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da-odd-templar
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posted May 20, 2000 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for da-odd-templar   Click Here to Email da-odd-templar     
1.) if i have a temporal adept in play, and i use it's ability, can my opponent heat ray it, and by putting the ray on the stack, in effect counter the adept's ability.

2.) if my negator attacks, and it receives, lets say 4 damage, and i only have 3 permanents in play, can i sac off the negator
as part of its ability, so i dont have to sac off anything else?

3.) question concerning the stack: what speed are different things that go on the stack...like saccing off, mana sources, and so on.

4.) if my opponent casts a spell, and i power sink it for enough to counter it, can my opponent tap his remaining land for mana as a fast effect to play an instant or ability?

thanks for all the help

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posted May 21, 2000 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Magic1264   Click Here to Email Magic1264     
I was playing a double vangaurd extended format tournament and a i lost to two people using a palicron, high tide, brain geyser combo. The tourney observed all banned cards. I asked all the people at the tourney if any of those cards were banned. They all said it has been unbanned since april. But on crystalkeep it just says that brain geyser and high tide have been banned since january tenth 1999. Are those cards banned or did i lose to legal, legit decks. Thank you for your time.


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posted May 21, 2000 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Imagenyuss   Click Here to Email Imagenyuss     
can i use a creature etc. ability that does not require tap if the permanent is taped. (ie: I tap 5 for predator, flagship so the flagship is tapped. Can I tap 2 for its other ability even though its already tapped?)

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posted May 21, 2000 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Imagenyuss   Click Here to Email Imagenyuss     
I have reciently seen a card with islandhome. Are there any cards with mountainhome or foresthome? if so what are they?

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posted May 21, 2000 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dans135   Click Here to Email dans135     
quote:
Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
1.) if i have a temporal adept in play, and i use it's ability, can my opponent heat ray it, and by putting the ray on the stack, in effect counter the adept's ability.

2.) if my negator attacks, and it receives, lets say 4 damage, and i only have 3 permanents in play, can i sac off the negator
as part of its ability, so i dont have to sac off anything else?

3.) question concerning the stack: what speed are different things that go on the stack...like saccing off, mana sources, and so on.

4.) if my opponent casts a spell, and i power sink it for enough to counter it, can my opponent tap his remaining land for mana as a fast effect to play an instant or ability?

thanks for all the help


1)You activate Adept's ability, which goes on the stack. Opponent Plays Heat Ray in response, targetting Adept, which goes on the stack.

Heat Ray resolves, dealing damage to Adept. Then Adept's ability resolves. Removing the source, does not stop the effect from happening.

2)You may sacrifice Negator as part of it's drawback, but that does not prevent you from paying the rest of the drawback.

3)Pretty vague question, but sacrificing permanents as part of the cost of an ability, and mana sources do not go on the stack at all. They happen instantly.

4) Yes, of course. As long as he/she does it before Power Sink resolves.



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posted May 21, 2000 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dans135   Click Here to Email dans135     
quote:
Originally posted by Imagenyuss:
[B]can i use a creature etc. ability that does not require tap if the permanent is taped. (ie: I tap 5 for predator, flagship so the flagship is tapped. Can I tap 2 for its other ability even though its already tapped?)

[B]


Sure you can. If it doesn't say you have to tap to it, then you can do it whether it's tapped or not. That's how creatures like Masticore can play their abilities when tapped, or even while they have summoning sickness.


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posted May 21, 2000 05:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yawgmoth's Lackey   Click Here to Email Yawgmoth's Lackey     
Ok, I have a question, since, im pretty sure, they made things that say like at the beggining of our upkeep do so and so that you can do those during ,not at the start of that phase. So with Necropotence it says at the beggining of your discard phase put the cards in your hand that you set aside, so can you set aside a card during your discard phase then put it into your hand. Basically letting you necro one card at a time until you get what you need. So does that work?

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posted May 22, 2000 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
da-odd-templar: 1. rule 402.6 of the magic rules specifically says that removal of the source of an ability once the ability has been put on the stack doesnt remove the ability... it becomes independant of its source.
2. look above.. no.. once negator is triggered.. you HAVE to as the number of damage it was dealt.. if you dont have enough permenants.. you have to sac everything.
3. sacrificing and mana abilities doesnt go on the stack. sacrifice is usually a cost.. the ability that requires sacrifice goes on the stack, but once the ability starts to resolve, and the sacrificial lamb declared.. its already dead.
4. yes

Magic1264: braingeyser is not allowed in extended.. last time I checked.. the only discontinuted cards from revised allowed in extended were dual lands.. now if you meant 1.5.. its still banned..
secondly.. Fallen empires is no longer legal to play in extended.. so they were cheating.. unless of course.. as I Said.. u were playing 1.5 in which case.. geyser is still banned.

