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Topic: Need a Ruling? come on in.. part 2.. the quest for answers.. hehe =)
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guenhwyvar
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posted June 15, 2000 08:03 AM
Orinn:
1) Yes
2) Yes
K.5.Ruling.7 - When a permanent stops being a creature, any counters,
effects, and damage on it remain on it until they would normally be removed (if ever). If the counters or effects make no sense when applied to a non-creature, then they do not do anything. But if the land or artifact returns to being a creature, they may take effect again. [WotC Rules Team 95/09/22] For example, a +1/+1 counter from Dwarven Weaponsmith would remain, the effect of Giant Growth will wear off at end of turn, and damage will be removed at end of turn.
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Kworb
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posted June 15, 2000 10:38 AM
You never answered my question  I was wondering if a creature with 0 toughness (because a card like engineered plague gives it -1/-1) comes into play... I think so, but I want to be sure.
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Drengar
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posted June 15, 2000 10:46 AM
Kworb Yes they do come into play__________________
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Kworb
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posted June 15, 2000 10:51 AM
Drengar, I don't trust your answers, you were the one who thought sacrificing goes on the stack
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Drengar
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posted June 15, 2000 10:53 AM
it doesn't __________________
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swoop ryder
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posted June 15, 2000 12:15 PM
it has to come into play for a card that gives creatures in play -1/-1 to take effect.
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Time Walk
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posted June 15, 2000 03:30 PM
I need help, u know how false prophet card says when it is put into graveyard, remove all creatures from the game? Well my friends said remove all creatures even from hand, library, graveyard from the game. That is sooooo cheap. is this card misprinted? Cause false prophet does not say remove all creatures in play from the game. Coolio plz tell me the real way of this card. thanks__________________
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Kworb
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posted June 15, 2000 03:34 PM
Creatures in your hand, library and graveyard, are not considered creatures, but creature cards. Only creatures in play really count as creatures.
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electrobee
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posted June 15, 2000 06:09 PM
If I plays a Gamble,after searching my lightning bolt,then I have to discard a card at random.Then my opponent chooses my lightning bolt again.Can I play my lightning bolt as a fast effect?
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*Tedman*
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posted June 15, 2000 06:34 PM
Uh, Coolio, you might want to start another post. Here's an idea for the name:Need a Ruling? come on in... part 3: The Neverending Topic
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guenhwyvar
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posted June 15, 2000 08:37 PM
Kworb: Creatures come into play but die the next time state based effects are checked. I.e. the resolution of the spell.Time Walk: It only affects the creatures in play at the time false prophet goes to the graveyard. Electrobee: No. The resolution of the spell involves both picking a card and discarding one at random. You can't "break into" the resolution of seperate parts of a single spell. *Sings the 'Neverending Story' theme song."
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Imagenyuss
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posted June 16, 2000 11:08 AM
if I have Four consecrate lands on four of my lands, and then i use armageddon. Do i still bury the lands that are enchanted by consecrate land?__________________
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Kworb
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posted June 16, 2000 11:14 AM
Imagenyuss: No, they aren't affected by spells that destroy them. Consecrate would have to be removed first.
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JuzamDjin
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posted June 16, 2000 11:41 AM
i dunno if this has been asked before but here:
if i play chimeric staff,then i play karn's touch(i know 2 crappy unplayable cards) on the staff,what will happen with the ability that makes it an X/X creature
next:
if i use icy manipulator to tap my opponants ring of gix can you tap the icy in responce so the ring of gix was never tapped by the icy?
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Kworb
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posted June 16, 2000 11:52 AM
JuzamDjin: the Chimeric Staff becomes 4/4next question: huh?
you tap the ring with your icy and then you want to tap the icy?
well since tapping the ring goes on the stack, the ring will get tapped, no matter what happens
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Master
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posted June 16, 2000 11:58 AM
ive got a question...i attack with a delraich...he blocks with a cho-manno...it says prevent all damage that would be delt to her..and dont you have to deal lethal damage for it to trmple over? or do you have to assign lethal damage...well since she cant take damage..can you deal/assign it? and this has always confused me! WHERE DIOES THE TRAMPLE DAMAGE GO! thanks in advance! __________________
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Ncromonitor
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posted June 16, 2000 12:52 PM
I'm playing Ankh-Tide, and I have an Ankh of Mishra and a Parallax Tide in play. I remove four counters off Tide to remove four of my opponents lands, and in response my sacrifices an elvish lyrist to kill my tide. Do my opponent's lands ever leave play? Does he take damage?
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DarkDamion
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posted June 16, 2000 01:02 PM
Ok I got another question. Okay my opponent attackes with a Negator, and I block the Negator with a Rainbow Efreet(3/1 Flying UU: Phase it out). Now if the dmg is on the stack, and I phase the Efreet out, do I still take the Trample dmg??Oh and another question, my opponent plays a Parallax Dementia on my Rainbow Efreet, now my question is that if I phase out the Efreet, and I know the Dementia comes with it, there are no fading counters being removed is there, as long as its being phased??
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Selvaxri
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posted June 16, 2000 03:10 PM
i cast Thrive (XG, put a +1/+1 counter on each of X target creatures), can i target the same creature more than once?i have overlaid terrain out, and i play Rhystic Cave (Tap: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool unless a player pays 1.) i tap the cave for two green (via terrain), can my opponent pay 1 to dissolve the mana? i play Treetop Bracers on my really big Titania's Chosen, and attack... my opponent has Spidersilk armor out, can he block? i have Recycle out, a Reclaim in my graveyard and hand; can i do this:
1) play Reclaim
2) put other Reclaim on top of library
3) draw Reclaim via Recycle
4) Repeat steps 1-3 until i run out of green mana
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guenhwyvar
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posted June 17, 2000 07:29 AM
Master: You would have to deal "lethal damage" to cho-manno, which would be 2. You could trample the other 4 over to your opponent.Ncromoniter: If you remove a counter, in response remove another counter, etc, and after you're all done that he removes the parallax tide w/the lyrist this is what happens. Lyrist is the last thing on the stack so it resolves and the parallax tide is destroyed. All lands removed from play come back *which is none at this point*. P. tide isn't in play so it's effects never happen. No damage dealt. DarkDamion: Trample damage goes thru if you phase the blocker out.
Selvaxri:
1) Only 1 counter per creature.
2) Overlaid terrain provides a seperate ability that couldn't be countered by spending 1.
3) Yes he can block.
4) You would draw the card via recycle before the reclaim would resolve.
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Goblin_Snowman
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posted June 17, 2000 06:40 PM
With show and tell who plays there permanent first or do you each select one not reveal it and then play?
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Mageman
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posted June 17, 2000 06:53 PM
if there is a thran lens out and i use a distorting lens for ummm green, which wins if is my turn?
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Drengar
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posted June 17, 2000 07:06 PM
Still 9 pages?i'm SHOCKED 2 days and not 1 page filled yet __________________
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maro1
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posted June 18, 2000 09:49 AM
If I have a Skittering Horror in play and I have a Ravenous Rats in my Graveyard, and I play Unearth to put the Rats into play, will the Rats force my Skittering Horror to be sacrificed?
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Selvaxri
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posted June 18, 2000 12:06 PM
i turn my opponents cradle and other lands into creatures via Jolrael. then i cast Parallax Wave, and remove most of them.
when the wave dies, do the lands come back into play?
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