Le Sigh.

What's the best way to get rid of a bunch of small random playable stuff? I dislike the idea of bulking it out.

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We decided to risk it and both of us drew, and if we manage to win at least one of the next two, we could both get in. We both lost round 4, making both of us 2-1-1, and we both could lose and get eliminated. Fortunately, we both won and he got 3rd seed, I got 6th.

Unfortunately, that means we get paired up in the top 8 and face each other immediately. He asks if I want to split; I like my chances against his deck and decide to just play it out. I win 2-0, including a clutch play game one with an unexpected card, and a misplay on his part that cost him the match in game two. I win in the semi-finals, despite having to mulligan to five on the play in game three. In the finals, karma comes back to bite me a bit, as I propose a split and my opponent decides against it. I lose in two games and he gets the $220, while I get $110.

-Butthead

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2.12 Electronic Devices
Players may use electronic devices to do the following:
• Keep track of life totals or other game-relevant information.
• Take and review notes (as outlined in section 2.11).
• Generate a random number when the game calls for one.
• Briefly answer personal calls not related to the game (with permission of the opponent).
Players may not use electronic devices to access outside strategic sources (websites, forums, etc) or communicate with others in order to receive outside assistance. Players that spend excessive time on any of the above uses of electronic devices may be subject to Slow Play penalties.
Players wishing to view information privately on electronic devices during matches must request permission from a judge.
The Head Judge of an event may further restrict or forbid the use of electronic devices during matches.

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2.11 Taking Notes

Players may refer to Oracle text, either electronically or in paper form, at any time. They must do so publicly and in a format (such as gatherer.wizards.com, other official Wizards of the Coast sources, or printouts of their sources) which contains no other strategic information. If a player wishes to view Oracle text in private, he or she must ask a judge.

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2.13 Life Totals
At the start of a match, each player must indicate how he or she will keep track of his or her life total. This method must be visible to both players during the match. A shared method is acceptable as long as all players in the match have access to it.
A change in a player’s life total should be accompanied by a verbal announcement by that player of the new life total.
If a player notices a discrepancy in a recorded or announced life total, he or she is expected to point it out as soon as the discrepancy is noticed. Failure to do so will be considered a Cheating – Fraud penalty.

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2.2 Play/Draw Rule

In certain Premier tournament playoff matches (Magic: The Gathering Players Championship, World Magic Cup, World Magic Cup Qualifiers, Pro Tour, Pro Tour Qualifier, and Grand Prix), a different play/draw rule is used. In these playoff matches, the player that was ranked higher in the Swiss rounds chooses either to play first or to play second in the first game of each match. For the second and subsequent games, the loser of the previous game decides whether to play first in the next game. This alternate play/draw rule may be used in other tournament playoff matches. If used, this must be announced prior to the start of the tournament.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
There are things I like and things I dislike about the above rules but probably they are overall good.

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dislike? it seems like everything except for the play/draw rule is stuff people have been doing already. We now have the rules to cover if its okay or not.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
dislike? it seems like everything except for the play/draw rule is stuff people have been doing already. We now have the rules to cover if its okay or not.

Play/draw rule makes sense. Give an advantage to those who are doing better. Even gives undefeated players an incentive to play.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I'm not really a fan of electronic devices but at least they are putting in writing rules on them

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I'm so glad I can use my tablet at the larger events for keeping up on life totals. It's much more convenient having one screen between us that we can both see and ensure we're both on the same page, and have a history easily reviewable if we're unsure if something is correct.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I'm so glad I can use my tablet at the larger events for keeping up on life totals. It's much more convenient having one screen between us that we can both see and ensure we're both on the same page, and have a history easily reviewable if we're unsure if something is correct.

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I don't think you can use a tablet, you dont have much room at larger events for that on the table.

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Originally posted by stu55:

I don't think you can use a tablet, you dont have much room at larger events for that on the table.

Also, the judges are going to be siding with the guy that has marked each change on paper with notes over the guy just using their device to change life totals

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I disagree on both counts. I'm pretty sure that there is an 8 inch long by 2 inch wide space available for a tablet to be set up, at least there has been every single event I've ever attended, and if the judge sides with the person with scores that only they can see and not the big total that both people have been looking at the whole game that does show every single change of totals the whole game, something is seriously wrong.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
I disagree on both counts. I'm pretty sure that there is an 8 inch long by 2 inch wide space available for a tablet to be set up, at least there has been every single event I've ever attended, and if the judge sides with the person with scores that only they can see and not the big total that both people have been looking at the whole game that does show every single change of totals the whole game, something is seriously wrong.

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Def been in events where it is tight in space and i dont see a tablet fitting..

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Originally posted by stu55:

Def been in events where it is tight in space and i dont see a tablet fitting..

As for the life total thing, the guy with paper will be able to provide every incremental change while the guy with the tablet will just have a life total and their word.

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Not exactly. Many of the apps have a history that shows the progression of life total changes.

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Not exactly. Many of the apps have a history that shows the progression of life total changes.

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19 F
18 FoW
16 ~ (attack)
15 F

This way I know i took 2 from fetch, 1 from fow, 2 from attack, if my opponent just has this on his screen
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Specific questions:
1. Do they fit with the perfect fits?
2. Can you see through the METALLIC KMC sleeves? I would hate to buy them for all of my decks only to find out that I can play Delver of Secrets and other flip cards. This is an important issue. I do have some of the KMC Super Orange sleeves and you can see through them. I would like to avoid that.

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Originally posted by stu55:

Def been in events where it is tight in space and i dont see a tablet fitting..

As for the life total thing, the guy with paper will be able to provide every incremental change while the guy with the tablet will just have a life total and their word.

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Really? I've never been anywhere where there wasn't 2 inches of space in front of the table numbers. Seems like if space is that tight, there isn't room to put a notepad either and keep it in view at all times like the rules require.

If you really feel the need to take detailed notes about every life change, then yes, a tablet might not be the best option. I tend to assume my opponent isn't either too stupid or too shady to not address an incorrect life total staring him in the face in a timely manner so as to require a judge to settle the issue.

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Really? I've never been anywhere where there wasn't 2 inches of space in front of the table numbers.

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you didn't go to states when it was held at Borderlands in Salem then. They packed it so tight because they had more people then they had room for and eventually turned a few people away. Thats why states is back in Portland again. The PTQs at the old ambridge event center in Portland were cramped at times too. The space provided had players overlapping their play mats or just putting them away. In a situation like that, I certainly wouldn't appreciate a bunch of table space being taken up by someone's tablet. Thankfully, the facilities we have now to run these events in our area are much more spacious. Guardian's PTQs have had a lower then expected turn out, therefore more space. Anything Cascade games runs is either the convention center or the new ambridge event center, both have tons of space.

Also Nderdog, I feel you're playing in a slightly more casual way then what stu is refering to. You go to large events like GPs to have fun. When I go, I'm shooting for a top 8 as my goal. The higher level play does tend to require a bit more information at times. I actually had a situation where both myself and my opponent felt we both had won a game, but it wasn't discovered until we were trying to figure out who goes first for the next game (it was very awkward). In the end, it was ruled in my favor due to the clarity of my notes vs his. Prior to my taking better notes about changes in life total, I lost a game where I should have won. My opponent had me 2 life lower then I did because he didn't note the life gain. When we went through changes in life total I had forgotten about it and agreed to his notes on the life total and died.... only remembering why when I drew the life gain card the following game. Oops

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I certainly wouldn't appreciate a bunch of table space being taken up by someone's tablet.

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I think you guys are WAY overestimating the amount of space that a tablet in a stand takes up. It's less than a notepad, trust me.

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