Sliver, what happens if I sacrifice the Victual Sliver during the declare blockers step when I have priority but before the combat damage step . Will the Victual Sliver still do its damage to attacking creature? Is the attacking creature still considered blocked and does it do its damage to me.

2. If my opponent attacks with a creature (any creature) and I block with Prodigal Sorcerer, what happens if I use the Prodigal Sorcerer's ability and spend it to do damage to the opponents creature but it does not die. Will my Prodigal Sorcerer still do combat damage to the attacking creature in addition to the 1 damage done with Prodigal Sorcerer's ability?

Thanks for the help.
J

 
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quote:
Originally posted by jleaf:
I am a little confused how combat works under the new rules. Can somebody answer my questions in these two scenarios?

1. If my opponent attacks with a creature (any creature) and I block with a Victual Sliver, what happens if I sacrifice the Victual Sliver during the declare blockers step when I have priority but before the combat damage step . Will the Victual Sliver still do its damage to attacking creature? Is the attacking creature still considered blocked and does it do its damage to me.

2. If my opponent attacks with a creature (any creature) and I block with Prodigal Sorcerer, what happens if I use the Prodigal Sorcerer's ability and spend it to do damage to the opponents creature but it does not die. Will my Prodigal Sorcerer still do combat damage to the attacking creature in addition to the 1 damage done with Prodigal Sorcerer's ability?

Thanks for the help.
J



1. Your creature will NOT deal combat damage, but the opposing creature will still be considered "blocked", and will not deal its damage to you.

2. Yes.

 
GenghisTom
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Just to be sure,

I have Lich's Mirror and Lich out. I Hurricane for a million. Everybody takes a million damage, but I instead sacrifice my permanents. Does damage hit everyone killing them while the mirror saves me? Or would the mirror be sacrificed before I would technically lose the game therefore nulling its effect and causing me to lose with everyone?

Essentially what happens when I do the above?

 
TheMidnightBomber
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quote:
Originally posted by GenghisTom:
Just to be sure,

I have Lich's Mirror and Lich out. I Hurricane for a million. Everybody takes a million damage, but I instead sacrifice my permanents. Does damage hit everyone killing them while the mirror saves me? Or would the mirror be sacrificed before I would technically lose the game therefore nulling its effect and causing me to lose with everyone?

Essentially what happens when I do the above?


The mirror leaves play before it can be triggered.

What happens:

1. Hurricane resolves.
2. All players take a million damage, you sacrifice all your permanents at the same time to Lich's replacement effect.
3. Lich's trigger goes on the stack, both players lose immediately for having zero life.

Replacement effects such as Lich's happen before state based effects are checked. Therefore, Lich's Mirror will be in the graveyard before you can "lose" and trigger it's own replacement effect.

 
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So the answer to my question is? Who would win? Are you saying it would be a draw. It's a bit unclear when you say "all players take a million damage", then, "both players lose". How many players are in this scenario of yours?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by GenghisTom:
So the answer to my question is? Who would win? Are you saying it would be a draw. It's a bit unclear when you say "all players take a million damage", then, "both players lose". How many players are in this scenario of yours?

It's a draw.

It doesn't matter how many players there are. Assuming nobody can survive a million point hurricane, everyone loses and the game is a draw.

 
Tim Shaffer
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If my opponent blocks my fatty with multiple creatures and then casts harms way, will he be able to choose which 2 damage to prevent after I assign damage, or does he have to prevent damage to a specific creature (such as the first one in the order).

basically do I have to assign an additional 2 damage to one creature, or all of the creatures that I want to make sure die

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim Shaffer:
If my opponent blocks my fatty with multiple creatures and then casts harms way, will he be able to choose which 2 damage to prevent after I assign damage, or does he have to prevent damage to a specific creature (such as the first one in the order).

basically do I have to assign an additional 2 damage to one creature, or all of the creatures that I want to make sure die



As the damage is being dealt, your opponent chooses any 2 damage from the chosen source to redirect. If you want to make sure certains creatures die, you should assign an extra 2 damage to each of those creatures.
 
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Another harms way question, if I cast safe passage and harms way, can I choose to redirect the 2 damage before it gets prevented.

Thanks

 
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Adding this Q to the rulings thread for nore responses/opinions. I want to know for next time.
Honestly, I think my opponent was just being a bit of a hard-butt for the sake of arrogance as opposed to actively stacking my deck, but hey..one never knows.

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I have a question that I can't find the answer to in the rules docs on wizard's site.
I was at the M10 prerelease this weekend, and one of my opponents took my deck before 1st match and proceeded to seperate it out into 4 equal piles. Given that a)this took forever and I was playing a slow deck, thus round time was burning (I had gone to last 5 turns both previous rounds), and b) this seemed extremely odd to me and actually felt kinda like stacking my deck, I called over a judge.
The judge informed me that the way it works is this: I get first shuffle, then pass to opponent. Opponent can do whatever he wishes to my deck, but I then get to reshuffle. If I choose to reshuffle, opponent gets another priority, followed, by me, etc...

So basically, I told the judge, the opponent can either choose to keep shuffling to try and force a round draw, or I am forced to accept his "randomizing" of my deck for play to begin.

Anyone know if this is true or not?

 

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