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Trademark
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posted May 07, 2000 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Trademark   Click Here to Email Trademark     
You may use abilities of creatures, or cast an instant during your upkeep.


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posted May 07, 2000 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
yes you may absolutely use abilities in response.. unless there was something in play that didnt let u..

such as something like cursed totem.

but other than that sort of thing, you are free to respond as u wish

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posted May 07, 2000 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jigglypuff62166   Click Here to Email Jigglypuff62166     
Ok, I had this ruled against me at a Tourney. Her goes:

My opponent, from here on out known as Party A, puts a spell on the stack after my spell, from here on out I will be known as Party B. At the end of Party B's Combat Phase, Party B plays an Incinerate, which is put on the stack, then Party A responds with an Ertai's Meddling which is put on the stack. Then Party B Ertai's Meddling's Party A's Ertai's Meddling. As a response, Party A casts a Replenish with an Opalescence and a Humility in his Graveyard. Then Party B Mana Drains Party A's Replenish. Then Party A puts a Mana Drain on "The Stack" targeting Party B's Ertai's Meddling. It is now Party A's Main Phase, and Party A now says the Party A has 17 mana from Party A's Mana Drain and Party A then Fireballs Party B for 16, eliminating Party B's life to 0. Then "The Judge" says that Party A's Mana Drain would add mana to Party A's mana pool, even though this was cast during Party A's Main Phase. I think not. What really happens? eMail me with this response.

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posted May 07, 2000 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kworb   Click Here to Email Kworb     
Wow that's a long, long question


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quote:
Originally posted by Jigglypuff62166:
Ok, I had this ruled against me at a Tourney. Her goes:

My opponent, from here on out known as Party A, puts a spell on the stack after my spell, from here on out I will be known as Party B. At the end of Party B's Combat Phase, Party B plays an Incinerate, which is put on the stack, then Party A responds with an Ertai's Meddling which is put on the stack. Then Party B Ertai's Meddling's Party A's Ertai's Meddling. As a response, Party A casts a Replenish with an Opalescence and a Humility in his Graveyard. Then Party B Mana Drains Party A's Replenish. Then Party A puts a Mana Drain on "The Stack" targeting Party B's Ertai's Meddling. It is now Party A's Main Phase, and Party A now says the Party A has 17 mana from Party A's Mana Drain and Party A then Fireballs Party B for 16, eliminating Party B's life to 0. Then "The Judge" says that Party A's Mana Drain would add mana to Party A's mana pool, even though this was cast during Party A's Main Phase. I think not. What really happens? eMail me with this response.

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all righty... first and foremost.. I no longer email replies.. if you need the answer.. check back.. secondly..

lets see.. play mistakes all over.. how do u respond to an ertai's meddling with a replenish? ok.. your combat phase from the previous turn is over.. now its A's turn and his main phase, it is added COLORLESS mana = to the spell countered by mana drain.. so he cant fireball u with the just the mana unless he had a red.

as of now I'm highly confused by the events due to your explanation of what has happened in seemlingly 1... or was it 2 turns??

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Opal titan and the opponents creature is an artifact? pro artifact?..


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I got 2 questions here:

1.) If my opponent Duress me and chooses a Shock in my hand, can I, in response play the Shock and make the Duress fizzle, or does he get to choose another card to discard?

2.) What are the odds of my opponent doing Cursed Scroll's ability 5 times in a row, with 4 cards in his hand?

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Tanle Wire Question... Ok, its my upkeep and the tangle wire has (4) counters on it. Can I remove a counter off the tangle wire in response before I have to tap (4) permanents? That way I only have to tap 3.


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And for deathling, spellbook says to skip your discard phase, and necro says that you use it during your discard phase. And since you dont have one you NEVER draw a card.


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quote:
Originally posted by coolio:
uh.. there's a link in my signature.. and insulting me wont get u anywhere..

as for the test.. its no longer online like the old arena test... too bad.. it was fun

here was one of the questions:

If player A attacks player B with a first striking sengir vampire, how many scryb sprites would player B (barring the 4 card rule) need to block with to kill the vampire?

a) 5 b) 6 c) 12 d) 8

there's is also an alternate answer (using a creature ability, no prot's)
see if u can figure it out

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I believe the answer is b 6 and I'm not about to go search through everycard in my encyclopedia to find one creature effect. i could but I'm not. there is over 4,000 cards (including land) in magic. Thanks for posting the question though. lmk if i'm correct. I came to my conclusion because the vapire gets +1/+1 when a creature it has damaged the same turn goes into the graveyard and if you have little faries and the vampire has first strike one farie dies and the vampire gets +1/+1 and then you would have to take 5 more faries to kill it. as it would have been a 5/5 .

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Coolio,

my opponent has a cradle in play and i use a port to tap it at the beggining of his upkeep, could he in response use the cradle's mana to ping of my creature??

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posted May 07, 2000 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
Goblin_Snowman: no, D'Angelo's rulings has a specific case on this one
If the spell was colorless (an artifact), this card does not get any form of Protection. [DeLaney 98/10/05]


DarkDamion: 1) once your opponent has looked at your hand, its past the time u can respond, duress is in its resolution.
2) unless he has the same cards in hand..
1/4 the first time, 1/16 the second time, 1/64 the third time, 1/256 the fourth time, and 1/1024 the fifth time.

Solar: yes, since fading and the tangle wire "upkeep" both triggers at the beginning of upkeep, you get to choose how to stack them, the one on top of the stack happens first... so if u stack the tap then the fading, fading resolves first then the tap amount.

