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Topic: The Post for Magic Stuff #81
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walkerdog
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posted July 12, 2013 12:39 PM
        
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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
So someone on the interwebz who knows nothing blamed SCG, sounds legit.
It's fine to blame SCG. Businesses are kind-of dicks, even though it's not like they're evil for doing this. Like, profit motive does not equal our best interests. It's not "unfair" or something, but it can/does suck for players at times.
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Zeckk
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posted July 12, 2013 09:34 PM
SCG is simply educating the public regarding how inelastic the pricing of magic cards can be. Between MTG and league of legends, I'm not sure which can be considered the best business model for extracting ridiculous amounts of disposable income from consumers.
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Mr.C
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posted July 13, 2013 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by TimeBeing:
So someone on the interwebz who knows nothing blamed SCG, sounds legit.
Tey raised their buy to the others' retailers sell, then jacked their retail price.
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oneofchaos
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posted July 13, 2013 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
SCG is simply educating the public regarding how inelastic the pricing of magic cards can be. Between MTG and league of legends, I'm not sure which can be considered the best business model for extracting ridiculous amounts of disposable income from consumers.
League of legends? I've spent far more on MTG in the past year and played league like 500% more often.
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Zeckk
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posted July 13, 2013 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by oneofchaos:
League of legends? I've spent far more on MTG in the past year and played league like 500% more often.
I think you are missing the point, which is the fact that both companies have a product that essentially gives them a license to print money. Vast quantities of money. If you want to argue that League doesn't make as much money as MtG, I'm sure we could have a healthy debate regarding overhead costs and size of respective playerbases, but that's quite off-topic.
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chaos021
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posted July 13, 2013 07:50 PM
If you won packs at an M14 pre-release event, would you crack them or hold onto them? I'm not exactly sold on the idea of just holding onto them.
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oneofchaos
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posted July 13, 2013 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Zeckk:
I think you are missing the point, which is the fact that both companies have a product that essentially gives them a license to print money. Vast quantities of money.
Isn't that any popular product...?
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choco man
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posted July 13, 2013 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by chaos021:
If you won packs at an M14 pre-release event, would you crack them or hold onto them? I'm not exactly sold on the idea of just holding onto them.
It's probably the only point in time where you can sell packs and not have people legitimately think that they're 100% mapped. So why not, if you don't want them?
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chaos021
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posted July 13, 2013 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by choco man:
It's probably the only point in time where you can sell packs and not have people legitimately think that they're 100% mapped. So why not, if you don't want them?
I didn't think about that, but my main worry is that no one is super hot on the idea of buying M14. My group of locals basically have lists of the cards they want and that's all they're interested unless you want to do some sealed event. Just seems like it would be hard sell or trade them for anything. I'm also not seeing much in the way of general interest online for M14 either.
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WeedIan
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posted July 14, 2013 11:36 AM
So i had an offer to sell me a set of shocks, but the person declined to send first (43 refs vs my 200+ refs).Any reason to negotiate or just move on ? __________________
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wayne
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posted July 14, 2013 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
So i had an offer to sell me a set of shocks, but the person declined to send first (43 refs vs my 200+ refs).Any reason to negotiate or just move on ?
3rd party?
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WeedIan
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posted July 14, 2013 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by wayne:
3rd party?
I don't know if its worth it paying an extra $20-30 considering i'm in Canada and he's in the US but i can always ask i guess. __________________
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choco man
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posted July 14, 2013 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
I don't know if its worth it paying an extra $20-30 considering i'm in Canada and he's in the US but i can always ask i guess.
Why would it cost an extra $20-30? You would only cross borders once in a 3rd party.
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Zeckk
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posted July 14, 2013 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
So i had an offer to sell me a set of shocks, but the person declined to send first (43 refs vs my 200+ refs).Any reason to negotiate or just move on ?
There's also the notion that it should be relatively safe to do a deal with the guy, if he has 43 recent refs with no BTA history.
