Is a BTA required here? Assuming the member sent they are already out close to $200 in cards while I have not sent any money via paypal.

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Originally posted by stab107:
So I have an outstanding deal with a US based member here (I am in
Canada) with value close to $200, they sent first. It has been 1 month since the member confirmed the package was sent. I have yet to receive the package; this will be the first such package that has been lost in my dealings on MOTL if it does not turn up. Communication has not broken down and in the course of communication it has been revealed that the member sent in a PWE.

Is a BTA required here? Assuming the member sent they are already out close to $200 in cards while I have not sent any money via paypal.

edit: I understand that they have not held up their end of the deal. Is the only course of action a BTA? Or can I work with the member to resolve the issue without public scrutiny? If I understand things correctly once addresses are exchanged a deal is finalized and the parameters cannot be changed, so it must be an all or nothing deal and not a partial completion should the cards not be obtainable or available to the other party?

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Originally posted by stab107:
So I have an outstanding deal with a US based member here (I am in
Canada) with value close to $200, they sent first. It has been 1 month since the member confirmed the package was sent. I have yet to receive the package; this will be the first such package that has been lost in my dealings on MOTL if it does not turn up. Communication has not broken down and in the course of communication it has been revealed that the member sent in a PWE.

Is a BTA required here? Assuming the member sent they are already out close to $200 in cards while I have not sent any money via paypal.

edit: I understand that they have not held up their end of the deal. Is the only course of action a BTA? Or can I work with the member to resolve the issue without public scrutiny? If I understand things correctly once addresses are exchanged a deal is finalized and the parameters cannot be changed, so it must be an all or nothing deal and not a partial completion should the cards not be obtainable or available to the other party?

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If you wish to work something out on your own, that's always the best option. The BTA isn't a required step for every deal that doesn't go smoothly, only for reporting problems that are unable to be resolved by the 2 parties. Partial compensation for a package that the recipient honestly believes was lost is perfectly valid, as is just dropping the trade if both people are willing. Any solution that makes you both (relatively) happy is a good solution.

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Legacy Fetches - 30-50 ea
Legacy Duals - 50-150 ea
Then add format wide things like wasteland, force of will, JTMS.

Sure, there are staples that overlap for both formats (goyf clique bob thoughtsieze liliana), but for every expensive 'niche/deck specific' card you can point to for modern (kiki, ???), there is a legacy equivalent that costs twice as much too (lion's eye diamond, moat, tabernacle, rishadan port).

This coming from a guy that gathered a ton of legacy staples to play with ~3 years ago, and moving to modern because IT'S SO MUCH CHEAPER.

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It has backfired. I'm likely on the hook for $205 from the first deal I made because of a stupid mistake, and bought a box of Modern Masters for $226, which was super fun to draft (so in that sense worth it because I got to share that with my friends) but also basically whiffed.

In addition, I really don't make enough money at my job, and the potential extra cash flow avenues I once had are gone. And that isn't my fault.

I don't want to succumb to the idea that 2013 has not been kind to my wife and I. I don't want the pity party. I can pay my bills for the most part. Should be able to consolidate some bills in the fall to make it a little easier.

The vast majority of career paths around here aren't interesting to me, and I can't get a call back for any that are. I think that's got to do with people that shouldn't be applying for what I'm looking for (because they should already have jobs) getting preference over me because they have experience that they shouldn't, because the job market is crap. Well, I might be significantly over qualified, too. I guess I could just stop telling people I have a math degree.

On a more positive note, I got Randy Buehler and Brady Dommermuth to sign a Letter Bomb for me. Now to get Brandon Bozzi, and I'll have the entire Unhinged development staff!

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Originally posted by Liq:
Thinking about entering a local Modern tournament for a box of Modern Masters. Local competition is RWU, Poison and blue Tron. What should I run?

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Originally posted by dwiz:
If that's the competition, I'd go with Rb burn.

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Didn't have time to look into Rb burn. Ran Jund as I had it built (and no real time to devote to anything else).

R1: UR Storm w/ Pyromancer's Ascension (2-1)

Lose G1 due to tapping my Deathrite Shaman. G2, his hand is gone by T4. G3, he can't draw a win con or a proper amount of search. Have to stare down 12 goblin tokens for a bit before overwhelming him.

R2: RWU Aggro Control (2-0)

Win G1 since he can't find board presence. Lose like 20 life before winning. Win G2 in the same way but with less life loss.

