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Topic: The post for Magic Stuff part 70: Gettin' old, aren't we?
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rats60 Member
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posted May 15, 2012 08:44 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Bagbokk: Maybe, but I dunno. I'd never lose value on a NPH box (at least not a month or two ago), but having a pile of $1 uncommons in the set helps and I don't know if AVR has any of those. Still seems pretty easy to break even on at least the Rares/Mythics though.
That's because you got the best box for mythics. Just wait until you open the box where your mythics are Craterhoof Behemoth, Malignus, Misthollow Griffin and Primal Surge.
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Bagbokk Member
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posted May 15, 2012 04:41 PM

quote: Originally posted by rats60: That's because you got the best box for mythics. Just wait until you open the box where your mythics are Craterhoof Behemoth, Malignus, Misthollow Griffin and Primal Surge.
I got Malignus and Primal Surge too. I don't know, I know I got pretty lucky on most of the Mythics, but if Vexing Devil is still at $10 as a rare, and Cavern of Souls at whatever it is as a rare, it seems like the likelihood of at least breaking even is fairly high unless you get unlucky. I guess it sort of depends how the uncommons in the set do--again, NPH having like 5-6 uncommons worth ~$1 jacked up the EV of a box by a whole bunch, you could usually expect an easy $10+ just from uncommons so even if you hit a pretty crappy box it's still probably worth $75. I'll probably keep these sealed for a little bit though.
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WeedIan Member
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posted May 15, 2012 08:52 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Bagbokk: I got Malignus and Primal Surge too. I don't know, I know I got pretty lucky on most of the Mythics, but if Vexing Devil is still at $10 as a rare, and Cavern of Souls at whatever it is as a rare, it seems like the likelihood of at least breaking even is fairly high unless you get unlucky. I guess it sort of depends how the uncommons in the set do--again, NPH having like 5-6 uncommons worth ~$1 jacked up the EV of a box by a whole bunch, you could usually expect an easy $10+ just from uncommons so even if you hit a pretty crappy box it's still probably worth $75. I'll probably keep these sealed for a little bit though.
Its also a bigger set so you won't get as lucky.
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Kyosukee Member
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posted May 16, 2012 07:49 AM

I've always had a general sense of what god rules are, but does anyone have them in a handy dandy condensed form? I've just been assuming that the people I trade with are just seriously devout in whatever religion they adhere to.
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psrex Member
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posted May 16, 2012 09:13 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Kyosukee: I've always had a general sense of what god rules are, but does anyone have them in a handy dandy condensed form? I've just been assuming that the people I trade with are just seriously devout in whatever religion they adhere to.
From the MOTL FAQ: Q: What does "God rules apply" mean? A: This usually apply to sales and auctions. God rules mean that the person posting the auction or sale is not obligated to sell anything if they don't feel they've been offered a good enough price for their item. This also means that the person selling or auctioning can withdraw any item up for bid/sale for any reason and without notice.
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ectomanic Member
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posted May 17, 2012 12:54 AM

any good sites to see what being played in modern? im considering going to gp columbus and would like to figure out what should expect and prepare for.
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ikris Member
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posted May 17, 2012 04:17 AM

I love paying less for foil Duals on MTGO than people pay for bad condition, white-bordered Duals on paper.
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AGO Member
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posted May 17, 2012 04:27 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by ectomanic: any good sites to see what being played in modern? im considering going to gp columbus and would like to figure out what should expect and prepare for.
http://mtgpulse.com/events-modern
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Absurd90 Member
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posted May 17, 2012 12:57 PM

quote: Originally posted by ikris: I love paying less for foil Duals on MTGO than people pay for bad condition, white-bordered Duals on paper.
I'd be so happy if FOWs were priced more be reasonable on MTGO.
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yakusoku Member
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posted May 17, 2012 04:50 PM