Fooath: both the spellbook and necro has been errata'd

here's spellbook:
SPELLBOOK
0
Artifact
You have no maximum hand size.

and necro:
NECROPOTENCE
BBB
Enchantment
Skip your draw step.
If you would discard a card from your hand, remove that card from the game instead.
Pay 1 life: Set aside the top card of your library face down. At your next end of turn, put that card into your hand.

imagenyuss: the answer is 12 here's why: the sengir attacks and 12 block it.. attacking player assigns 4, 1 to 4 sprites each. they die.. sengir becomes 8/8, then the other 8 sprites kill it.
another answer is 6 with banding, defending player assigns all 4 to 1 sprite, sengir becomes 5/5 and the other 5 kill it.

Vagata604: yes your opponent can tap the cradle for mana in response to you tapping it with a port, and if he has a masticore, he can use the mana to ping your creatures.

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[This message has been edited by coolio (edited 05-07-2000).]

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If Tangle wire is tapped does it shut off?

EX:

I have 2 Swamps a Negator and Tangle wire with 4 counters. Its my turn , I untap, I remove a counter from tangle wire and have to tap 3 things, i tap tangle wire and 2 swamps. Draw, I attack dealing 5 points of damage to my opponent. He untaps , Then says because tangle wire is tapped it is shut off and he doesn't have to tap anything, Is he right?

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Tangle Wire just plain RULES!

It's price is just about to explode, think of all the decks it goes in.

Well anyways, yes he still taps 3 perminants even though Wire is tapped.

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posted May 07, 2000 06:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolio   Click Here to Email coolio     
tangle wire does not shut off while its tapped because it doesnt specifically say so..

I suppose he's abusing or trying to trick you with the old continous artifacts shut off while tapped.. well there's been an errata on the old "continous" artifacts.. those that shut off have a SPECIFIC errata on them that say they dont work unless untapped..

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ok, there's some new stupid creature that is like, tap, discard a card: counter target spell or ability that targets a creature. Can you counter a Mastisore's regenerating with that? I was arguing with the judge/owner of the store I was playing at/opponent's friend that you can't because the term targeting means that you can possibly do it to something else. With masticore you can oly regenerate itself, in addition to the fact that it does not say "target". I was wonderimg if I was right to say it can't be countered


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ok i have been thinking about this one for a while.......

I have a Amber Prison out,
(Pay 4 Tap: Tap target Artifact, Creature or Land. It doesn't untap during its controller's untap step as long as Amber Prison remains tapped)
Can I use the Amber Prison's abilty on a target that is already tapped , so that it stays tapped?
I think i can.
ut im just checking.

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dukeskywalker: I take it you mean diplomatic escort. masticore's regenerating effect/ability cant not be countered because it doesnt target. not even itself. it just happens.. it could however be prevented by something like furance brood. so yes, you are indeed correct that it cant be countered because it doesnt target.

Raker: amber prison doesnt specifically say tap an untapped artifact, creature or land. so therefore I'd rule it as yes, you can tap something that is already tapped and hold it. the rulings summary by D'Angelo doesnt have anything specific to this so its really up to the current head judge on site.

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Ok here is another question...
My opponent has out an Umbilicus
(During each players upkeep that player either returns a permanent to there hand or pays 2 life)

1)Can I return a land to my hand?
2)If I control no permanents do i have to pay the 2 life?

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1) yes a land is counted as a permanent, as are creatures, artifacts, and local, global enchantments (enchant worlds included)

2) If you don't have a permanent to choose, you can still choose to not pay the life and then just do nothing since there is no
permanent to choose. [bethmo 98/11/24]

That is straight from the D'Angelo's Ruling Summary and also your answer =)

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can i replenish a treachery out
targetting the untargetable morphling ??

sincei din caast the treachery
i dun have to declare the target
does the treachery resolve n izzit legal ?


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another headache for you; this one had 50+ posts on the usenet, and I want your opinion.
The current Oracle wording on Takklemaggot puts Takk into the graveyard when the enchanted creature dies, then returns it to play with the enchanted creature's controller choosing the new target. Does the controller of Takk change when it is brought from the graveyard? People have argued about this for at least 2 weeks, from what I can see.
Thanks
BTW, great post, thank you for doing this. It's now the first thing I check when I come to MOTL.


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witchy: this one has caused some confusion even in pro lvl events.. here's the question that will answer your question.
when you replenish in the treachery, is it a spell? is it an ability?
answer to both of those is no. treachery brought into play by replenish isnt a spell, its a enchant creature card that is PUT into play, more accurately, returned to play. its not an ability of anything, but rather an effect of the resolution of replenish. therefore creatures that are unable to be targetted be *spells* and *abilities* can be chosen to be enchanted with by treachery brought into play via replenish.

while you didnt cast the treachery, you do have to make all decisions for treachery before it comes into play.. and those have to be legal. while and untargettable creature is legal, a pro: blue creature isnt. yes treachery will be legal and you will gain control of the untargetable creature.

Orinn: so you just wants to know if the takklemaggot changes controller every time it bounces in and out of the graveyard.

simple answer found at D'Angelo's:
Note that Takklemaggot is always "controlled" in the game sense by the player who cast it,
even though decisions are being made by the player whose creature is affected. [Aahz
94/07/06]

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posted May 08, 2000 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Solar   Click Here to Email Solar     
Whoa, I think they need to create a new forum for this topic.


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Hm yes I was just wondering, what will happen when I succesfully counterspell pale moon.


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