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Originally posted by wayne:

Probably both, either increased supply or decreased demand are enough on their own to result in a price decrease.

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Guess question then becomes, where does it settle, and how long before it may rise back up? Assuming that happens at all.

Just kind of curious seeing how It's Iconic, Mythic, low cost, versatile, and played in nearly anything that can support it, yet has been dropping in value, which correct me if i'm wrong, hasn't happened before.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Scrubland (RV), 42.80, 10.52, 42.97, 50.00, 31.00, 0.88, 34

Tropical Island (RV), 71.54, 9.51, 73.01, 102.50, 61.11, 0.40, 34

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Guess question then becomes, where does it settle, and how long before it may rise back up? Assuming that happens at all.

Just kind of curious seeing how It's Iconic, Mythic, low cost, versatile, and played in nearly anything that can support it, yet has been dropping in value, which correct me if i'm wrong, hasn't happened before.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Guess question then becomes, where does it settle, and how long before it may rise back up? Assuming that happens at all.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Guess question then becomes, where does it settle, and how long before it may rise back up? Assuming that happens at all.

Just kind of curious seeing how It's Iconic, Mythic, low cost, versatile, and played in nearly anything that can support it, yet has been dropping in value, which correct me if i'm wrong, hasn't happened before.

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It's a giant mystery like the stock market.

I'm still trying to figure out how Dark Confidant is valued much higher than onslaught fetchlands. I thought Dark Confidant would crash after it was a bust in Modern, but hasn't moved much it actually skyrocketed and then went down just a little.

This card gets less play and is newer than P.Deed, Maze, City of Traitors, Natural Order (though this is seeing less and less), Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond (etc), but is valued higher than all of these.

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Originally posted by Bagbokk:
It'd logically have to be decreased demand, but I'm just picking at random details...

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How do you figure? Increased supply seems pretty obvious. Lots of product is being opened still, with some of the recent GP Trials using sealed format, and people still drafting and kids cracking packs and all.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
It's a giant mystery like the stock market.

I'm still trying to figure out how Dark Confidant is valued much higher than onslaught fetchlands. I thought Dark Confidant would crash after it was a bust in Modern, but hasn't moved much it actually skyrocketed and then went down just a little.

This card gets less play and is newer than P.Deed, Maze, City of Traitors, Natural Order (though this is seeing less and less), Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond (etc), but is valued higher than all of these.

It gets almost no play in Modern. I see Loam lists without it and I figure that's where he should be as he's in Loam for Legacy.

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I've maintained for a while that Bob is the best creature ever printed, and I still stand by it. Granted, everything you've said is true, and there isn't a reason for it being as high as it is. That said though, I think he's just waiting in the wings for the right deck to take off. I run him in my Rock deck, and he's probably a bigger threat to my opponent than a Stoneforge. And on the other side, if I'm staring down a Bob and Goyf, unless the Goyf will kill me immediately, I'll always kill the Bob. Two or three turns worth of card advantage will change the game.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
I'm still trying to figure out how Dark Confidant is valued much higher than onslaught fetchlands. I thought Dark Confidant would crash after it was a bust in Modern, but hasn't moved much it actually skyrocketed and then went down just a little.

This card gets less play and is newer than P.Deed, Maze, City of Traitors, Natural Order (though this is seeing less and less), Mox Diamond, Lion's Eye Diamond (etc), but is valued higher than all of these.

It gets almost no play in Modern. I see Loam lists without it and I figure that's where he should be as he's in Loam for Legacy.

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One thing Medina has right is Price Memory. Mostly that cards jump in price super quick but take forever to come back down regardless of play. People that bought Confidants during the hype jumped in at different points. Some at $20, some at $25, even more at $30, etc, etc.

Those on the higher end of the buy in are hesitant to sell for less than what they paid so their cards are effectively off the market, keeping the supply down and keeping the price up, justifying them not selling their copies and the cycle continues.

The fact that its actually a good card that just needs the right home also keeps people from selling to not miss out on having it when they need it.

Another example are cards like Tabernacle that jumps from $100ish to $200+ when 43 Lands did well at a couple SCG Opens early on. It hasn't seen any kind of serious tournament play since then but Tabernacle is still ridiculously high. Also see P3K cards like Strategic Planning.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
... I know exactly zero people locally that play it. The consensus here is, "well, I've already shelled out the money for duals, I'm sticking with Legacy."

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Yes but, you live in an area of the country that there is active Legacy. Searching within 30 miles of your location there looks like there are 5 places that have "regular" Legacy play. Searching around me, within 100 miles, zero.

So of course, if you have the cards to play Legacy and you have a steady place to play it, why not play it.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
How do you figure? Increased supply seems pretty obvious. Lots of product is being opened still, with some of the recent GP Trials using sealed format, and people still drafting and kids cracking packs and all.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Has anyone ever bought some of those repacks on ebay? They seem to be for suckers, but I am super curious

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Originally posted by caquaa:
for curious suckers... lol. Don't do it. I think you'd have better odds buying a lotto ticket.

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Unless it's a new dude who just started

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Originally posted by caquaa:
for curious suckers... lol. Don't do it. I think you'd have better odds buying a lotto ticket.

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Originally posted by Heresy19:
Unless it's a new dude who just started

A couple of years ago I bought the first 10 repacks of 2 ''repackers'' and I got a Savannah NM and a Force of Will EX+ with other goodies. They often start by sending valuable cards for the first few buyers to get awesome refs with comments saying that they got big cards and then the crap starts endlessly flowing.

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I'm sure there are some honest repackers (I've bought one from MOTL many many years ago, I guess before they were banned), but repacks are too easy to manipulate. The whole point of repacks is to get more value from the collection than it's actually worth, so no one's ever going to buy all X repacks available from someone, hence always leaving them the opportunity to keep the highest value cards. And because it's supposed to be random, you can't legitimately complain when you don't get the one Lotus they have there no matter how much you spent, if you didn't buy all of them.

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Originally posted by fluffycow:
Has anyone ever bought some of those repacks on ebay? They seem to be for suckers, but I am super curious

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Basically, I'm trying to read the Time Spiral novel, but it's grating. I'm not sure I want to put in the time to read the whole thing, but I'm absolutely interested in the mtg storyline. I guess mostly anything connected to Dominaria, but I am interested in learning about what's been happening with everything in general.

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Originally posted by Denizen:
Are there any good places to find, I guess summations of M:tG historical storylines?

Basically, I'm trying to read the Time Spiral novel, but it's grating. I'm not sure I want to put in the time to read the whole thing, but I'm absolutely interested in the mtg storyline. I guess mostly anything connected to Dominaria, but I am interested in learning about what's been happening with everything in general.

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