posted April 17, 2000 09:15 PM            

btw.. there are a few special circumstances where I wont answer the question.. such as humility and opalesence.. trust me.. u dont want to begin even thinking of the answer.. and neither does any certified judge... it gives us headaches..

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posted April 17, 2000 10:23 PM         

During his upkeep, he puts a Nether Fiend from his graveyard and sacs it for Contamination. In response, I poke the Fiend with my Masticore and killed it.

My question, will the Contamination go to the graveyard and be sacrifice because the Fiend is already dead before he can sacrifice it?

posted April 17, 2000 10:34 PM            

muder'arunen: If you dealt say, 20 damage with one fault line, I think that you would lose and your opponent with the Pariah would win: all damage dealt to him would be dealt to the enchanted creature, so once damage resolves,.. it will all go on the creature and none to him.. could be wrong of course..

Ah well, there goes my attempt at pretending to understand the rules of magic.

posted April 18, 2000 08:12 AM            

muder'arunen: ok here's what happens.. if you had repercussion in play which I assume u did.. here is what happens.. the person gets dealt damage... which gets redirected to the pariah... now the creature is dealt damage, which triggers reprecussion.. now everytime priority is given to a player.. state based effects are checked.. one of which is if a creature has taken lethal damage.. it dies.. now when the creature takes damage.. it triggers the repercussion and repercussion damage goes on stack... but u also check if the creature dies or not.. this loop continues until the second the creature is dead, and repercussion would trigger one last time after the creature is dead.. and the player is dealt however much damage. I'll have a full explaination later tonight as I have to run out to class now.

Genesis: The Judge that ruled against you is correct. I think this is all the explaination you need: sacrtifice doesnt go on the stack, effects do, not sacrifice. So the second your opponent declared his sacrifice to upkeep contamination, the nether spirit (believe u meant him) is already not in play.

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posted April 18, 2000 11:27 AM            

I have a question,
If Seal of Cleansing is the only Enchantment in play. Can I Scour it, or can it sacrifice it's self to destroy it's self. With sacrifice rules I'm not sure that it could remove it's self in this manner, which would result in the ablity to scour it as long as no other enchantments are in play.

posted April 18, 2000 12:10 PM            

Sorry but you have it wrong. You CAN use a Masticore to stop Contamination. Here's how it works-

Beginning of Upkeep, active player puts all triggers on the stack. So, they put the Contamination effect on the stack (you don't sacrifice at this time) and in response, put Nether spirit on the stack.

Nether spirit resolves and returns to play.

Now, before the contamination resolves, you ping the spirit. it dies.

contamination resolves. NOW is when you choose whether to sac a creature or sac contamination. Since you have no creatures, contamination dies.

Read to rules on upkeep triggers and on what is chosen on announcement (targets and modes only, usually) if you need to read up on it.

posted April 18, 2000 12:25 PM            

but yes.. if you choose to play it that way.. you can kill the spirit before it gets sacced to the contamination (spirit come back resolves, priority gets passed around like hotcakes.. kill spirit at this time), but however.. once he says he's saccing the spirit to contamination.. the spirit is already gone. if you re-read.. I never said u cant stop contamination with masticore.. I just explained that once his opponent has declared, "I sac spirit to contamination", he cant stop it with masticore at that time. I have not gone against what you have said pai, as I as a player, constantly use the stack to get around a lot of things. thats not abusing, just playing wisely, and playing the way you are to play. to be more specific Genesis.. it all depends when you announce things.. if you feel unsure, always have your opponent declare everything on the stack and all. may seem annoying, but assures your opponent gives u sufficient time to respond to each action.

BEEFED: you'd need a legal target after the seal has been sac'd or else you cant do it.. much like how you cant sac law/light-bringer if there isnt a black/red creature in play to avoid eradicate. *I'll dbl check on this one to make 100% sure*

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posted April 18, 2000 12:30 PM            

Anyway, I have a Grindstone out and I grindstone his mono white deck. His first discards are the same color so he does it again. Again both cards dicarded are the same color. DOES the cycle repeat AGAIN?