Imagenyuss: yes.
LANDhome is defined as: if opponent controls LAND, this creature may attack, at any time which you dont control LAND, destroy this creature. you may not regenerate it. (or something along those lines.. dont remember specific wording, tho they are explained on the cards)

Yawgmoth's Lackey: necro has been reworded a few times.. might want to check up on the current wording of necro first.. if still have a question then... post it here

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dans135
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posted May 22, 2000 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dans135   Click Here to Email dans135     
quote:
Originally posted by Imagenyuss:
I have reciently seen a card with islandhome. Are there any cards with mountainhome or foresthome? if so what are they?

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The only cards I know of that have Islandhome are Kukemssa Serpent and Manta Ray. I don't think anything else with Xxxxhome exists. (I looked these up in Apprentice)



coolio
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posted May 22, 2000 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
Dans135: well any cards that say what is defined by LANDhome is considered to have LANDhome. an example would be sea serpent.

TemptingElf: I have asked a rather competent judge (the person who I did my certification udner) the question...

here is the answer I got from him.. although I'll see what I get from the lvl 4 netrep and post it later.

Opalesence makes Tide/Wave into creatures.. they remove stuff.. (ability..)
Humility comes into play... creatures (tide/wave) losses abilities... (including fading, or anything else that triggers at beginning of upkeep.. whatever)
so they stop fading. the becomes 1/1's that sit in play... if humility leaves play.. everything returns to normal.. next upkeep (yours) they begin to do their fading again..
however.. if u manage to kill wave/tide while they are 1/1's under humility's influence.. their leave play abilities/effects wont trigger.. thus permenately removing creatures/lands/cards(nexus too) in hand from the game.

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posted May 22, 2000 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Master of Tolaria   Click Here to Email Master of Tolaria     
can you sacrifice more than 1 swamp at a time to a lake of the dead?

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electrobee
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posted May 22, 2000 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for electrobee   Click Here to Email electrobee     
1)when priest of gix in lying in the grave,during my turn,i use unearth on my priest.Will he help me to add three black mana in my pools?
2)is symbosis a freezer when there is only one creature is in play???


coolio
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posted May 22, 2000 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
Master of Tolaria: no

electrobee: no.. he's been errata'd to cast/play from your hand.
2. you need 2 legitimate different targets in order to cast symbosis

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Imagenyuss
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posted May 22, 2000 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Imagenyuss   Click Here to Email Imagenyuss     
I know what Land home is and I have seen Island Home, I was just wondering if there were any cards that had moutain home or forest home or something else along those lines.


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posted May 22, 2000 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Magic1264   Click Here to Email Magic1264     
it might sound stupid, but, what happens when i clone a legend.


TemptingElf
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posted May 22, 2000 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TemptingElf   Click Here to Email TemptingElf     
Your Clone becomes a copy of the Legend that you're targetting, then dies.


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posted May 22, 2000 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
Imagenyuss: I dont know them off the top of my head.. uh.. I aint gonna look thru the card sets to find u an example..

Magic1264: uh... I think Iakae said it a few pages ago.. he learned the hard way that one should never ever try to clone/vesuvan a legend.

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Master of Tolaria
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posted May 23, 2000 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Master of Tolaria   Click Here to Email Master of Tolaria     
this never happend to me i am going to try and stump you.

when squee goes into the graveyard does his ability to come back to your hand during you upkeep go on the stack? Can you (I forgot what the cards was called but you can tap it to remove target card on the botom of players graveyard from the game) use that ability in response to squee going back to owners hand. I know you can use the ability at any time except untap, but just for the sake well say it is during upkeep.

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posted May 23, 2000 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TemptingElf   Click Here to Email TemptingElf     
Yes, Squee's return to hand ability DOES go on the stack. That's how the whole Masticore upkeep/Squee thing works. So in response to your opponent returning Squee to his or her hand, you can cast something like Rapid Decay to remove it from the game or activate a Thran Foundry to shuffle it back into your opponent's library.


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posted May 23, 2000 06:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
uh yeah.. what TemptingElf said..

anyways.. I'm closing this post as its becoming rather huge.. at the request of Leshrac... but I have permission to open a second one... =) which I will be doing..

the link to this post will be in my signature.. if you need it as a point of reference.. or something.. whatever..
my signature will also have the link to the new one..

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Imagenyuss: I have seen foresthome and island home but never any other.

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