And basing the the Chalice of the Void decision on people's ability to play their expensive cards seems really, really stupid and shortsighted.

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And basing the the Chalice of the Void decision on people's ability to play their expensive cards seems really, really stupid and shortsighted.

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I don't know anything about Vintage, but I don't think Dig Through Time is as oppressive as R & D and a majority of players do in Legacy. Just look at how many copies are in top 8 decks for the last few Legacy tournaments. When I've seen it played, it was far from game over and was usually an "oh crap" button. I think Treasure Cruise was way better. I just don't see why they think Dig Through Time needed to be banned.

And basing the the Chalice of the Void decision on people's ability to play their expensive cards seems really, really stupid and shortsighted.

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As somebody who rarely plays shops but plays against it, it's a very high variance card in game 1. Winning the die roll became even bigger for shops since the correct play is not necessarily running it out on 0 (0/1 and sometimes 2).

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Still waiting for Prophet of Kruphix, Iona, Deadeye Navigator and Derevi to get the axe in EDH/Commander

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I get Prophet/Iona/Deadeye but I haven't seen anything really obnoxious or broken happen with derevi yet.

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You've obviously not seen some of the prison decks built around him. I've never PLAYED against one, but I've seen some lists online that would probably cause me to punch someone.

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You've obviously not seen some of the prison decks built around him. I've never PLAYED against one, but I've seen some lists online that would probably cause me to punch someone.

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What is your reasoning for that? I'm inclined to think they made the right choice for the reasons they spelled out.

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Like I said, I don't know much about Vintage, but their entire logic was "People should be allowed to play their expensive cards." They even admit that decks can evolve (or devolve) into something to get around it. It's as if they are just trying to push this deck and only this particular deck. That's bull****. I don't care what the format is or the cards involved, if the potentially offending card isn't warping the format in a detrimental way, then they should let it be. Cards get popular. It happens. Good players/builders adapt. Bad players/builders whine.

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Like I said, I don't know much about Vintage, but their entire logic was "People should be allowed to play their expensive cards." They even admit that decks can evolve (or devolve) into something to get around it. It's as if they are just trying to push this deck and only this particular deck. That's bull****. I don't care what the format is or the cards involved, if the potentially offending card isn't warping the format in a detrimental way, then they should let it be. Cards get popular. It happens. Good players/builders adapt. Bad players/builders whine.

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Glad you are not in charge. You wanna play in a vintage environment where moxes aren't playable?

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Except CotV doesn't make moxes unplayable.

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So all you Vintage players are saying that it has been a losing proposition to even attempt playing a Mox within the last year?

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Not at all. But a card like COTV is probably twice as good on the play than the draw. It's always been important to win the die roll to go first, but it is not a good feeling to have basically been wrecked by chalice because you were on the draw.

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I'm curious...is this site policed much any more? I just logged back on after an absence of a couple of years and there's tons of posts now that would have definitely gotten warnings in the past.

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In a format where people are primarily playing to play with moxen, it's best for the format's health if people feel they can play them.

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...Except the deck currently using cotv plays 5-6 moxen itself.

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Not at all. But a card like COTV is probably twice as good on the play than the draw. It's always been important to win the die roll to go first, but it is not a good feeling to have basically been wrecked by chalice because you were on the draw.

I'd say chalice also shares the "unfun" distinction with trinisphere. While it's not inherently broken, if less people find the format enjoyable it might as well be. I don't think chalice needs to rest forever on the restricted list, but it's nice to get a break.

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From what I've seen, everything about Vintage is unfun. Why limit how stupid and crappy it can get arbitrarily?

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I'm curious...is this site policed much any more? I just logged back on after an absence of a couple of years and there's tons of posts now that would have definitely gotten warnings in the past.

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Why has Jace, Vryn's Prodigy suddenly spiked recently? Was there a shortage somewhere?

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Noticed that too, nearing $50. I guess played quite a bit in standard and Orgins drafts slowing down online (and redemption).

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Why has Jace, Vryn's Prodigy suddenly spiked recently? Was there a shortage somewhere?

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It's being played as a 4 of in Bring to Light and is starting to see play as a 3-4 of in modern Grixis decks

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Or somebody bought it out? I don't know. Trying to figure out price trends in magic makes my head hurt.

http://www.mtgprice.com/sets/Magic_Origins/Jace,_Vryn's_Prodigy

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Noticed that too, nearing $50. I guess played quite a bit in standard and Orgins drafts slowing down online (and redemption).

Poor guy was so salty:

Jace and Lili

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$50?? I saw prices around $75.

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