This is kinda a stupid one... My friend has a Sengir Vampire w/ a Cho-Mannos Blessing on it (Blue). He attacks me w/ it and I block with my Palinchron. The Palinchron doesn't die but I also have a Noble Purpose in play. Did th Palinchron deal damage so I gain life or no?
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posted April 18, 2000 01:08 PM            

Me and my oppenent are both at three, And Simultanousley we both announce that we are bolting each other, what happens? lol

posted April 18, 2000 01:16 PM            

I think it'd be a good idea to have a weekly column devoted to rules questions. coolio, are you able to do it? Lord knows I'm not qualified.
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posted April 18, 2000 02:02 PM            

As far as the seal of cleansing thing, you declare targets before paying costs, so you can declare that your seal of cleansing is targeting your (same) seal of cleansing, then sac it. Very rarely is this useful, but it works.

As far as weekly/daily rules questions/column I'd be happy to help out with something like that, however I'm not a certified judge. (just very good with the rules

posted April 18, 2000 02:54 PM            

Zuberi: I have suggested this in the suggestions forum before, but it was decided that since noone would be sure if rulings would be right, the idea was put on hold.. I think.. but it wasnt going to happen soon.
Zuberi - a: grindstone's process repeats until it doesnt grind 2 of the same color.
zuberi - b: damage prevented or reduced to 0 is considered never dealt, and since one of the advantages of pro (color) is reduce damage dealt to 0, your palinchron never dealt damage, thereby never triggering noble purpose.

maddmatr: current oracle wording of shimmer:
SHIMMER
2UU
Enchantment
As Shimmer comes into play, choose a land type.
All lands of the chosen type have phasing.

phasing is an ability of cards from the mirage block. phasing is defined as:

Phasing:
Phasing causes permanents to enter and leave play on their own.
When a permanent phases out, it leaves play and is set aside, much as if it had been removed from the game. Any enchantments on the permanent phase out along with it. The permanent also keeps any counters it has as well as any permanent changes that have been made to it. Otherwise, all effects that depend on that permanent being in play or that apply to it while it's in play end immediately. All damage on it is removed, and because it's considered out of play, any effects scheduled to affect it at end of turn are ignored.

A permanent that's phased out will phase in (that is, return to play) at the beginning of its controller's next untap phase. Note that if might or might not enter play under the control of that player, as only effects that gave control of it to someone permanently will remain on it when it phases out. When a permanent phases in, it enters play tapped if and only if it was tapped when it phased out. (In other words, it enters play tapped as appropriate instead of entering play untapped and then becoming tapped.) Effects that would normally trigger as the permanent comes into play are ignored. Permanents phase in without summoning sickness.

A permanent with phasing phases out automatically at the beginning of its controller's untap phase, at the same time as other permanents would be phasing in. It doesn't phase out on the turn in which it phased in.

If a token phases out, it's removed from the game entirely, because it has left play.

to answer your question, when you choose swamps, they gain phasing, meaning at the beginning of their (the swamps) controller's untap step, they "phase out"

I think the above snippet from wizards website shall explain how phasing works.

Yawgmoth's Lackey: its not possible to simultanously announce bolt onto the stack, active player always has priority and then the non active player always has a chance to respond to the stack, whenever one bolt resolves and priority to the stack is once again given to a player, state based effects check, and if there is a player at 0 or less, they die.

BoneShredder: you dont flip a coin =) hehe.. active player always gets priority to the stack during their turn, but the last person that casts the bolt that resolves first (meaning the last one on the stack) and reduce the other player to 0 or less wins.

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posted April 18, 2000 03:33 PM            

Even if rulings were unofficial they would help to understand the way stack works etc.

posted April 18, 2000 04:10 PM            

Oh yea, I didn't know that the Palinchron couldn't even block the vampire. Thanks Coolio (and Kryptic13. hehe)

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posted April 18, 2000 06:00 PM            

my opponent attacks with a Trained Armodon(3/3)...

Idecided to block with my Llanowar Elf, Then Sacrificed it to the Ashnod's altar to make mana. I then used the mana to activate Saproling Cluster and discards two cards to have 2 1/1 Tokens.

Can I block with those Tokens to kill the 3/3 Armodon???

can you e-mail me the answer...

posted April 18, 2000 06:09 PM            

Zuberi, I try to be as accurate as I can be to my knowledge and judging expertise.. but I can still be wrong, also, as the rules of Magic say, the presiding head judge makes all final rulings, you are free to file formal complaint for debate to DCI.

Imagenyuss: the rules card that came with each english legends boosters has stated how enchant worlds work.. and is as follows.. there may only be 1 enchant world in play at any one time, whenever a new one comes into play, you discard (and I believe its now changed to sacrifice) the previous one. the previous one is the one that leaves, the newer one stays put.

River Boa: email ya when I finish I get done with this reply..

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