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Originally posted by totalkaoz:
Is something wrong with the reference system? My refs are still listed about the same but most of them are no longer "MOTL references" - missing usernames though the emails remain.

I noticed this as well. Hopefully it is not an ongoing issue.

 
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Its probably account cleanup on inactve accounts so a certain someone can't use the "sign up for free email account that is no longer active steal account"

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Mutavault in M14.

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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Its probably account cleanup on inactve accounts so a certain someone can't use the "sign up for free email account that is no longer active steal account"


and there goes the "only MOTL refs count" for some of us.


and then:
pretty sure the biggest *******s in cockatrice, are JtMS players. Not the way they play. They play it right. Not the deck they play him in. They are solid as ****. But the most ******* commenbts I Get are people with an active Jace in play. Then they all act like 12 years olds with the handin the cookie jar.

 
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Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
and there goes the "only MOTL refs count" for some of us.


and then:
pretty sure the biggest *******s in cockatrice, are JtMS players. Not the way they play. They play it right. Not the deck they play him in. They are solid as ****. But the most ******* commenbts I Get are people with an active Jace in play. Then they all act like 12 years olds with the handin the cookie jar.


For me, I have a much bigger problem with Burn players, all formats. They are sloppy with mechanics, sloppier with rule knowledge, and almost always quit after the first game, win or lose.

The absolute best is joining a modern game, seeing the brazilian flag for the user, and a turn 1 rift bolt. It's like playing with a lobotomized monkey suffering from tourette's.

 
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I don't understand how or why EDH has become a "thing"? If you play it competitively, you're a *******. If you play it casually, you all have to hold hands and sing songs together so no one's feelings get hurt. What is the ****ing point of EDH as it is?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
I don't understand how or why EDH has become a "thing"? If you play it competitively, you're a *******. If you play it casually, you all have to hold hands and sing songs together so no one's feelings get hurt. What is the ****ing point of EDH as it is?

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quote:
Originally posted by chaos021:
I don't understand how or why EDH has become a "thing"? If you play it competitively, you're a *******. If you play it casually, you all have to hold hands and sing songs together so no one's feelings get hurt. What is the ****ing point of EDH as it is?

You aren't an ******* if you play if competitively. You're an ******* if you play it competitively at a table where everyone else is playing casually.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
and there goes the "only MOTL refs count" for some of us.


and then:
pretty sure the biggest *******s in cockatrice, are JtMS players. Not the way they play. They play it right. Not the deck they play him in. They are solid as ****. But the most ******* commenbts I Get are people with an active Jace in play. Then they all act like 12 years olds with the handin the cookie jar.


And them beat them with your casual Door to Nothingness deck. I LOL-ed at the enraged comments I got.

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I'm not familiar with this, but end of July/beginning of August there is a WMC in Amsterdam. Is that only for qualified players or can a simple schmuck like me attend, too?

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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
I'm not familiar with this, but end of July/beginning of August there is a WMC in Amsterdam. Is that only for qualified players or can a simple schmuck like me attend, too?

Random schmucks can't compete in the main event since it is invitation only.

http://www.wizards.com/magic/tcg/events.aspx?x=mtg/event/worldchamp/2013/info

The world cup is also being held at the same time in the same location, it's also invitation only.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Events.aspx?x=mtg/event/worldmagiccup13

At high-profile tournaments the main event is typically accompanied by side tournaments that anybody can play in.

 
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Originally posted by Pail42:
At high-profile tournaments the main event is typically accompanied by side tournaments that anybody can play in.

Thought so, that's what I was looking for, thanks.

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
and there goes the "only MOTL refs count" for some of us.

eh, I still have 384

That is a fairly big drop though. Pretty sure my MOTL Refs were at 500+.

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quote:
Originally posted by AEther Storm:
And them beat them with your casual Door to Nothingness deck. I LOL-ed at the enraged comments I got.


lol, I PandaBurst-ed some dude last night to make myself "feel better."

