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keijoh ita Member	posted May 23, 2009 03:26 PM i have in play swans of bryn argol with pariah attached to it. my wife then casts control magic, does she control pariah as well or do i still control pariah? thanks is advance.
caquaa Member	posted May 23, 2009 04:33 PM quote: Originally posted by keijoh ita: i have in play swans of bryn argol with pariah attached to it. my wife then casts control magic, does she control pariah as well or do i still control pariah? thanks is advance. you still control the pariah, but pariah is not the source of the damage if thats what you're trying to pull off. Pariah redirects the damage but the source stays unchanged. __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
keijoh ita Member	posted May 23, 2009 04:38 PM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: you still control the pariah, but pariah is not the source of the damage if thats what you're trying to pull off. Pariah redirects the damage but the source stays unchanged. i can not redirect the damage back to the swans and thus allow me to draw the cards? thanks in advance.
caquaa Member	posted May 23, 2009 06:52 PM quote: Originally posted by keijoh ita: [QUOTE]Originally posted by caquaa: you still control the pariah, but pariah is not the source of the damage if thats what you're trying to pull off. Pariah redirects the damage but the source stays unchanged. i can not redirect the damage back to the swans and thus allow me to draw the cards? thanks in advance.[/QUOTE] Hrm, think this is easier with an example instead of rules. She has control of your swans enchanted with a pariah that you control. If she attacks you her creature will assign damage to you. When the damage resolves the pariah will redirect the damage to the swans but her creature is still what is dealing the damage, the pariah just changes where the damage is being dealt, not its source. If you deal damage to the swans via dealing damage to yourself with something then pariah redirects that damage to the swans you'll be the one drawing the cards. I can quote some rules if you need, or does the example make more sense? __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
Ghammer Member	posted May 29, 2009 09:00 AM I have a question concerning counterbalance and vexing shusher. Say both of the cards are in play. My opponent plays a rancor. Does the counterbalance trigger resolve and when would my opponent have to play for the shushers ability to make it uncounterable. Also would I be able to respond and counter the card by adding say a counterspell to the stack targeting the rancor.
orcishartillery Member	posted May 29, 2009 10:23 AM quote: Originally posted by Ghammer: I have a question concerning counterbalance and vexing shusher. Say both of the cards are in play. My opponent plays a rancor. Does the counterbalance trigger resolve and when would my opponent have to play for the shushers ability to make it uncounterable. Also would I be able to respond and counter the card by adding say a counterspell to the stack targeting the rancor. Yes, Counterbalance's ability triggers and resolves. Your opponent would have to play Shusher's ability before Counterbalance resolves, i.e., before he knows whether or not Counterbalance would actually counter the spell. If your opponent plays Shusher's ability, you can respond by playing a Counterspell. Your opponent could respond by playing Shusher's ability again, so that it resolves before your Counterspell.
marriedwithchildren Member	posted May 31, 2009 08:46 PM Ok I kinda asked this before but just to make sure. My cousin can Tap his Sensei's TOP to draw a card and put the TOP on top. In Response he uses his Voltaic key to untap the TOP, then he'll pay 1 to look at the top three cards through the Sensei's TOPs ability but in response to looking at the top he tap's the TOP to draw a card. Then he will draw his card, look at the top 3 cards put them back in any order and draw another card while trying to put the TOP back but it is no longer in play. How about this? I tried to storm off but I got stumbled up trying to play a grim tutor. I played the tutor and passed priority to see if he was going to counter it. he passed it back, I then in response to the grim tutor resolving sac a Lion's Eye Diamond for 3 blue (Sacraficing my non-existing hand) going for Timetwister. He then stopped me telling me that he was going to counter the Grim in response to me sacraficing the Lion's Eye. Does the Grim get countered or would I get to finish storming off?
