posted May 31, 2000 02:54 PM         

T.8.13 - If two continuous effects contradict one another, the more restrictive one takes precedence regardless of the order the effects came into play. This applies to any contridiction of continuous effects, except the adding or removing of an ability. [CompRules 99/11/01]

posted May 31, 2000 02:59 PM         

Note, however, that there are no "official" rules for multiplayer games. Just suggestions and rules for how certain cards should be read.
M.1.Ruling.1 - In most multi-player rules, if a player is "killed", all of the cards that player owns are immediately removed from the game, regardless of who controls them at the time. [D'Angelo 96/10/06] Spells
and abilities the player controls which are on the stack will continue to resolve. [D'Angelo 99/06/23]

Hope I helped!

posted May 31, 2000 06:40 PM            

here's a few things to help you.. the person with questions.. and Kevin on perhaps some prophecy questions..

This was just on the judges listserv today written by Paul.. one of the lvl 3 netreps..

has some answers to questions that came up during pre-releases.. despite having the FAQ.. hopefully these explanations will help resolve any questions anyone may have about problematic cards.. (I still personally believe all of R&D and the playtesters had to be drunk for the entire duration of the creation of Prophecy to let the rather poor and stupid iffy mana ability of Rhystic Cave slip)

without further ado.. the new clarifications that I feel would help.. (I cut out the useless and very obvious stuff)

* Hollow Warrior - This is an additional cost to attack or block with
this creature, so is paid as you declare attackers. So if Hollow Warrior
attacks, you have to tap a creature that's not attacking (or one that's
attacking but doesn't have to tap to do so). If Hollow Warrior blocks,
it can tap itself as this additional cost just fine.

* Inflame - Creatures that were dealt damage, then were regenerated,
were still dealt the damage even though it was removed. Inflame will
still affect them. Inflame will not affect creatures which had all the
damage to them prevented (such as Cho Manno, Revolutionary).

* Keldon Berserker - The triggered ability checks whether your lands are
tapped when it triggers, and when it resolves. Creatures become
"attacking" after a legal attack is declared and all costs are paid. If
there is a War Tax in effect, you can tap for mana while declaring your
attack.

* Mercenary Informer - This is not Strongarm Thug (thankfully). It
targets Mercenary cards in play, not in the graveyard (yes, it
effectively kills them). It can target itself, as it is a Mercenary, and
it can target Mercenary cards that are not currently creatures. If there
is a Conspiracy set to Mercenaries, it still cannot target a card that
does not actually say "Creature - Mercenary" on it (because Conspiracy
changes the creature type of cards in play and the card type of cards in
the hand, library and graveyard).
Rebel Informer is the same for all instances of mercenary changed to rebel.
for explanation of why it cant target cards in the graveyard.. the game has
the simple rule of a card in the graveyard only is its card.. such as
creature, enchantment, land, etc. even if its a creature card.. it doesnt
retain the type unless a card targetting something in the graveyard specifically
says so

* Reveille Squad - Note that if you control multiple Reveille Squads,
all untapped, their abilities will trigger separately, so abilities of
other creatures you control can be used in between untapping. Note that
the ability can't trigger if the Squad is tapped, though, and won't do
anything if the Squad is tapped when the ability resolves.
Note 2. you are not considered attacked until he declares an attacker..
a null attack doesnt trigger its ability.

* Rhystic Lightning - This can't deal 6 damage. It either deals 2, or
deals 4.

* Steal Strength - Just like Symbiosis, two target creatures are
required. You choose on announcement which will get the +1/+1 and which
will get the -1/-1. If one target is gone, the effect still applies to
the other.

* Thrive - You must target X different creatures.

* Withdraw - This spell cannot be played without two legal targets. Also
choose on announcement which target will be automatically returned and
which is returned if {1} is not paid. Mana abilities of the first
creature to be returned can't be used during the resolution of the
spell, as the creature will not be in play when the mana payment is
asked for.

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posted June 01, 2000 04:18 AM         

1) You can use them.
D.16.4 - Portal or Starter cards are not allowed unless they have the same name as a legal card. In this case, they play as the legal card text and not the Portal or Starter card text. [Duelist Magazine #18, Page 44]

2) Lands are played outside the stack and can't be responded to in any way. If you crop rotated for a cradle, it would hit play after your opponents. However, if you crop rotated first, you'd win. Lands can't be played unless the stack is empty. (K.12.1 and 2)

Selvaxri: So long as the other 6 players are all playing the same color, you'd be fine. Every single creature in play has to share a color, you can't chain it.

I.e. Players 1,2,3 use all white. Players 4,5,6,7 use all gold cards that have white in the casting cost, you're good. But you can't say that if one person plays B/G another plays G/R, and a third person plays R/B that the common cause would work. While each creature shares a color with another, they don't all share the same 1. Hope this clears things up.

