If this question appear twice (my mistake).

posted May 12, 2000 12:59 PM            

Text(US+errata): 0/7. (Walls can't attack.) ; Whenever ~this~ blocks, return it to its
owner's hand at end of combat. [Oracle 99/05/01]

posted May 13, 2000 04:38 AM            

Then he plays two man 'o' wars, saying he targets both abilities onto the same manowar.
I tell him he cant, because the manowars cant be played in response, but he said there was this big, long comlicated article on MOTL that explained why he can. Who is right, and if he is, where is this article?

posted May 13, 2000 05:46 AM         

Kworb was not wrong about this. Regardless of when the card was made, and regardless of what your card might have published on it, the official wording on the card now labels it as a wall.

Artifact Creature - Wall

Wall of Junk
Color=Artifact Type=Artifact Creature - Wall Cost=2 US(U1)
Text(US+errata): 0/7. (Walls can't attack.) ; Whenever ~this~ blocks, return it to its owner's hand at end of combat. [Oracle 99/05/01]

posted May 13, 2000 05:55 AM         

RE: Two Manowars. (You were right)

I'm sure COOLIO (the real judge) will point out that creature spells can normally only be played when the stack is empty. Therefore, both the first ManoWar and its "comes into play" ability would have to resolve before your opponent could play a second Manowar. Since your creature cannot be the target of the Manowars "comes into play" ability, the Manowar would have no choice but to bounce itself (assuming there were no other targets in play).

Sounds like your opponent was grasping at straws to avoid death from your Blastoderm!

posted May 13, 2000 06:09 AM         

RE: Stupor/Compost/Masticore.

Just to clarify Kworbs answer:

posted May 13, 2000 06:34 AM         

RE: River Boa/Rancor/Humble.

Yes the Humble is powerful, but its also a one shot deal.
Rancor modifies a creature.
Humble modifies a creature.
In your example, the Humble modifies the River Boa last.
To make sense of this, consider what would happen if you Giant Growthed the Boa AFTER the Humble resolved. The Humbled 0/1 Boa would gain +3/+3 and become 3/4 until end of turn.

RE: Brainstorming for a Counterspell.

Now this is certainly something that is different than "old school" ways.
BUT, it is not ridiculous. The old "series and batches" were ridiculous.
And yes, "last in, first out" still applies.

You play a creature. Before your creature spells resolves, your opponent play s a Brainstorm. You both pass adding any more spells to the stack. So the Brainstorm (last in) resolves first. During the resolution of the Brainstorm your lucky opponent draws a Counterspell (and puts cards back as Brainstorm instructs). Everytime a spell or ability resolves from the stack, players get to add more to the stack. So your opponent plays a Counterspell, which has to target a spell on the stack. Your creature spell is still on the stack, so he plays counterspell targetting the creature spell. The Counterspell (last in!)resolves first, removing the creature spell from the stack.

posted May 13, 2000 08:54 AM            

I'll thru these one by one.. for those of you who have already gotten answers.. if you just wanted it from me, here it is..

Olorin: No you may not, he will still have one card in his hand (if he chooses to draw it) when stupor, as the last part of resolution hits the graveyard.

Jason Creamier: 1. humble does nullify the rancor's affect. here is how it works.. you have the rancor, he casts humble, effects are checked, in time stamp order (meaning the order they are played) rancor checks first since it was played earlier, making boa a 4/1, then humble checks, making boa 0/1. its all rather specific in the D'Angelo's Ruling Summar in my signature, there is a link.
2. this is how the stack works, you as the active player cast something, then you have priority to again add something else to the stack. after which, your opponent will get the chance. at this time he adds brainstorm to the stack. since neither of you wants to add anything else, brainstorm resolves. now that the top spell of the stack resolves, you and then your opponent will both once again get a chance to add something to the stack, at this point, if he found a counterspell with the brainstorm, he can add it to the stack countering your skirge.

Magic1264: a sideboard is a stack of 15 cards, no more, no less, that is generally used in a tournament to help you deal with problems your opponent presents during the course of the match.. lets just call it 15 hoser cards. at the end of game 1 in a match, players may decide to use their sideboard and put into the decks, although the change must be a subsitute on a 1 for 1 basis with the main deck.

fallenangel1021: the current wording of wall of junk in the Oracle is as follows:
WALL OF JUNK
2
Artifact Creature - Wall
0/7
#(Walls can't attack.)#
Whenever Wall of Junk blocks, return it to its owner's hand at end of combat.

this is what the Judges go by and what the players should get to know as the only correct wording.

fd2005: lifeline was errata'd so that it works for everyone rather soon after it first came out.

NeoGeneration: yes the underground sea is a swamp, and you will get B whether you tap the underground sea for either B or U.

weasel69: yes, both spellbook and library of leng now both say you have no max hand size.

weasel69: uh.. since when did he get to play creatures in response to one another? unless he had vernal equinox in play, that cant be done. each man'o'war would target itself as the only legal target. your opponent cheated.. simple as that. as for that big long complicated article? I havent seen it. if you see pls post a link.. I'd be most interested in reading it.

rpitcher: when did this become kworb's post? last time I checked *I* was the certified judge. when exactly did this post become kworb's ruling post?

diablo738: yes you can use the misdirection to misdirect the counterspell to the misdirection. after misdirection resolves and you move onto the counterspell to resolve, its target is no longer there and therefore counters itself.

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posted May 13, 2000 08:59 AM            

not just tournament.. we, the dci also make regular game changes.. we, the dci.. are charged with the care of the rules.. period.

posted May 13, 2000 09:29 AM         

I dunno how I got you mixed up with Kworb.
Obviously I meant you, the Judge who began and continues the good work here at this post.

My apologees to both of you.