R3: Goblins (2-0)

G1 he almost overwhelms me but I stabilize fast enough. G2 he keeps a 1 land and misses 3 land drops.

Win tournament.

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Originally posted by edsillars:
I see most modern affinity/robots decklists playing 1 island/3 glimmervoid. How is that island better than the 4th glimmervoid?

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ghost quarter.

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Originally posted by spike777:
So after collecting (admittedly) a large number of modern staples thinking 'next big thing,' I realized that wizards reprinting into the ground was almost assured. I then did almost a 1:1 swap with the majority of modern staples for a huge chunk (possible majority, if only considering goodstuffs/DTB decks) of legacy staples. These two formats are *not* that far apart price-wise when considering top-tier modern decks, as 2-5 top-tier modern decks can trade fairly evenly for 2-3 top-tier legacy decks. What are people's thoughts on more people realizing this and migrating to legacy? Growth of the playerbase? Or is the general trend to be set with modern? Any feel for trends in your local playgroups?

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Not seeing that trend at all, locally. Granted, MM hasn't really gotten a lot of people to go "Wow I need to start building a modern collection!". It's more of a "Now I need to start paying attention to my existing collection for modern staples".

Legacy is essentially dead, at least in Vegas. There are plenty of people within a 350-mile radius that can put together a legacy deck or two for an SCG Open, but there's nothing resembling a regular tournament structure, which is sad considering the fact that the prices keep rising for legacy staples.

As for my personal collection, I'm actually extremely happy with "buying in" on modern roughly a year and a half ago. The sole upside to having an unhealthy EDH habit is the fact that you almost always have 2-3 of any given staple in any format, so trading for the playset (or de facto playset, in such cases as V. Clique and Elspeth) has been far from painful.

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Originally posted by Liq:
Didn't have time to look into Rb burn. Ran Jund as I had it built (and no real time to devote to anything else).

R1: UR Storm w/ Pyromancer's Ascension (2-1)

Lose G1 due to tapping my Deathrite Shaman. G2, his hand is gone by T4. G3, he can't draw a win con or a proper amount of search. Have to stare down 12 goblin tokens for a bit before overwhelming him.

R2: RWU Aggro Control (2-0)

Win G1 since he can't find board presence. Lose like 20 life before winning. Win G2 in the same way but with less life loss.

R3: Goblins (2-0)

G1 he almost overwhelms me but I stabilize fast enough. G2 he keeps a 1 land and misses 3 land drops.

Win tournament.

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could you play scavenging oozes in it's stead?
primarily because they along with deathrite can hose tarm, but also they grow and net you life.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
if you were set on BGR or GBW and wanted to play on some kind of budget without tarms;

could you play scavenging oozes in it's stead?
primarily because they along with deathrite can hose tarm, but also they grow and net you life.

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Originally posted by Zeckk:
For modern? or legacy? If legacy, then absolutely, especially if you are running GSZ. Modern? Remains to be seen. Ooze may end up as a sideboard option for the tri-color decks, but if you are doing the more aggro verion of Junk or Jund in modern, I imagine tarms are a straight necessity over ooze. I could see oozes seeing maindeck play in that modern Gruul aggro list, simply because it pairs so nicely with burning-tree emissary.

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Modern, since he's coming out. I have a set of tarms now so it may be a moot point but i'm just wondering. He's kind of a late bloomer and costs a lot of green... Just seems like a solid card here. Can't play them together though.
I'm playing more aggro. I will be playing Liliana, but thoughtseize/inquisition is just not fun to me

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Originally posted by SageShadows:
So I had a trade with someone; he sent first. When I got his cards, they had large blotches of area where they seemed to be soaked in some sort of oil (it was darker than the non-soaked areas) in addition to a lot of pen indentation marks. He advertised and assured me that they were NM. We tried to work something out, but he hasn't been replying for the last few days. I'm getting a bit antsy because my side of the trade is 2 Mutavaults and they're getting reprinted, so I don't want to be hanging onto them... I've PMed him several times that if we can't work something out, I'll just send the cards back and cancel the trade. It's been 3 days, and no reply - should I just send it back?

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No. if he isnt in contact with you, your next step is the BTA. dont just send cards back.

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Originally posted by thror:
No. if he isnt in contact with you, your next step is the BTA. dont just send cards back.

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