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posted June 01, 2000 05:18 PM         

1) First you play the Parallax Wave. Then you remove 5 counters and remove his 5 creatures from the game. Then you cast Portcullis. When the wave leaves, the creatures all come back at the same time but the Portcullis triggers for each creature. All 5 would be removed from the game until such time as Portcullis is removed from play.
If multiple creatures come into play at once, due to Living Death for example, then Portcullis will trigger on all of those creatures. The player controlling Portcullis decides the order to resolve the Portcullis triggers and therefore chooses which two creatures stay in play (assuming
that none were already in play... if some were already in play he might not really get a choice). All the others get yanked by the Portcullis. [D'Angelo 98/06/11]

2)
Planar Birth:
Info: Color=White Type=Sorcery Cost=1W
Text: Return all basic lands from all graveyards to play under their owners' control, tapped. [Oracle 99/05/01]

Limited Resources:
Info: Color=White Type=Enchantment Cost=W
Text: When ~this~ comes into play, each player chooses five lands he or she controls and sacrifices the rest. ; Players can't play lands if there are ten or more lands in play. [Oracle 99/07/21]

T.1.3 - Artifact spells (and artifact creature spells), sorcery spells, creature spells, and enchantment spells can only be played during your main phase and only when the stack (see Rule T.2) is empty.

You can't play the limited resources in response to the planar birth, so the birth will resolve first. However, lands "brought into play" are not considered "played" if they didn't come from your hand. It would be just as good to cast the limited resources, let it resolve, then cast the planar birth. Your lands would come back then.

I'm playing a G/W deck and my opponent has in play- one Plains and one Gaea's Cradle. Now, he plays a Tethered Griffin which must be sacced if there are no enchantments in play and there are none at the time. So, he played the griffin, but then he responded to the effect by tapping the cradle for mana to play a BoP. I wasn't sure about which is faster: mana or effects?

Another question, if I have a Bottomless Pit and The Rack out do I get to decide which goes on the stack first or does it work by whichever one comes into play first?

posted June 01, 2000 08:19 PM         

Question 1) Well, the Tethered Griffin actually enters play and exists as a creature, if only for a moment. Since a mana ability doesn't go on the stack, and resolves instantly, he can still tap it for mana.

posted June 02, 2000 05:01 AM            

-Pekka

posted June 02, 2000 06:19 AM            

treachery has been errata'd to cast from hand.

secondly.. if its successful and resolves.. it comes into play.. (on a legal target) and when it does.. its untap up to 5 lands go on the stack.
disenchanting the treachery wont stop the untap for 1 very simple reason.. and Kevin.. remember this rule.. it will do you good =).. it'll be your good friend..
rule 402.6 specifically states that the removal or destruction of the source of an ability doesnt remove the a spell/pesudospell/ability/effect from the stack.

also.. one other thing.. while we may answer how to play things to your best advantage.. do realize that as a judge.. this isnt allowed in real tournament situations. Judges are only allowed to answer technical stuff.. no strategic stuff...

posted June 02, 2000 06:32 AM            

All below deal with the assumption that Lifeline is in play, and another creature is in as well. I am just wondering if the cards below do what I write.

1)Deranged Hermit-every upkeep (not paying echo) it dies, returns EOT and pops 4 more squirrels in

2)Hunting Moa (when leaving and entering play give +1/+1 to creature). Means twice per my turn give +1/+1 (upkeep and end of turn)

3)Multani's Acolyte- (draw a card when comes into play). Do I get to draw 1 at end of my turns (not paying echo)

4)Avalanche Riders- Destroy target land at end of turn

5)Keldon Warlord- (I believe that's the name...the one that deals 3 when it comes into play, haste). Deal 3 end of my turn

I think that is it. If you could let me know I would appreciate it. Good test for Kevin I think

posted June 02, 2000 01:53 PM            

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posted June 02, 2000 02:22 PM         

1)Yep
2)Yep
3)Yep
4)Yep
5)Yep

Well, there ya go.

posted June 02, 2000 02:35 PM            

Question:
During my upkeep, i have Impending Disaster and Thran Foundry in play, and there are 8 land in play... before the Disaster explodes destroying all lands, i tap my 4 plains for 4 white mana. after the the explosion, i use a white mana and shuffle my opponents graveyard back into their library, via foundry. then during my main phase, i use the remaining mana cast Limited Resources and then Planar Birth, return my lands (13 total: 7 for Pegasus Stampede buybacy, and the other 6 that were in play)to play... thus locking them out of playing land. my opponent complained i couldn't do that... can i tap land for mana, during my upkeep, and not use it til my main phase?
thanx

posted June 03, 2000 01:30 AM         

85atthebeach: Yes you would, since it would be an enchantment on the way to the graveyard.