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coolio Member	posted April 18, 2000 06:30 PM here is the current wording on time vault.. TIME VAULT 2 Artifact Time Vault comes into play tapped. Time Vault doesn't untap during your untap step. If you would take a turn, instead you may untap Time Vault and put a time counter on it. T, Remove all time counters from Time Vault: Take an extra turn after this one. Play this ability if only there's a time counter on Time Vault. now sirhc942: i dont get how u'd be able to forfeit 1 turn to 2 vaults.. but if meant 2 turns for both vaults.. ok.. as for infinite loop of turns.. I figure u mean u tap one vault to give the other a counter.. well there's the loop rule.. which states.. that if a loop can be stopped at any given time, the player controlling the loop picks and number and the loop is repeated that many times. as for warp.. if u choose to skip the turn warp grants u.. u get to untap vault й ------------------ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge www.wizards.com/dci [This message has been edited by coolio (edited 04-18-2000).]
coolio Member	posted April 18, 2000 07:36 PM I have changed my signature to links which I believe can be helpful to people who arent quite clear on the rules.. it has a link to the rules page, one to the oracle card reference (this is that tournaments and judges go by) and one to the judge cert link for those interested in knowing how to become a judge. й ------------------ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules
Fooath Member	posted April 18, 2000 08:05 PM Another good link for specific cards is the following. I dont know how to put on sig so if you would like it would be nice if you linked it through yours coolio. http://www.crystalkeep.com/magic/rules/summaries.html
Superbeast Member	posted April 18, 2000 09:12 PM Doesn't pro-color mean creatures of said color can't block the pro'd creature. Easier words can a black creature declare a block against a pro-black creature? So with the pro-blue Sengir...would the Palichron even be able to legally block? ------------------ -Superbeast- Member of the Cobalt Team "I don't understand why he works so hard on a device to duplicate a sound so easily made with hand and armpit" -Barrin
Richie Member	posted April 20, 2000 02:30 PM If i tap a land for mana and my opponent sacs a strip mine and destroys it i still get the mana right? Please mail me ------------------ Refs Think your Deck can beat my Bounce... Don't make me Bifrucate 400+ Posts and Counting
Fooath Member	posted April 20, 2000 02:34 PM Yes you still get the mana. And a creature with pro-color cant be blocked by a creature of the color it is protected from.
iakae Member	posted April 20, 2000 02:55 PM Here's an interesting one: There's a Opalescence in play, as well as a Pandemonium. You play Parallax Wave. That would do four damage via the Pandemonium. Now, you use a fade counter from the Wave on the Wave itself, which makes it leave play and come back into play. Can you again use this with Pandemonium, creating an infinite damage loop?
coolio Member	posted April 20, 2000 03:51 PM iakae.. when parallax wave remove itself (its allowed to..) it NEVER comes back.. here's a snippet from the judge listserv for daily confusing questions >4. Opalescense is in play, along with Parralax Wave. With the errata on >Wave, if I use its ability to remove itself from the game, does it fizzle, >or does it just remove itself completely from the game never to come back? Wave can remove itself, and then it won't come back, correct. Dan Gray Level IV Certified Judge Official <listserv addy for judges only> Network Representative for Wizards of the Coast, Inc. hope this answers your question.. it doesnt loop.. wave removes itself perm, or so says the net-rep lvl IV from DCI. й ------------------ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here. [This message has been edited by coolio (edited 04-20-2000).]
iakae Member	posted April 20, 2000 04:05 PM How would it work with two Waves? You could concievably stack the first fade counter and take off one from the other Wave. Just have them target each other. How's that pan out?
coolio Member	posted April 20, 2000 04:50 PM due to the errata which states that the wave that you are using the effect from has to be in play for the ability to resolve.. two doesnt work, however.. 3 does.. as for the loop.. it only goes til your opponent hits 0 or less and the next time priority is checked.. they die.. й ------------------ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.
