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Originally posted by -PoX-:
Almost all the rares are bombs. 90+% of them are first picks.

Grasp of Darkness is definitely the best common though, with Galvanic Blast in second. Then maybe Sylvok Replica, Arrest, Shatter and Revoke Existence.
Sylvok replica is really powerful.

Revoke Existence and Arc Trail are SORCERIES People keep trying to cast them at end of turn / in response. NOPE.

Smiths in order > Ember > Myr > Riddle > Pain > Life
Trigons in order > Rage, Corruption, Infestation, thought, mending
Replicas in order > Sylvok, Vulshock, Moriok, Auriok, Neurok.
Spellbombs > Horizon, Origin, Panic, Flight, Nihil

Underdogs: Lumemgrid Drake, Molder Beast, Fume Spitter

Metalcraft seems pretty bad. They don't need to get you off metalcraft, they just kill your metalcraft guys and then all you have is crappy equips and myrs. Speaking of myrs, Myr battlesphere is SO busted : D

Sunspear Shikari and Goblin Graveleer keep making it around the table. They are the biggest swing cards in the set, sometimes being flat-out busted and unstoppable and sometimes just sitting there doing nothing or dying to random removal.

Tangle Angler is a monster in any deck.

Acid Web Spider, Skinrender and Oxidia Scrapmelter are all crazy good.

Tainted strike is terrible unless you built a bad deck and are playing against someone who sucks. Yeah, congrats on tainted striking your Steel Hellkite and winning a game you would have won anyway.

Accorder's Shield is the best common equip.

Don't play black for infect, the creatures are awful when compared to green, which are all excellent in even non-infect decks.
What you want in black is skinrender, necrogen scudder and grasp of darkness. The rest is junk. Blue/black are really miserable colors.

I've had decent success playing 3 colors as well. Since there are so many artifacts around, you're not dead in the water if you are color screwed for a while and the best non-black removal is easily splashed.

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I have a little different outlook than you.

Yes, most rares are bombs in this set. Hellkite, Sunblast Angel, Chimeric Mass, Ratchet Bomb, etc.
I agree with your assessment of the commons. The 5CC Artifact creature that has R: Gains First Strike is NASTY...destroys Infect.

I consider Myrsmith and Painsmith the best, painsmith has singlehandedly won me games in limited.

As for the Spellbombs, I consider Origin better than Horizon.

Trigons - Corruption and Infestion are better than Rage in my opinion.

Arc Trail, Volition Reins, and some of the Trigons, Contagion Clasp I feel are the best uncommons, as well as Darksteel Axe. Arc Trail powns infect as well.

I have to disagree about Metalcraft.
Auriok Skychaser is a HOUSE, as is Kemba Skyguard.
White/Red is powerful with arrests and removal.

I think the best common equipment is the 2CC Equip 2 Gains flying and first strike. There just isn't many ways to deal with flying in this set.

Best equipment period in my opinion is Strata Scythe in limited. Another house.

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Originally posted by stu55:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=274563

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+1 Stu. Half the responses were against non-MOTL sites and the other half were members of MTGS degrading MTGS. Ha. Especially when they were making fun of all the little kids on their site.

It's true, their evaluations of cards suck.

The only time I visit MTGS is for the spoiler.

Granted, MOTL sort of lacks on the Deck Building/Construction help, but it seems the main point of MOTL was to trade/sell. And it has a great system for that, much better than any forum.

People give MOTL crap because some members are very intolerant of people joining, but the majority of the time it's because the new member says something stupid, and people jump all over it. We can be a little over-intolerant, but meh, it's better than letting every average joe that says dumb stuff all the time.
It can even be looked at that we are doing a service for those people, so they don't embarass themselves more than once. Ha.

The last paragraph was slightly sarcastic, and slightly true.
Whatever.

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Originally posted by stu55:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=274563

lol

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Salvation is more welcoming and therefore has more members. It often seems like many members here wish MOTL were invitation only, but in reality that can't be true, because then they couldn't get their kicks from bashing and chasing away ignorant people. That is sadism by definition. Pointing out someone's flaws and yelling them to the world is insecure behavior, but this is part of MOTL's M.O.

In my first post here I got dumped on for pointing out MOTL's obvious fascism, but I knew what I was getting into and still enjoy it here for the most part due to the higher percentage of informed posters.

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Originally posted by Harmless:

But like I said, there is nothing inherently wrong with either site.

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Originally posted by -PoX-:
HE'S ONE OF THEM, GET HIM!

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Haha, being impartial is often more unpopular than picking a side.

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Originally posted by Eatatjoes:
Right now the metagame is uw control, P.titan decks, and the uw lists have to be heavily metagamed to have at least a 50% chance

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linky to the lists you're referring to?

And you're correct. IN my testing u/w loses to primeval titan decks, doesn't matter what flavor. It defiantly requires some non traditional control elements, but the only thing that came to mind vs valakut ramp was leyline of sanctity. What else are they running?

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Originally posted by caquaa:
linky to the lists you're referring to?

And you're correct. IN my testing u/w loses to primeval titan decks, doesn't matter what flavor. It defiantly requires some non traditional control elements, but the only thing that came to mind vs valakut ramp was leyline of sanctity. What else are they running?

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Originally posted by Harmless:
Salvation has an abundance of loudmouth newbs and MOTL has an abundance of loudmouth snobs. Pick your poison.

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+1

So, in casual, U/G/B, or U/B renegade doppelganger infect decks are tearing people's faces off here. I was really happy though, because one of our newer players who has had a lot of trouble making standard decks built this one, and she absolutely trainwrecked one of our regulars here who has an unwarranted ego.

