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da-odd-templar Member	posted June 28, 2000 12:36 AM my question wasn't irrelevent, what if somebody who saw that question, then in the future, used that knowledge from this very post about the question as evidence for something...oh i dunno, im just rambling, its like 2:30 AM, and i need sleep...aah...sleep... __________________ "Is Santa Claus so jolly because he knows where all the naughty girls live?" "Whose cruel idea was it for the word LISP to have an S in it?" "That's the sandbox...my daddy says I can't go in the deep end."-Ralph Wiggum [Edited 1 times, lastly by da-odd-templar on June 28, 2000]
guenhwyvar Member	posted June 28, 2000 07:40 AM Ashlie: The question was posed somewhere along the lines on either this question post or the last one. Coolio said that they decided to use the last known value on tangle wire so you would have to tap permanents. __________________ -Guenhwyvar Member of G.A.B Blue Team and Judge in training.
Kworb Member	posted June 28, 2000 08:41 AM I don't appreciate encouragements to spam my e-mail account with useless crap Anyway I have a real question... If I use my Viashino Heretic to kill my opponent's Tangle Wire but in response he Rescues it, does he still take 3 damage?
da-odd-templar Member	posted June 28, 2000 07:25 PM Don't worry Kworb, all my "irrelevent" messages will continue to be posted, not sent to your e-mail. __________________ "Is Santa Claus so jolly because he knows where all the naughty girls live?" "Whose cruel idea was it for the word LISP to have an S in it?" "That's the sandbox...my daddy says I can't go in the deep end."-Ralph Wiggum
*Tedman* Member	posted June 28, 2000 07:38 PM Coolio, I think the time has come to make a new topic...
nebulite unregistered	posted June 28, 2000 07:40 PM I secon Tedman. __________________ If you are reading this than you've probably realised that I couldn't think of anything else to say.
NeoGeneration Member	posted June 28, 2000 07:54 PM One last question before a new topic is formed: If I activate my Nevrilyn's Disk, and in response my opponenet taps it with an Icy Manipulatpor does it still go off?
guenhwyvar Member	posted June 29, 2000 06:33 AM It still goes off since by the time the icy resolves the disk is no longer there. __________________ -Guenhwyvar Member of G.A.B Blue Team and Judge in training.
da-odd-templar Member	posted June 29, 2000 11:40 AM ok, now im confused... im not too bright on stacking rules, but i thought it was lifo order. so with that in mind, if u try to activate nevin. disk, then somebody taps it, wouldnt the disk go on the stack, then the tap goes on top, so the tap resolves first, taps the icy, then when the icy tries to tap to use the ability, it's already tapped, so it can't do it. please help me, and also, if anybody knows a link to an EASY TO UNDERSTAND explanation of the stack rules, then plz let me know...notice the emphasis on the EASY TO UNDERSTAND part, i dont need a link to the official magic rules, those confuse me even more. __________________ "Is Santa Claus so jolly because he knows where all the naughty girls live?" "Whose cruel idea was it for the word LISP to have an S in it?" "That's the sandbox...my daddy says I can't go in the deep end."-Ralph Wiggum
guenhwyvar Member	posted June 29, 2000 12:26 PM Da-Odd-Templar: Well, I figured someone would have a question regarding this so here goes. The reason that the disk is not around when the icy tries to tap it is thus: When you declare you are goign to do something, you pay all costs at the time you declare, such as tapping, sacrificing, etc. Additionally, remember that a sacrifice cannot be responded to, much like the tapping of land cannot be responded to. Therefore, I tap and sac the disk, which is paid at declaration, in response you try to tap the disk, which is no longer there, so the icy effect "fizzles". As to "easy to understand stack rules" I can't help you. I just got the offical rules and waded through them answering questions here. __________________ -Guenhwyvar Member of G.A.B Blue Team and Judge in training.