Godswill Member	posted May 31, 2009 09:28 PM quote: Originally posted by marriedwithchildren: Ok I kinda asked this before but just to make sure. My cousin can Tap his Sensei's TOP to draw a card and put the TOP on top. In Response he uses his Voltaic key to untap the TOP, then he'll pay 1 to look at the top three cards through the Sensei's TOPs ability but in response to looking at the top he tap's the TOP to draw a card. Then he will draw his card, look at the top 3 cards put them back in any order and draw another card while trying to put the TOP back but it is no longer in play. How about this? I tried to storm off but I got stumbled up trying to play a grim tutor. I played the tutor and passed priority to see if he was going to counter it. he passed it back, I then in response to the grim tutor resolving sac a Lion's Eye Diamond for 3 blue (Sacraficing my non-existing hand) going for Timetwister. He then stopped me telling me that he was going to counter the Grim in response to me sacraficing the Lion's Eye. Does the Grim get countered or would I get to finish storming off? 1. Sounds right 2. You can't respond to something resolving. And I don't see why he wouldn't just counter the Timetwister in the first place... However, what you can do is, if the Tutor resolves and you get the Twister, you can announce playing the Twister and pay for costs by sacing the LED.
marriedwithchildren Member	posted May 31, 2009 09:43 PM quote: Originally posted by Godswill: However, what you can do is, if the Tutor resolves and you get the Twister, you can announce playing the Twister and pay for costs by sacing the LED. You can't do that can you?
Pringlesman Member	posted June 01, 2009 12:40 AM Question: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Murderous Redcap Do the tokens persist make them come back, or do they get remeoved from the game when they go to the graveyard? quote: Originally posted by marriedwithchildren: You can't do that can you? Sure you can, it goes like this. Step 1: Play Demonic Tutor Step 2: In response, sac Lion's Eye Diamond for UUU, discard your hand. Step 3: Demonic tutor resolves finding card of your choice (in this case Timetwister) Step 4: Play Timetwister [Edited 1 times, lastly by Pringlesman on June 01, 2009]
JesusChristMD Member	posted June 01, 2009 12:57 AM I was under the impression that all tokens die once hitting GY, regardless of whether they are "clone" tokens. __________________ Quoth the Raven, "Nevermore"
Tha Gunslinga Moderator	posted June 01, 2009 06:42 AM quote: Originally posted by Godswill: However, what you can do is, if the Tutor resolves and you get the Twister, you can announce playing the Twister and pay for costs by sacing the LED. You can't do that anymore. LED has been errata'd so you cannot use it to pay for spells that are in your hand. Its best use is in response to a tutor or draw-7, or Yawgmoth's Will. __________________ MOTL's best sale July 18-19 ICBM Xtreme Open--Chicago, IL, 18 pieces of power. Be there.
iheartp9 Member	posted June 01, 2009 08:36 AM Like 'slinga has said, Lion's Eye Diamond has been errata'ed so you would need to sac it before you search for anything with Demonic. Also, one you and your opponent have both passed priority on Demonic Tutor it resolves and you would no longer have the chance to sac the Diamond before you search. The redcap tokens do have persist and they do hit the graveyard, and in fact the persist ability triggers. But when before the persist ability goes on the stack state based effects are checked and the tokens cease to exist. Note that they're not removed from game, they just stop existing, it might matter if you have something that says when a creature gets removed from the game, etc.
Godswill Member	posted June 01, 2009 05:52 PM quote: Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga: You can't do that anymore. LED has been errata'd so you cannot use it to pay for spells that are in your hand. Its best use is in response to a tutor or draw-7, or Yawgmoth's Will. Ahh... damn. Wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the correction.
iheartp9 Member	posted June 01, 2009 06:04 PM The reason is because Lion's Eye Diamond used to say "play this ability only when you could play a mana ability" and now it says "play this ability only anytime you could play an instant" which keeps you from doing it while playing a spell, i.e. timetwister.
riceboy6i9sd New Member	posted June 01, 2009 07:29 PM Quick Question Lets say garruk is at 4 loyalty counters, can I use his overrun ability, cast another Garruk and use an ability or would I have to wait until next turn? Thanks
Our_Benefactors Member	posted June 01, 2009 07:39 PM quote: Originally posted by riceboy6i9sd: Quick Question Lets say garruk is at 4 loyalty counters, can I use his overrun ability, cast another Garruk and use an ability or would I have to wait until next turn? Thanks You can cast a second garruk and use his ability this turn. Each time a permanent enters play, it is considered a new object.
