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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
I really don't see the problem. This is exactly what card shops do.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
I really don't see the problem. This is exactly what card shops do.

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I dont see a problem with it either. If you don't like it move on to the next post. Nothing says you have to buy and sell from this guy. I have seen points based traders that have way worse offers then this guy.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
He's not a card shop with overhead. He's just looking to profit in his trades.

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I see zero issues when it's buying/selling and his prices are OK. Usually when people do this, prices tend to be on the laughable and insulting side. Only some of them are in this case, namely the fetchlands. Others are fine and reasonable.

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/089499.html

Oh joy, more people trying to exploit the system, even if his prices aren't half bad.

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Originally posted by lordofthepit23:
I have no problem with what he's doing. Not sure why you called him out on his thread.

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and who is to say he doesn't have overhead? Don't know about anyone else but I prefer to not assume things about anything.

Quick glance says he might be trying to get into the singles market, which could mean that what we see here is only but a part of the whole..

*Shrugs* but that's just me.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Least I'm not the only one who thought what he was doing wasn't so bad.

and who is to say he doesn't have overhead? Don't know about anyone else but I prefer to not assume things about anything.

Quick glance says he might be trying to get into the singles market, which could mean that what we see here is only but a part of the whole..

*Shrugs* but that's just me.

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If you don't have a problem with it, by all means give him business. There are many who do, including the 1st 3 posts on his list. Calling them out for it is wrong, they are just trying to warn people.

That being said, I can't blame people for acting like wolves when MOTL has so many sheep that are willing to be fleeced by them.

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Originally posted by rats60:
If you don't have a problem with it, by all means give him business. There are many who do, including the 1st 3 posts on his list. Calling them out for it is wrong, they are just trying to warn people.

Last time I looked, it is free to buy and sell on MOTL, so no he has no overhead.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
I don't know why people get so mad at this, who buys and sells at the same price?

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Originally posted by rats60:
See the post above yours. If this was the guy's website, you'd have a point. When did MOTL become a free website host for guys too cheap to start their own website?

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Since always?

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
On a different topic, I'm currently in a trade where I'm looking to pick up a playset of spell snares. Up until today, I thought there were $2-3 each. Today I realize they are not. Should I trade what their value are today? Is there any chance they will get reprinted (in a set, not in box/promo form) which will inevitably tank their value?

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Originally posted by caquaa:
its $4, maybe $5.. and you're worried about it's value? dropping... seems paranoid. Its cheap, who cares.

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A set is $16-20

If it gets reprinted (in uncommon rarity) it tanks to $1 maybe $2. That's $4-8 a set.

That's a loss of $8-12

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
I don't know why people get so mad at this, who buys and sells at the same price?

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My issue, and I think this is what people are getting at, is that a BUSINESS has an interest in buying things they already have and are willing to sell, and so yes a standard markup applies to make their business profitable.

But if I'm just a person, who is presumably getting cards for my own personal use and not to sell to other people, I shouldn't be both buying -and- selling the same card anyway. If I already have them, I don't need them. And if I do need them, I don't have them to sell.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
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That's a loss of $8-12

That's pretty significant.

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Eight bucks is nothing in Magic. Just go for it.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
That's a loss of $8-12

That's pretty significant.

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Originally posted by Mr.C:
If you can't afford to lose $10, it's probably not a good idea to play a game that is essentially a money pit.

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QFT. Random cards bounce around in value all the time. If you need them now, pay/trade for them at what they're worth right now.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Do you have an extra $1.5K at your disposal? I recommend you buy the collection with cards that help you win.

I believe his spell book of cards speaks for itself.

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what a trashpile. wow.

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Originally posted by thror:
what a trashpile. wow.

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Congratulations on making the complete asinine argument ever.

"if you can't afford a $10 hit, then you shouldn't be playing a game that is a huge money pit anyways"?

LOL. what a ******* remark. I guarantee you, yourself, would never in a million years make a trade where $10 is 20% of the trade value and then do it 100 times (I mean, that's $1,000 and that isn't chump change).

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"in the context of cost of magic cards, it really isn't. Care to calculate the average cost of a deck that would play spell snare? I'm guessing $12 isn't even a drop in the bucket, unless you're playing some terrible list that is. "

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Who said I was playing anything? When did that have to factor into the equation? To be honest, if I needed anything for a tournament, I'd just buy the cards myself because trading with people online is such a pain (in most cases). You either get 5 to 10 ******* offers. 2 people with realistic offers and 1 who's like, wait, I'm not profiting at all, better stop responding and ignore this person. So if you're lucky, you get 1 out of 10 people to trade with you (hell, if you're really lucky, it's 1 out 5).

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Random cards bounce around in value all the time. If you need them now, pay/trade for them at what they're worth right now.

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Obviously cards bounce around in value all the time. I was asking if anyone had any thoughts about the value of a certain card and I basically got the equivalent of spit in my face because I dare ask the value/speculation of a $4-5 card.

I'm not new to this scene. I've sold/traded/bought/played this game off and on for a good 10 years. I know what a money sink this game can be. I also know how profitable this game can be when you're on top of your **** on values.

I thought I'd come on here and ask because I respected MOTL's intelligence because they've been around the block and back, but instead I get spat in my face by 3 different people.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
LOL. what a ******* remark. I guarantee you, yourself, would never in a million years make a trade where $10 is 20% of the trade value and then do it 100 times (I mean, that's $1,000 and that isn't chump change).

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