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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
and I'm sure they feel same way, also shocks are not legacy staples last I checked...

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
you're right, but they are modern staples and they are at an all time low at the moment so.. i dont see any reason to give a premium

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for me would really depend on what I'm trading for, if duals then yes a premium is expected, anything fringe doesnt count though...

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
for me would really depend on what I'm trading for, if duals then yes a premium is expected, anything fringe doesnt count though...

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
your premium is getting shocks at an all time low. =/

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That's a opinion based on your opinion that they won't remain low.

I don't expect them to go much above 10.00, least not in the short term (next year or so)

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Originally posted by wayne:
What's the use of opening an effing Pack Rat when I never draw it?

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39 swamps and mull to it.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
That's a opinion based on your opinion that they won't remain low.

I don't expect them to go much above 10.00, least not in the short term (next year or so)

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History would disagree. Standard mana-base staples for the last couple of non-core sets have routinely gone for 12-18 during their time in standard, and will do so again for shocks, ESPECIALLY after packs stop being opened. See: SOM fastlands, ISD enemy checklands, ZEN fetchlands. I would even go so far as to say shocks will buck the trend of dropping value for that period right after they rotate out of standard, due to the nature of modern mana bases.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
History would disagree. Standard mana-base staples for the last couple of non-core sets have routinely gone for 12-18 during their time in standard, and will do so again for shocks, ESPECIALLY after packs stop being opened. See: SOM fastlands, ISD enemy checklands, ZEN fetchlands. I would even go so far as to say shocks will buck the trend of dropping value for that period right after they rotate out of standard, due to the nature of modern mana bases.

SOM fastlands continue to confuse me. It's as if the entire magic community annually forgets that they are used just as much as fetches or shocks in modern, if not more. So blackcleave cliffs gets as low as $3 and as high as $8 as the seasons change. I would complain about it if it didn't mean a chance for profit

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History also shows that things that get reprinted in land form drop and no longer follow that trend, M10 cycle for example.

Though I do love how you only listed cycles that had one printing and left out the M10 cycle on purpose to try and prove your point.

Good try there...

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:

Fact is last time shocks rotated they dropped and dropped hard even with extended seasons, I seriously doubt Modern will make that big a difference.

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And with that sentence, your whole point was lost. You're insane if you don't think modern makes no difference.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
That's a opinion based on your opinion that they won't remain low.

I don't expect them to go much above 10.00, least not in the short term (next year or so)

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
And with that sentence, your whole point was lost. You're insane if you don't think modern makes no difference.

Also, M10 duals have been reprinted 3 times. Shocklands have been reprinted ONCE. Also, sunpetal grove is the highest one going for $4. Not too bad for a land that's only play in standard and been printed four times.

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How so? So far it hasn't, so why should I think it will? Modern caused a huge spike sure, but stuff like shocks didn't hold anything close to their spiked cost.

and are actually closer now to their rotated price, so please do explain why my point is lost? Cause all I've ever seen you post is trolling.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:

How so? So far it hasn't, so why should I think it will? Modern caused a huge spike sure, but stuff like shocks didn't hold anything close to their spiked cost.

and are actually closer now to their rotated price, so please do explain why my point is lost? Cause all I've ever seen you post is trolling.

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You're the biggest troll of them all.

Stuff like shocks didn't spike because they were reprinted! If everything that is in modern was reprinted in a large set like the shocks were, they would not have spiked as well (and would have either gone down in value or stayed at the price they were at).

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
You're the biggest troll of them all.

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and you just made my point.

Don't even make any attempt at defending your self, other then blanket statements with no proof even attempted.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
and you just made my point.

Don't even make any attempt at defending your self, other then blanket statements with no proof even attempted.

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Stuff like shocks didn't spike because they were reprinted! If everything that is in modern was reprinted in a large set like the shocks were, they would not have spiked as well (and would have either gone down in value or stayed at the price they were at).

If shocks were not reprinted, I'd wager good money that hallowed fountains / steam vents would be $30-40 a piece.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
Stuff like shocks didn't spike because they were reprinted! If everything that is in modern was reprinted in a large set like the shocks were, they would not have spiked as well (and would have either gone down in value or stayed at the price they were at).

If shocks were not reprinted, I'd wager good money that hallowed fountains / steam vents would be $30-40 a piece.

Really, Take some time and think about what your posting before you hit submit.

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Maybe try reading? I said shocks spiked with modern, not reprint, in fact reprint basically killed their price, also my original comment was to whoever the hell said shocks would potentially go up after rotation, which history has already shown is very very unlikely.

So this whole shocks being at a all time low isn't true, and they could in fact go a few dollars cheaper before stabilizing around what they are now +/- 1-2$...

and so far I've seen nothing to suggest that this isn't the likely outcome.

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:
Maybe try reading? I said shocks spiked with modern, not reprint, in fact reprint basically killed their price, also my original comment was to whoever the hell said shocks would potentially go up after rotation, which history has already shown is very very unlikely.

So this whole shocks being at a all time low isn't true, and they could in fact go a few dollars cheaper before stabilizing around what they are now +/- 1-2$...

and so far I've seen nothing to suggest that this isn't the likely outcome.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
39 swamps and mull to it.

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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
So.. would you not agree that if they don't get reprinted in the next 3 years, they could easily be at $15?

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Probably possible, but unlikely.

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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
It's seriously doubtful, but I'm hoping for an enchantment with extort. Even if it's BB in the cost. If it's WW, Enchantress will be very pleased.

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Extort does get a enchantment, already stated, we just dont know what it is or it's cost, though rumor is it's BW

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Originally posted by Lord Crovax:

How so? So far it hasn't, so why should I think it will? Modern caused a huge spike sure, but stuff like shocks didn't hold anything close to their spiked cost.

and are actually closer now to their rotated price, so please do explain why my point is lost? Cause all I've ever seen you post is trolling.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
As I said earlier, SOM fastlands went up in price the instant that set dropped being drafted. The fact that they tanked so hard after rotating is because modern was a brand new format and most competitive players only wanted them during modern season, hence the big price swings since leaving standard. Shocklands are established as a modern format staple, so I see them rising in price as soon as they stop being drafted, and continuing to climb until rotation at which point they drop a bit and stabilize.

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