Oh, My wife and I are coming to your neck of the woods in a few months. *leaving this as a reminder to email you with some questions

 
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This site is getting bad:


I sent this to a guy:
My Armageddon (PT2)
your
Oracle of Mul Daya
Sporeback Troll (Common)
Vigean Hydropon (C)
Bioshift (C)
Cultivate (C)
Muddle the Mixture (C)
Shielding Plax (C)
Skyshroud Claim (C)

lmk


His response:
From my system, an Oracle is about the same value as the Armageddon so, I wouldn't do this trade. I tried to find a counter from your list but I think because we use different systems, it would be difficult to find a middle ground. Thanks for the offer though.

It's 7 random ****ing commons. 7 random commons makes the trade in my favor to the point of not doing the trade (and yes, I understand both the Cultivate and Skyshroud Claim are EDH favorites but still)? Are you ****ing kidding me? This has to be the worst thing I've seen in a long time.

NOT TO MENTION, PT2 Armageddon trumps the value of an Oracle of Mul Daya by like 1-2 dollars.

Unreal.


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[Edited 1 times, lastly by ryan2754 on June 19, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
This site is getting bad:


I sent this to a guy:
My Armageddon (PT2)
your
Oracle of Mul Daya
Sporeback Troll (Common)
Vigean Hydropon (C)
Bioshift (C)
Cultivate (C)
Muddle the Mixture (C)
Shielding Plax (C)
Skyshroud Claim (C)

lmk


His response:
From my system, an Oracle is about the same value as the Armageddon so, I wouldn't do this trade. I tried to find a counter from your list but I think because we use different systems, it would be difficult to find a middle ground. Thanks for the offer though.

It's 7 random ****ing commons. 7 random commons makes the trade in my favor to the point of not doing the trade (and yes, I understand both the Cultivate and Skyshroud Claim are EDH favorites but still)? Are you ****ing kidding me? This has to be the worst thing I've seen in a long time.

NOT TO MENTION, PT2 Armageddon trumps the value of an Oracle of Mul Daya by like 1-2 dollars.

Unreal.


Its one guy are you that butthurt over 1 guy who values his oracle over your Geddon?

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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
This site is getting bad:


I sent this to a guy:
My Armageddon (PT2)
your
Oracle of Mul Daya
Sporeback Troll (Common)
Vigean Hydropon (C)
Bioshift (C)
Cultivate (C)
Muddle the Mixture (C)
Shielding Plax (C)
Skyshroud Claim (C)

lmk


His response:
From my system, an Oracle is about the same value as the Armageddon so, I wouldn't do this trade. I tried to find a counter from your list but I think because we use different systems, it would be difficult to find a middle ground. Thanks for the offer though.

It's 7 random ****ing commons. 7 random commons makes the trade in my favor to the point of not doing the trade (and yes, I understand both the Cultivate and Skyshroud Claim are EDH favorites but still)? Are you ****ing kidding me? This has to be the worst thing I've seen in a long time.

NOT TO MENTION, PT2 Armageddon trumps the value of an Oracle of Mul Daya by like 1-2 dollars.

Unreal.


Especially considering that this deal would have been zero hassle if done in person.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Its one guy are you that butthurt over 1 guy who values his oracle over your Geddon?


See what Zeckk said below you.
It just defies logic. He's essentially saying he won't do the deal because adding in the Commons would make it in my favor.

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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
See what Zeckk said below you.
It just defies logic. He's essentially saying he won't do the deal because adding in the Commons would make it in my favor.


And he'd probably do the same in person, there are a ton of people who have to get even value no matter what.

I was trading down 2 duals for other smaller legacy cards and i was up by 3 dollars and they just kept looking for more cards.

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
lol, I PandaBurst-ed some dude last night to make myself "feel better."

Oh, My wife and I are coming to your neck of the woods in a few months. *leaving this as a reminder to email you with some questions


Excellent stuff. LMK when you're coming. I'll get my Door to Nothingness deck ready .

Ask away.

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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
And he'd probably do the same in person, there are a ton of people who have to get even value no matter what.

I was trading down 2 duals for other smaller legacy cards and i was up by 3 dollars and they just kept looking for more cards.


