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gaeacradle
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posted January 06, 2013 07:28 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for gaeacradle Click Here to Email gaeacradle Send a private message to gaeacradle Click to send gaeacradle an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote View gaeacradle's Have/Want ListView gaeacradle's Have/Want List
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Local store is advertising the Gatecrash Pre-release as 3 packs of RtR and 3 packs of Gatecrash, no guild pack mention what so ever. 0_o


They probably just forgot

 
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quote:
Originally posted by gaeacradle:
They probably just forgot

I hope so, but given the store has history cheating it's players, I'm a tad worried.

Also there shouldn't be any RtR packs at all from what I've read, it should be 5 Gatecrash + Guild Pack?

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lord Crovax on January 06, 2013]

 
oneofchaos
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quote:
Originally posted by Devonin:
I'd have probably intuitioned for 1 show and tell and 2 Emrakul.

If they gave you the show and tell, the two Emrakuls hit the bin, shuffling your graveyard back in (which while you might think worsens your chances, because you're adding more cards into the library, also has the effect of putting the intuition back in your library, plus any other copies of intuition you might have had in there, any of which you could use to intuition for 3x Emrakul, and still have enough mana left to show and tell the omniscience)

If they gave you an Emrakul, you get the Emrakul in hand, shuffle the other Emrakul and the show and tell, and the intuition back into the library, which again, essentially creates more copies of the card you need (Show and tell is back in, so is Intuition which you can use to get Show and Tell, as well as any other Intuitions etc that were in the bin)


I suppose that's even better. With like 30 cards in my deck, the logic outlined above trumps everything else, but I don't think 31+ cards it works so nicely. I only play the one intuition tho. A decklist might have helped the arguement.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
I hope so, but given the store has history cheating it's players, I'm a tad worried.

Also there shouldn't be any RtR packs at all from what I've read, it should be 5 Gatecrash + Guild Pack?


That is correct. Gatecrash is a big standalone set. Sealed is 6x gatecrash (5+1 guild pack for prerelease) and draft is 3x gatecrash. Once Dragons Maze hits, draft will be 1-1-1, no idea what sealed will be.

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Lord Crovax
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
That is correct. Gatecrash is a big standalone set. Sealed is 6x gatecrash (5+1 guild pack for prerelease) and draft is 3x gatecrash. Once Dragons Maze hits, draft will be 1-1-1, no idea what sealed will be.


So what would happen if said store DOESNT do that? and just gives 3/3 packs to people and doesnt give out any Guild Packs/Boxes?

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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
So what would happen if said store DOESNT do that? and just gives 3/3 packs to people and doesnt give out any Guild Packs/Boxes?

likely nothing. IN reality you should probably check with them in advance. They have to order this stuff from wotc. My store said they were required to order in blocks of 30 "kits" for the prerelease, maybe the store isn't expecting that many people? dunno...

 
Lord Crovax
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
likely nothing. IN reality you should probably check with them in advance. They have to order this stuff from wotc. My store said they were required to order in blocks of 30 "kits" for the prerelease, maybe the store isn't expecting that many people? dunno...

So wait, you can run a pre-release and NOT give out the guild packs? and just give out 3 RtR packs and 3 Gatecrash packs?

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hilikuS
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
So wait, you can run a pre-release and NOT give out the guild packs? and just give out 3 RtR packs and 3 Gatecrash packs?


It wouldn't be 6 Gatecrash?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
It wouldn't be 6 Gatecrash?


Not what they are saying, they say 3 RtR/3 Gatecrash...

EDIT: Also only way I can see that even being possible is if they either A: cannibalize the guild packs for boosters or B: use prize support to run the event, keeping the guildpacks...

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by Lord Crovax on January 06, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Not what they are saying, they say 3 RtR/3 Gatecrash...

EDIT: Also only way I can see that even being possible is if they either A: cannibalize the guild packs for boosters or B: use prize support to run the event, keeping the guildpacks...