Anon Y Mous Member	posted April 20, 2000 04:55 PM This is a very stupid q,here goes, Can you use Vampire Hounds Abiltity more than once by discarding more than one card? Becuase ever time i play using my vampire hounds deck i never lose. ------------------ "And everybody in this effin place will miss you, if ya try to turn my facial tissue, into a racial issue..." Eminem
Solar Member	posted April 20, 2000 05:07 PM Does a Kor-haven target a creature? My opponent tried to prevent damage from my blastoderm. Does this work?
coolio Member	posted April 20, 2000 05:08 PM yes you can.. here is the oracle wording of vampire hounds VAMPIRE HOUNDS 2B Creature - Hound 2/2 Discard a creature card from your hand: Vampire Hounds gets +2/+2 until end of turn. doesnt say you can use this ability only once a turn.. й ------------------ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.
coolio Member	posted April 20, 2000 05:12 PM KOR HAVEN Legendary Land T: Add one colorless mana to your mana pool. 1W, T: Prevent all combat damage that would be dealt by target attacking creature this turn. that is the current wording of kor haven from the oracle.. boldness incorp for emphasis й also interesting side note for those who still play with dopplegangers.. it now targets.. so dont bother trying to copy untargetable creatures.. ------------------ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.
iakae Member	posted April 20, 2000 05:30 PM And don't use Clones or Doppelgangers on Legends. I learned the hard way that they blow up when I tried to Clone a Volrath.
coolio Member	posted April 21, 2000 12:47 PM uh.... cloning a legend.. heheh smart =) й __________________ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.
swoop ryder unregistered	posted April 21, 2000 02:52 PM I have a question. Can I respond to something I do myself? An example: I have Sliver Queen in play and I make a 1/1 sliver. In response I fault line and kill everybody's creatures including the Queen. Now, when the stack resolves can I then put the little sliver into play without it's mommy or is it impossible to respond to myself?
iakae Member	posted April 21, 2000 03:03 PM You laugh now, coolio, but I ended up Exhuming that Clone and turned it into a nice Two-Headed Dragon that eventually won the game.
coolio Member	posted April 21, 2000 03:29 PM yes, you get to respond to your own actions.. remember.. both players have to pass priority to the stack in order for the spell/ability on the top of the stack to resolve. й __________________ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.
Goblin_Snowman Member	posted April 22, 2000 09:38 AM In regards to faultline sliver question. Similar situation here. I have a bunch of rebel searchers in play . I activate them the find some more rebels, I then cast faultline. Do the new creatures just entering play from the search die too or just the creatures already in play?
coolio Member	posted April 22, 2000 09:50 AM depends if you choose to stack the faultline, if you faultline in response to searching, then the new oneas dont die, however, if you let the searching resolve first, then faultline.. all creatures will most likely die (if u faultline for enough) й __________________ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.
EskimoJoe1584 Member	posted April 22, 2000 11:49 AM If its not too much trouble could you please E-Mail me the response? 1. If an enchant creature reads, "enchanted creature can't be the target of spells or abilitys" is the enchant creature card itself targetable? 2. Enchantments are NOT effected by summoning sickness, right? Thanks for your help, __________________ EskimoJoe GAB Sapphire Team "Must not all things be swallowed up by death?"
coolio Member	posted April 22, 2000 02:47 PM emailed ya the answer =) off to write my judging article/report to dci =) hopefully I'll get report/article of the month =) yay!! й __________________ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.
Crossing Member	posted April 22, 2000 03:11 PM Nice Post... Well anyways I have a Tangle Wire out with 3 counters on it. During my opponents upkeep, he puts Tangle Wire's effect on the stack. He then responds by tapping 3 islands to give his morphling protection and flying. He then lets Tangle Wire resolve and says he had already tapped enought perminants. Tangle Wire reads Fading 4 During each player's upkeep, that player taps an UNTAPPED creature, artifact, or land for each counter on Tangle Wire. is that legal?
coolio Member	posted April 22, 2000 03:43 PM what he did is wrong, he still had to tap 3 artifacts, lands, or creatures from the tangle wire simply because it does say untapped on tangle wire, and secondly he stacked, tangle wire. things dont resolve simutaneously, so after he had everything else resolved except tangle wire, he had to tap 3 more lands, artifacts, or creatures. й __________________ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference MTG Rules Got Magic:The Gathering Questions? Get them answered here.

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