In case some of you missed it: Offical Ruling from Toby Elliot regarding Cavern of Souls.If a spell could be cast using either ability of Cavern of Souls, that player must specify that he is using the second ability.
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skizzikmonger Member
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posted May 17, 2012 04:58 PM

quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: In case some of you missed it: Offical Ruling from Toby Elliot regarding Cavern of Souls.If a spell could be cast using either ability of Cavern of Souls, that player must specify that he is using the second ability.
Was this a problem that needed clarifying? In Wolf Run Ramp, should I run 4 Glimmerpost main & 3 Cavern of Souls in the board, or 3 Caverns main & 0 Glimmerposts?
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yakusoku Member
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posted May 17, 2012 06:32 PM

quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Was this a problem that needed clarifying?
It was a problem, especially when the player with Cavern of Souls thinks he was doing one thing and another player doesn't clarify things and responds with Mana Leak. Is the spell counterable or not? Let's say that you have a Cavern of Souls set to "Human", a Forest, an Inkmoth Nexus, and a Kessig Wolf Run. You cast Huntmaster of the Fells. Your opponent responds with Mana Leak. What happens? Now, let's say that you have a Cavern of Souls set to "Human", a Forest, a Mountain, and an Inkmoth Nexus. You cast Huntmaster of the Fells. Your opponent responds with Mana Leak. What happens? In the first scenario, the only way that you can generate a red mana is by using Cavern's second ability, which makes the Huntmaster unable to be countered. In the second scenario, it's not so clear. If you tapped Cavern of Souls for Red or Green mana, or even if you tapped it for Black, White, or Blue mana, the Huntmaster can't be countered. If you tapped it for colorless, it can be countered. The first player will probably argue that he intended for the Huntmaster to be unable to be countered and the second player will say that the first player did not explicitly state he was adding mana of any color and that's the only reason he played Mana Leak. Now, we have a clear ruling on what happens here. In the second scenario, if the first player says, "I tap my Cavern of Souls to add RED mana", then it can't be countered. If he just taps his four lands and casts Huntmaster, it's now assumed that since he could tap the forest for green, mountain for red, and the Caverns for colorless, that's what he did, since he did not explicitly state otherwise. quote:
In Wolf Run Ramp, should I run 4 Glimmerpost main & 3 Cavern of Souls in the board, or 3 Caverns main & 0 Glimmerposts?
Neither. You should run 4 Glimmerpost main and 0 Caverns main, with 2-3 copies in the sideboard. Decks with counterspells aren't as popular as creature decks where the Glimmerpost will matter more. Glimmerpost, Inkmoth Nexus, and Kessig Wolf Run are all lands that don't add colored mana for Green Sun's Zenith, Rampant Growth, Whipflare, or Slagstorm. There's a limit to how many of these lands you can play, and trying to run a full set of Glimmerpost AND add in Caverns is too much, IMO. Delver often doesn't even run a full set of Mana Leak pre-sideboard, and post-sideboard, Autumn of Veils may be a much stronger option, frankly. Cavern of Souls can't protect your Green Sun's Zenith and Autumn's Veil stops Vapor Snag. This is what I've been running since AVR came out: 4 Glimmerpost 3 Inkmoth Nexus 2 Kessig Wolf Run 4 Copperline Gorge 4 Rootbound Crag 6 Forest 3 Mountain 1 Birds of Paradise 4 Huntmaster of the Fells 4 Solemn Simulacrum 1 Acidic Slime 4 Primeval Titan 4 Green Sun's Zenith 4 Rampant Growth 4 Slagstorm 2 Whipflare 2 Devil's Play 4 Sphere of the Suns The sideboard varies, but usually I have some number of Cavern of Souls, Autumn's Veil, Combust, Naturalize, Karn Liberated, Batterskull, and Beast Within. If I suspect there's going to be something like Frites (Standard reanimator), I'll consider adding graveyard hate (Surgical Extraction).
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gcowhsu Member
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posted May 17, 2012 07:43 PM
  
are there any good commons in the ravnica block that are sellable?
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flophaus Member
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posted May 17, 2012 08:49 PM