Man that's super lame if its true. At least give 6 packs from the new set that everybody wants to open if you're going to be greedy about keeping the guild packs...

 
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It's supposed to be the guild pack/6 packs of Gatecrash...
 
Lord Crovax
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quote:
Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
It's supposed to be the guild pack/6 packs of Gatecrash...

Yea, I know what it is supposed to be......question is can they legally NOT do that, use prize support for the event and just keep the Guild Packs for resale?

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thror
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Yea, I know what it is supposed to be......question is can they legally NOT do that, use prize support for the event and just keep the Guild Packs for resale?


Call wotc.

http://company.wizards.com/contactus

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Lord Crovax
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
Call wotc.

http://company.wizards.com/contactus


Yea, going to...just wanted to get other peoples opinions on it, hoping this time maybe WoTC does something to keep them from ripping off players who don't know better.

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lol

happens every time

play awesome games of magic, then get on feature match and totally bomb.

oh well, 14th out of almost 700 people at my second large tournament isn't too bad, I don't think.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by thror:
That deck is bad. So very bad.


What happened to the monored Dragon Stompy that was popular a while back?

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quote:
Originally posted by JoshSherman:
What happened to the monored Dragon Stompy that was popular a while back?


It hasnt really been 'popular' in ages. too many single cards are just too strong now. So this deck's 'plan' is to play a sphere and hope a 3/3 for 2 gets there. This gives the other deck 6 full turns to just draw into 3 lands and then cast something absurd, or even just plow your guy. Now you're BOTH locked under sphere, except their cards are so much better than yours that you really cant do a damn thing.

a blood moon is a little bit more powerful, but in that R/W deck, it also turns off a TON of your cards too.

It can steal some wins, sure. But compare it to belcher. You can both go 'all in' on 1-2 cards, but yours take 4+ turns to actually win the game, while the belcher deck just kills people. If you feel like coin flipping all day, have at. But it isnt going to be a top tier deck ever.

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Good grief:

" Don't make dumb offers. Please. (An example would be a $20 standard in-print card for a $20 non-standard out of print card.)"

I don't know what country this guy is living in, but $20 is $20.

Hardly a dumb offer.

 
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Oh MOTL deities, I don't want to have to switch to TCG player to do pricing. I want my MOTL guide back!
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Good grief:

" Don't make dumb offers. Please. (An example would be a $20 standard in-print card for a $20 non-standard out of print card.)"

I don't know what country this guy is living in, but $20 is $20.

Hardly a dumb offer.


It's not a "dumb" offer per say. But it's still not a good offer.

$20 is $20....but we're not talking about money. When you're talking about cards, it's certainly different. I don't know what forum you think you're on, but I would have thought you'd figure that out by now.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
It's not a "dumb" offer per say. But it's still not a good offer.

$20 is $20....but we're not talking about money. When you're talking about cards, it's certainly different. I don't know what forum you think you're on, but I would have thought you'd figure that out by now.


*sigh* this again

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
*sigh* this again

Whatever dude..

quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
Add 10% to your credit if you're trading Legacy for Standard.

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I know full well what I have on my list.

"this again" = "Not this ****ing DISCUSSION again."

We have this **** once a week and it never gets anywhere. It's not even a discussion. No one's changing anyone else's mind about whether a premium is reasonable or not for trading Standard for Legacy, and everyone just calls each other names until it finally goes away. And someone starts it up again a week later.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Bagbokk on January 07, 2013]

 
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I'm sorry. I didn't mean to invoke any heated debate here. I just meant that it's a bit insulting to say it's a dumb offer when it's high end standard cards that are also good in modern/legacy (snapcasters, shocks, etc) and to expect a decent premium.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Speed Demon:
I'm sorry. I didn't mean to invoke any heated debate here. I just meant that it's a bit insulting to say it's a dumb offer when it's high end standard cards that are also good in modern/legacy (snapcasters, shocks, etc) and to expect a decent premium.

and I'm sure they feel same way, also shocks are not legacy staples last I checked...

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