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stab107
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posted July 14, 2013 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
So i had an offer to sell me a set of shocks, but the person declined to send first (43 refs vs my 200+ refs).Any reason to negotiate or just move on ?
Of this person's 43 refs, how many are from selling? How many from $100+ deals? If the deals are from selling and of decent value, I say pay first. If the 43 are entirely composed of small deals, or are trades only with no sales, then I say push for a send first or half-and-half at the very least (no paypal gift, offer to split fees).
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chaos021
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posted July 14, 2013 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
So i had an offer to sell me a set of shocks, but the person declined to send first (43 refs vs my 200+ refs).Any reason to negotiate or just move on ?
If you don't trust the guy, then no. If s/he has history that you're not comfortable with for whatever reason (not here long enough, not many large deals, whatever), then walk away. To me, it seems you really want the set pretty badly just to ask the question.
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JoshSherman
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posted July 14, 2013 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
So i had an offer to sell me a set of shocks, but the person declined to send first (43 refs vs my 200+ refs).Any reason to negotiate or just move on ?
Buyer pays first. For some people, including me, no amount of refs will change that. __________________
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SageShadows
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posted July 14, 2013 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Buyer pays first. For some people, including me, no amount of refs will change that.
I would under no circumstance send first to a seller with under 5-10 refs. You earn your stripes on MOTL, and that means getting some refs first or being more accommodating to people. 43 refs is a bit more nebulous; I'd probably ask for 3rd party or move on if you don't feel comfortable.
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WeedIan
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posted July 14, 2013 08:44 PM
I'm usually a bit hesitant until someone has 100 or more refs.Anyways I've asked if there's a way to work around them (if i don't pay by gift he wants the 4%) We'll see, I'm not desperate for the cards but I'm not usually in a position of making a decision about paying first. __________________
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choco man
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posted July 14, 2013 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Buyer pays first. For some people, including me, no amount of refs will change that.
You see that attitude a lot from 0 ref posters with eBay prices. For that, I'm grateful there's other MOTL'ers and eBay.
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WeedIan
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posted July 15, 2013 12:49 AM
What commons/uncommons from RTR block would be considered not bulk outside of the charms?__________________
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Zeckk
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posted July 15, 2013 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
What commons/uncommons from RTR block would be considered not bulk outside of the charms?
Gore-House Chainwalker, Centaur healer, grisly salvage, unflinching courage, call of the conclave, unflinching courage, cartel aristocrat, dreg mangler. I'm sure there's WAY more, but that's just off the top of my head.
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nderdog
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posted July 15, 2013 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by JoshSherman:
Buyer pays first. For some people, including me, no amount of refs will change that.
Maybe I'm too paranoid from having to deal with so many BTA cases, but I would never dream of paying up-front to a member with zero refs, particularly since not providing an address makes it far too easy for returning rippers to avoid getting caught until it's too late. I really wish I could figure out a way to stop that particular loophole.  __________________
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Sovarius
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posted July 15, 2013 09:26 AM
If I post on someone's list to buy cards, and they get back to me giving me their paypal, is that confirmation?I posted, this seller got back to me, giving me their paypal and instructs me to pay by gift.
A few hours later, he gets back to me again and says one of the cards is sold now. In a trade exchanging addresses is to seal the deal, so for a sale does email/paypal address count? I mean, he was clearly saying yes send the money over... A few hours late at night is not enough time to say 'oh well, eff him if he isn't fast enough, deal off'. I feel pretty ripped off this person wasn't going to wait more than a few hours for money, that I can't imagine he is doing anything with at roughly 2 a.m.
I'm sure he will sell the rest of the cards but sad to say that definitely kills the rest of the deal for me. Is this BTA-able? __________________
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Pail42
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posted July 15, 2013 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by WeedIan:
What commons/uncommons from RTR block would be considered not bulk outside of the charms?
Quick search on Starcity Games for uncommons worth more than $1.50 gives me Burning-Tree Emissary, Experiment One, Guttersnipe
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