Infinity-Exists Banned	posted June 02, 2009 10:58 AM Okay so here's what happened. My friend has a 3/3 , two 1/1's , and a 2/2. The 2/2 has the ability of "Sac: target creature gets +2+2 until end of turn. These four creatures would normally attack for 7. Now ... He declares all of them attacking , and then sacrifices the 2/2 to give the 3/3 +2+2 , hitting me for 8? Is this legal? Can damaged be changed once it's on the stack? [Edited 1 times, lastly by Infinity-Exists on June 02, 2009]
pyr0ma5ta Banned	posted June 02, 2009 11:01 AM quote: Originally posted by Infinity-Exists: Okay so here's what happened. My friend has a 3/3 , two 1/1's , and a 2/2. The 2/2 has the ability of "Sac: target creature gets +2+2 until end of turn. These four creatures would normally attack for 7. Now ... He declares all of them attacking , and then sacrifices the 2/2 to give the 3/3 +2+2 , hitting me for 8? Is this legal? Can damaged be changed once it's on the stack? Once damage is on the stack, the damage that the creature will be doing this round is locked in. It doesn't matter if its power changes after damage on the stack. In this situation, no matter what, your opponent could not profit damage by saccing his dude. __________________ This message brought to you by MOTL's very own fancy biologist. Originally posted by Battle_of_Twits: So during intertron, the sperm fertilizes the egg inside the intertubes, and nine months later you have a happy meme
GenghisTom Member	posted June 02, 2009 05:56 PM Lich's Mirror adjusts your life total to 20 therefore any trigger or effect pertaining to the gain or loss of life are accounted for. My question is, If you have Nefarious Lich in play and you lose because you can't remove any cards from your graveyard subsequent to damage, when the Lich's Mirror triggers would you draw cards from Nefarious Lich due to the life gain from Lich's Mirror before you shuffle all permanents, after you shuffle all permanents or at all?
jonathanmoi Member	posted June 02, 2009 06:09 PM I would like to know if a personne withe more ref or a seller can make me take responsability for the mail (his mail) if I don't whant to pay for registeret mail
caquaa Member	posted June 02, 2009 08:11 PM quote: Originally posted by jonathanmoi: I would like to know if a personne withe more ref or a seller can make me take responsability for the mail (his mail) if I don't whant to pay for registeret mail completely wrong thread, but yes. If you agree to it you're responsible.... either pay to protect the cards you're buying or take the chance, your call. __________________ -Caquaa caquaa@yahoo.com If at first you don’t succeed, failure may be your style.
nderdog Moderator	posted June 02, 2009 08:24 PM quote: Originally posted by jonathanmoi: I would like to know if a personne withe more ref or a seller can make me take responsability for the mail (his mail) if I don't whant to pay for registeret mail People can't make you take responsibility, but they can offer you the choice to either agree to those terms or not deal with you. It has nothing to do with ref counts, though. __________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here! All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
iheartp9 Member	posted June 02, 2009 09:28 PM Lich's Mirror doesn't have a triggered ability, it has a replacement effect that occurs when you would lose the game. The things on Lich's mirror happen in the order written on the card. So what happens is you would lose the game, instead you shuffle your hand, your graveyard, and all permanents you own into your library, this causes the nefarious lich's leaves play ability to trigger (but it's not put on the stack until after the replacement effect finishes). Then you gain life up to 20, but since the Nefarious Lich's no longer in play it's card draw ability doesn't trigger. Once all this has happened the lose game trigger goes on the stack. So in short you don't get to draw the cards and if you don't somehow stifle that trigger you lose the game.
marriedwithchildren Member	posted June 04, 2009 08:07 PM I have just cast Yawgmoths win, and start to play spells from my graveyard. I cast Ancestral Recall targeting me and my opponent casts misdirection. Now I have two Force of Wills in my yard, since the Will allows me to play cards in my graveyard as though they were in my hand could I remove one Force to the other Force to counter his Misdirection? Ethersworn Canonist says this "Each player who has played a nonartifact spell this turn can't play additional nonartifact spells." Does this count just for the turn that it comes into play or every turn?

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