Turn 1 - Land, birds
Turn 2 - land, lotus cobra
turn 3 - land, renegade doppelganger
turn 4 - fetch land, putrefax, vines of the vastwood on the one her opponent tries to remove

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Originally posted by Harmless:
Salvation has an abundance of loudmouth newbs and MOTL has an abundance of loudmouth snobs. Pick your poison.

Salvation is more welcoming and therefore has more members. It often seems like many members here wish MOTL were invitation only, but in reality that can't be true, because then they couldn't get their kicks from bashing and chasing away ignorant people. That is sadism by definition. Pointing out someone's flaws and yelling them to the world is insecure behavior, but this is part of MOTL's M.O.

In my first post here I got dumped on for pointing out MOTL's obvious fascism, but I knew what I was getting into and still enjoy it here for the most part due to the higher percentage of informed posters.

But like I said, there is nothing inherently wrong with either site. There are sufficient options on the net to please all tastes.

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Originally posted by Harmless:
Pointing out someone's flaws and yelling them to the world is insecure behavior, but this is part of MOTL's M.O.

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That doesn't sound like the site I've known for the last ten years. MOTL is one of the few places where that kind of behaviour is not, in fact, (usually, at least) tolerated.

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In my first post here I got dumped on for pointing out MOTL's obvious fascism, but I knew what I was getting into and still enjoy it here for the most part due to the higher percentage of informed posters.

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What post would that be, and what fascism are you referring to? Running a search, I could only find seventeen threads that you've posted in, and none sounds (from its title) like it's what you have in mind.

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Originally posted by stu55:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=274563

lol

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Gotta love stupid people trying to defend something from criticism. Either they go on the attack ("you're just jealous!", "you have no life"), try to make the target unassailable ("its all subjective so that's just your opinion"), or they come back with something totally irrelevant ("where's YOUR [thing which is in the same category as the target]?").

It never gets old.

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Originally posted by stacker:
just picked up my 4th survival

anyone have thoughts on whether to spend the same amount on 4 venges or 1 retainers?

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Originally posted by stu55:
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Rather have 'snobs' than the newbs like you posting

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The fact that you continually prove my points aside, I again admit that there's really nothing wrong with wanting such a thing. You seem to take offense to the word snob, and I don't think you should. Like I said, each site has it's own flavor and caters to a different crowd.

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a distinction between 'noob' and 'newb'. 'Newb' being someone who is new to something (in which case you are correct, I am new here) and 'noob' being someone who is a continuing failure. Many people on Salvation are new to the game, many are failures, and they are not mutually exclusive.

I know no one likes to be called a snob, so I'm sorry if it is upsetting. I'm also sorry that I am new here. I'm not trying to troll anyone here; I'm just trying to give some perspective.

@Goaswerfraiejen: I appreciate the thoughtful response. I'm sure you have a different take on things given your obviously more prolific MOTL history. I haven't been lurking here long (although much longer than my join date would suggest) and I constantly see posts being ridiculed, especially if the poster is a 'newb'. Case in point: stu's response to me.

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Originally posted by Harmless:
The fact that you continually prove my points aside, I again admit that there's really nothing wrong with wanting such a thing. You seem to take offense to the word snob, and I don't think you should. Like I said, each site has it's own flavor and caters to a different crowd.

And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that there was a distinction between 'noob' and 'newb'. 'Newb' being someone who is new to something (in which case you are correct, I am new here) and 'noob' being someone who is a continuing failure. Many people on Salvation are new to the game, many are failures, and they are not mutually exclusive.

I know no one likes to be called a snob, so I'm sorry if it is upsetting. I'm also sorry that I am new here. I'm not trying to troll anyone here; I'm just trying to give some perspective.

@Goaswerfraiejen: I appreciate the thoughtful response. I'm sure you have a different take on things given your obviously more prolific MOTL history. I haven't been lurking here long (although much longer than my join date would suggest) and I constantly see posts being ridiculed, especially if the poster is a 'newb'. Case in point: stu's response to me.

To reiterate, MOTL can be a hostile environment for new users and is not welcome of dissenting opinions. I just find it interesting that people are not aware of the way they are presenting themselves. Again, sorry to anyone who takes offense to my choice of words; I am just trying to be as objective as I can.

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And I haven't had a prolific history here? Haha, you are a joke. You don't get it, get off your white horse, the newbs we make of here, like you, just ask obvious questions and don't care to do any research on their own first.

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Originally posted by stacker:
just picked up my 4th survival

anyone have thoughts on whether to spend the same amount on 4 venges or 1 retainers?

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try necrotic ooze, triskellion, and phyrexian devourer. But i think that is more of a buried alive reanimater version. still new though so it may not even work, plus you have to add black,but its cheap.

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Originally posted by stu55:
And I haven't had a prolific history here? Haha, you are a joke. You don't get it, get off your white horse, the newbs we make of here, like you, just ask obvious questions and don't care to do any research on their own first.

Its easy to see why you defend salvation

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I honestly didn't think I was defending or ever did defend Salvation. I was simply offering a counterpoint. And I didn't mean to imply that you don't have a prolific history here, I just referred to Goaswerfraiejen's because he specifically brought it up.

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Originally posted by stu55:
And I haven't had a prolific history here? Haha, you are a joke. You don't get it, get off your white horse, the newbs we make of here, like you, just ask obvious questions and don't care to do any research on their own first.

Its easy to see why you defend salvation

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Stop being an *******.