Can someone explain to me why Herald of War is so worthless value-wise?I pulled it and read it and I thought hmm... gotta be at least a few bucks. Yeah... like a few cents was more like it. Why? I am not trolling, just honestly curious.
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junichi Moderator
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posted May 17, 2012 08:57 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by flophaus: Can someone explain to me why Herald of War is so worthless value-wise?I pulled it and read it and I thought hmm... gotta be at least a few bucks. Yeah... like a few cents was more like it. Why? I am not trolling, just honestly curious.
Too slow and too small. The 2nd ability is irrelevant because most of the time, all the humans you wanted to play are cast before this angel hits play. __________________ MOTL Fantasy NBA 2010 ChampionYou know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help.
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revenger Member
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posted May 17, 2012 10:28 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by flophaus:Can someone explain to me why Herald of War is so worthless value-wise? I pulled it and read it and I thought hmm... gotta be at least a few bucks. Yeah... like a few cents was more like it. Why? I am not trolling, just honestly curious.
Herald of War is in an Intro deck of Avacyn Restored. Unless your name is Uwezawa Jitte, it's usually very low value and practical purposes, crap.__________________ Motl member since November 1, 2000Your 2008 and 2010 Motl Siskel & Ebert award winner! 34th in refs on Motl! First in refs in state of Arizona! I offer 3rd party trades. Email me if interested.
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ikris Member
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posted May 17, 2012 11:39 PM

quote: Originally posted by Absurd90: I'd be so happy if FOWs were priced more be reasonable on MTGO.
Yeah, that is certainly a concern for the online Eternal formats but realistically, the premium you pay for Force of Will on MTGO compared to its paper counterpart is completely offset by the fact that almost every other Eternal staple is a great deal cheaper online.
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wayne Member
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posted May 18, 2012 12:38 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by ikris: Yeah, that is certainly a concern for the online Eternal formats but realistically, the premium you pay for Force of Will on MTGO compared to its paper counterpart is completely offset by the fact that almost every other Eternal staple is a great deal cheaper online.
I believe there are a lot less people playing Eternal formats online as compared to real life.
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ikris Member
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posted May 18, 2012 12:47 AM

quote: Originally posted by wayne: I believe there are a lot less people playing Eternal formats online as compared to real life.
I'd be willing to bet its pretty close if you take Pauper into account. Correct me if I'm wrong since I don't follow paper Magic much but Pauper is an MTGO only, Eternal format, correct? Pauper is insanely popular online, firing nearly as many Daily Events per week as Standard. Edit: Stupid smartphone
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Crash21 Member
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posted May 18, 2012 05:54 AM
  
My LGS plays Pauper standard about once a month for FNM.
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Bentiko Member
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posted May 18, 2012 06:29 AM

Should I open my Korean box of Avacyn Restored or wait it out until the value is high to sell. I have already opened my Jap one and got ton of crap.  __________________ -Hey! Look! My nipples can cut through glass! -I watched porn with Closed Caption! -I love school, when it's over... -God, the singing is nails on a chalkboard. -They say I have A.D.D. they just don't understand me. Oh look! A squirrel!!
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rats60 Member
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posted May 18, 2012 08:36 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by Bentiko: Should I open my Korean box of Avacyn Restored or wait it out until the value is high to sell. I have already opened my Jap one and got ton of crap. 
The value is already high. I wouldn't count on it going any higher. If you paid low and can make money on it, I would sell it now. If you paid high, the only chance to make out is going to be opening it and getting lucky.
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nderdog Moderator
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posted May 18, 2012 09:41 AM
  
My trade list seems to get very little traffic since I got back to trading a few days ago. Even when my list hadn't been edited or posted an up in weeks I've had more interest. Is it just my insanely large list or are others having similar experiences?__________________ There's no need to fear, UNDERDOG is here!All your Gruul Nodorogs are belong to me. Trade them to me, please! Report rules violations. Remember the Auctions Board!
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Sovarius Member
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posted May 18, 2012 09:47 AM
  
Is there any sort of Standard version of Pauper on MTGO?__________________ Looking to buy any Drana, Kalastria Bloodchief oddities/pimp.My trades My sales
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WeedIan Member
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posted May 18, 2012 11:51 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by nderdog: My trade list seems to get very little traffic since I got back to trading a few days ago. Even when my list hadn't been edited or posted an up in weeks I've had more interest. Is it just my insanely large list or are others having similar experiences?
Same, i get like 3 or 4 posts when i first put it up and then 1 every 4 or 5 days. __________________ Member Since 03/28/2001 12000+ posts 1st in posts in Ontario 11th in posts on MOTL 5th in Refs in Ontario Pushing to get to top 100 in MOTL Refs
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