I'm not commenting on the particular trade at issue because I don't know how much those cards are worth, but in general it makes sense to make sure the values are even. Especially if you trade a lot. $1 here, $3 there, $0.25 somewhere else adds up, even if it sounds like nothing in any given trade. I don't like it when people ask me to just "throw in" some playable commons and uncommons if the deal is otherwise fair already. You want ME to take the time to look through boxes and find these U/Cs so that YOU can get a small edge on the trade? At least if it's someone I know/have traded with on MOTL I can be somewhat sure they're doing it because they actually need them to use, not so they can vendor them out at the next GP for an extra profit.

[Edited 3 times, lastly by Bagbokk on June 20, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
Sporeback Troll (Common)
Vigean Hydropon (C)
Bioshift (C)
Cultivate (C)
Muddle the Mixture (C)
Shielding Plax (C)
Skyshroud Claim (C)

Send me your address.

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quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
lol, I PandaBurst-ed some dude

You did what?

quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
I was trading down 2 duals for other smaller legacy cards and i was up by 3 dollars and they just kept looking for more cards.

I had a real stingy guy like that.
He was so certain my Geists should be his and i guess no one else had 4x or were using them, so he said he didn't care to offer me over their total value because he needed them.
Now keep in mind we both had at least $1500 dollars worth of stuff in our binders, and his included 4x of most standard staples, a bunch of alters (a couple even worth looking at), foreign, and some good modern and legacy.
So we look up the values on SCG (at the time i had no idea what TCG/Ebay/MOTL values were) and they were $30ea.
I asked about huntmasters and a hellkite and they both were $25 ea. So i'm 5 dollars up and he got really uneasy and said i was ahead. Asked him if we going to use those cards, nope, asked him i thought you didn't mind trading in my favor, said he didn't mean THAT much and asked if he could pick out a junk rare. Asked about a couple rares over $5, said nope nope how about something smaller like a junk rare, asked if he could a russian blood artist, said nope. Got REALLY frustrated and asked if he could at least have a counterflux. In my mind i said he said was a stingy prick but said sure, and never talked to him again.

quote:
Originally posted by Bagbokk:
through boxes and find these U/Cs so that YOU can get a small edge on the trade? so they can vendor them out at the next GP for an extra profit.

I'm not selling them, i just need Xx kitchen finks, path to exile, lingering souls, rancor, and spell snares. I'm not trading for these since these are just uncommon throwins but PLEASE!

Also, someone please trade to me on mtgo pauper cards to enchantments deck.
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When you deal with people, it's usually a pleasant experience. But sometimes trading in person...

1. Playing the "what do you value it at?" game with every card in my binder.

2. "The price guide is my bible." Searching and then adding SCG/TCG player prices for every card. Made worse when I'm only looking for junk for my TYPE4 or EDH. Not matching pennies for your junk rares/foils.

3. Trading partner initial wants a $5 card for their $5 card in a perfect/easy/fast trade, but then his eyes get too big when he sees a $50 card he wants instead. Calls you out for being "hard to trade with!" when you don't bend to his will.

4. Incessant chatter from the "got trades?!?" guy. He's already asked to trade with you twice, but has forgotten what you and your binder look like.

quote:
Originally posted by harbingerofthevoid:
lol, I PandaBurst-ed some dude

Pandemonium + Saproling Burst = 21 dmg.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on June 20, 2013]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
When you deal with people, it's usually a pleasant experience. But sometimes trading in person...

1. Playing the "what do you value it at?" game with every card in my binder.

2. "The price guide is my bible." Searching and then adding SCG/TCG player prices for every card. Made worse when I'm only looking for junk for my TYPE4 or EDH. Not matching pennies for your junk rares/foils.

3. Trading partner initial wants a $5 card for their $5 card in a perfect/easy/fast trade, but then his eyes get too big when he sees a $50 card he wants instead. Calls you out for being "hard to trade with!" when you don't bend to his will.

4. Incessant chatter from the "got trades?!?" guy. He's already asked to trade with you twice, but has forgotten what you and your binder look like.

Pandemonium + Saproling Burst = 21 dmg.


because I build decks to sell to new players (small markup; no ripping people off), I tend to be 1 and 4. I nickel and dime people because I want 10 cent cards. I think I provide a good service though, trading away Sphinx's Revelation for 200 "useless" cards. I've also been known to buy/trade for basic lands. I think people need to learn trading demeanor though, as I provide value to willing parties.

 

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