Morphling316 Member	posted June 29, 2000 12:37 PM As you were talking about the Crumbling Sanctuary in the second reply is the ssame true with 2 Teferi's Puzzle Box in play do you do it's ability twice one after the other or what? Also can you use Rootwater thief's ability more than once?
cradleguard Member	posted June 29, 2000 03:02 PM Yo coolio! here's one for you. I was playing in an extended tournament and my opponent played a flood plain which can be sacrificed to search for a plain or an island and put that into play. When he sacced it, he put a Tundra into play. is that legal? It specifically says search for an island or a plain, not cards that count as islands or plains. I'd appreciate your ruling on that. Thanks. __________________ Commander cradleguard Cobalt Team MOTL Moderator cradleguard@magictraders.com *It is My Duty to Please the Booty!*
Archreaper Member	posted June 29, 2000 08:30 PM Hey Cradleguard, I was just thinking about that. I think you could do that, but I'm not a judge. __________________ Archreaper "My power is as vast as the plains; my strength is that of the mountains. Each wave that crashes upon the shore thunders like blood in my veins." AIM Handle: Solar Avatar ICQ Number: 75681760 E-Mail address:zephid1000@hotmail.com
Magic1264 Member	posted June 29, 2000 10:26 PM I would like to do the disk one... You never sac the disk cause it is not part of the cost( in other words, you can regen it). But the reason why you can't tap something in response to stop an ability because tapping is an activation cost, so there is no way you can tap a disk because he can tap in response, but if you tap the disk, he can just tap it in response.( I had a similar question on this post a couple weeks ago) My question is if you try to bribery a deck, and he misdirections it at your deck, can you search your deck or when he does it you become an illegal target and the spell fizzles. Please help.
guenhwyvar Member	posted June 30, 2000 08:13 AM Morphling: Yes, all the teferi's puzzle boxes would trigger. And you can only use rootwater thief's ability once, unless it deals damage more than once. Cradleguard: I think you can, since tundra for example counts as a plains and an island. Magic1264: Good pt. on the Disk. I just never went back and re-read the card. ;P About the bribery, you have to target an opponent's library with it so when the bribery targeted your library it would fizzle. __________________ -Guenhwyvar Member of G.A.B Blue Team and Judge in training.
Drengar Member	posted June 30, 2000 08:28 AM ofcourse the disk will go off once it is trigered it goes on the stack and nothin chanches that removing it won't even have the effect __________________ Where the most people stay behind, I go on. -Drengar, Master Wizard -
da_dude Member	posted June 30, 2000 11:58 AM A little question: What happens if I control a Pandemonium and a Glorious Anthem, when a creature comes into play on my side? Does it deal damage equal to the power written on the card or the power on the card +1?
guenhwyvar Member	posted July 01, 2000 10:48 PM It will do the power +1 because it doesn't check for the power until the ability resolves. Along the same lines. . . E.3.Ruling.4 - Continuous effects that will apply after the permanent is in play are applied before deciding which abilities do and do not trigger. __________________ -Guenhwyvar Member of G.A.B Blue Team and Judge in training.
reinhart Member	posted July 02, 2000 01:17 PM If I giant growth my llanowar, can somebody hit him with a kris mage or prodigal sorcerer before the giant resolves, thus killing my llanowar?
guenhwyvar Member	posted July 02, 2000 02:13 PM Yep, because the shock resolves, state-based effects are checked, and the elf dies. However, if you giant growthed in response to the arc mage or shock, he'd live. __________________ -Guenhwyvar Member of G.A.B Blue Team and Judge in training.
cheewok Member	posted July 02, 2000 02:26 PM Alright, I dunno if this has been asked yet but.......Can I, at any time put a card in my hand into my graveyard? I heard this somewhere cuz if you can I could use Necromancy on it and put it into play for 3 instead of 7 or 9. __________________ "If your gonna lose, at least make sure they don't win as much - Jula, goblin raider
gwilkins10 unregistered	posted July 02, 2000 02:34 PM I was wondering if any one knew if a Dark Ritual lasts for one turn or forever?
coolio Member	posted July 02, 2000 03:50 PM cheewok: I dont know where u heard that.. but no.. gwilkins10: the 3 black stays until used or end of phase.. at which point u get burned. © 1 more thing.. since I see others are trying to start the 3rd post for me.. I'll do it myself.. __________________ Reference Page: www.magictraders.com/reflists/coolio.html DCI Certified Level I Judge Judge Certification & Training Oracle Card Reference D'Angelo Rulings Summary MTG Rules My Judge Article Rules Question Post #1 Rules Question Post #2

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