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Would you do 3 thoughtseize for $130 shipped? They're about to be in M14 so the price should drop...but unfortunately I'd like some for a tournament about a week before m14 releases.

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Need white weenies/soldiers, affinity, enchants, elves, infect, slivers, greenpost.

Highest priority is enchants then greenpost.

My enchants is posted to deck help forum.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Anyone have a lot of commons on MTGO they'd give/trade to me? I have very little online to trade back but could do paper cards or money.

Need white weenies/soldiers, affinity, enchants, elves, infect, slivers, greenpost.

Highest priority is enchants then greenpost.

My enchants is posted to deck help forum.

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I probably have some stuff, let me check later this evening and get back to you.

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
I have a feeling this would have kept prices from falling as much, which appears to have been the goal.

If they had different artwork or symbols, a small percentage of people would value them differently than the batches from RTR/GTC, especially if one artwork looks better. I think the way they did it was best for tanking the prices of shocks.

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Did the shocks really "tank" in value due to DGM?

City of Guilds Sacred Foundary's have increased in value since the start of RTR block - ~$16 to ~$20.

GTC Foundary's pre-ordered for ~$15, hit a peak after release of ~$20 and were at ~$16 before the release of DGM. After DGM they bottomed out at ~$12 and are already trending up at ~$13.

Stomping Ground "tanked" from ~$16 to ~$12 with the release of DGM, but it's already back up to ~$15.

The price would absolutely be higher if they hadn't given us the bonus 1-2 duals per box, but I don't think "tank" is an accurate description of the way things played out.

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Originally posted by wayne:

lol, any truth to thoughtseize being reprinted?

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Originally posted by Pail42:
Did the shocks really "tank" in value due to DGM?

City of Guilds Sacred Foundary's have increased in value since the start of RTR block - ~$16 to ~$20.

GTC Foundary's pre-ordered for ~$15, hit a peak after release of ~$20 and were at ~$16 before the release of DGM. After DGM they bottomed out at ~$12 and are already trending up at ~$13.

Stomping Ground "tanked" from ~$16 to ~$12 with the release of DGM, but it's already back up to ~$15.

The price would absolutely be higher if they hadn't given us the bonus 1-2 duals per box, but I don't think "tank" is an accurate description of the way things played out.

Price trends from this random website I found on google http://ark42.com/mtg/pricehistory.php?s=Gatecrash&c=Stomping+Ground&d=0

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
http://blacklotusproject.com/cards/Gatecrash/Sacred+Foundry/
http://blacklotusproject.com/cards/Gatecrash/Stomping+Ground/

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i was about to say his prices didnt seem right. this looks like tanking to me. were they 2 different artworks, i don't think this would have happened.

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
i was about to say his prices didnt seem right. this looks like tanking to me. were they 2 different artworks, i don't think this would have happened.

on another note, M14 spoiler doesn't seem to support the M10 duals. I'm pretty excited to not see these again, but not too happy about losing 20 foil rares i've had in my collection for years.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
The upside is that they are still popular for EDH, they see a bit of modern play, and WOTC has made it very clear that they are comfortable with the checklands in multiple standard formats. Even if you don't sell them, I imagine we will see them in standard again in the near future.

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
i was about to say his prices didnt seem right. this looks like tanking to me. were they 2 different artworks, i don't think this would have happened.

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Originally posted by stab107:
I probably have some stuff, let me check later this evening and get back to you.

Thoughtseize and mutavault reprints are still unconfirmed near as I can tell. Some guys saying "my source says X" is not confirmation if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Pail42:
If they were two different artworks the DGM versions would likely be more expensive since they are rarer and (assumption) less packs are getting cracked. While the prices on the sites disagree they both show about a 20% price drop. I guess we have different definitions of tank.

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For Hallowed Fountain, pre-RTR, we're talking 25 dollars to buy one. Post-RTR, 12 dollars. Post-DGM, we're looking at a 7 dollar card. I think that if DGM had different artwork, the situation would be different. All I'm saying is the price drop wouldn't have been anywhere near as significant if the two were distinguishable.

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
For Hallowed Fountain, pre-RTR, we're talking 25 dollars to buy one. Post-RTR, 12 dollars. Post-DGM, we're looking at a 7 dollar card.

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pre-RTR it was only the original art in Dissension. So you go on to say it halved in price and halved in price. You're talking about the second art being a $7 card, the original art is still right near $15

Original was low twenties until last year right before RTR, then dipped to a bit above $10 and has now since gone up again.

The new art's average a couple months before DGM is like a couple bucks more than it is now. It hasn't "tanked". It went down, sure.

I think that the steady price drop is still the fact that shocks get opened a lot more frequently in their original packs through drafting. DGM is not the only supply of them and the somewhat meager quantities it was reprinted in, and the fact that DGM is 1/3 of a draft says to me the reprint is not seriously effecting price, probably no more than 15%

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
All I'm saying is the price drop wouldn't have been anywhere near as significant if the two were distinguishable.

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For the Dissention printing of hallowed fountain blp shows the price is down to 13.95 from a high a little over 30. However; That massive price drop came from the RTR release and announcement - not DGM. The art in these two versions is different.

If DGM had new art I expect the prices for the original printings to be affected the same amount and the prices for the prices for the DGM and RTR/GTC versions would be slightly higher.

This is all assuming the the new art is of similar quality to the old art. For example, if the DGM art was different and generally considered vastly superior then some people would potentially dump their old versions for the new art.

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
The "tanking" is obvious, as a playset now runs the former cost of 1 copy prior to their reprinting.

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Originally posted by wayne:

How else are they going to move all that core set junk?

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Originally posted by TheCottonRapster:
By including cards like Mutavault, Scavenging Ooze, and potentially Thoughtseize at rare.

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They don't print things that make you damage yourself in core sets anymore.

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
They don't print things that make you damage yourself in core sets anymore.

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Originally posted by Liq:
Thinking about entering a local Modern tournament for a box of Modern Masters. Local competition is RWU, Poison and blue Tron. What should I run?

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Anyone interested in testing Legacy on Cockatrice? I have a big local tournament in a few weeks and while I've picked up most of RiP/Helm UW Miracles, I haven't actually played it and would love to brush up on my legacy skills.

On that note, any suggestions? I'm not sure what the local meta is right now, so I've been just perusing mtgthesource for some information and maybe I'll read up some reports.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
pre-RTR it was only the original art in Dissension. So you go on to say it halved in price and halved in price. You're talking about the second art being a $7 card, the original art is still right near $15

Original was low twenties until last year right before RTR, then dipped to a bit above $10 and has now since gone up again.

The new art's average a couple months before DGM is like a couple bucks more than it is now. It hasn't "tanked". It went down, sure.

I think that the steady price drop is still the fact that shocks get opened a lot more frequently in their original packs through drafting. DGM is not the only supply of them and the somewhat meager quantities it was reprinted in, and the fact that DGM is 1/3 of a draft says to me the reprint is not seriously effecting price, probably no more than 15%

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Originally posted by dfitzg88:
Pre Rte shocks weren't standard. They're now standard which would demand a price increase generally. The price to get a shock has tanked.

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When eternal staples get reprinted in standard the price generally goes down. Price jumps only tend to happen when the card is not an eternal staple.