posted September 11, 2001 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Vegeta2711:
As for the one plane that crashed with-out hitting anything, I think that the pilots decided to just nose-dive the thing, instead of get killed and then have the terrorists crash it into another building. I mean becasue it crashed like an hour and a half after the other planes, they must of had some clue what was happening.

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Pilots are trained to ground planes when terrorists are confirmed on board. Besides, under any circumstances, no one would fly a plane into an inhabbited building. The pilots must have been killed and the terrorists taken over and flown the plane.

posted September 11, 2001 09:37 PM            

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Originally posted by cerberus:
Just heard that Afghanistan (sp?) is claiming responsiblity for the actions today....

*takes deep deep breath*

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Whoa whoa whoa!! Where did you hear this? No news channel is saying anything about this at all.

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posted September 11, 2001 09:43 PM            

I know that this is a tragedy for the whole world, but please remember NOT to allow your feelings to develop into hatred for people originating from the Middle East.
Not every Pakistanian or Islamic person is responsible for this.

I can just see the KKK and other white supremacy orginizations just thriving after this!

And my prayers also go out to those victims. To think I just visited the WTC last month on summer holidays....

posted September 11, 2001 09:46 PM            

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I just sure hope they find that black box...

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Orignially posted by Type1is fun:
You know I do not think that you understood the point that george orwell was trying to make. in your case, i suppose that he failed that attempt, as you made a very stupid statement and for this, i call you an idiot.

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the point i was trying to make was, with "Big Brother" watching our lives would be controlled and monitored. nothing we did, would go unnoticed (or was that 'Brave New World?'). so something like this wouldn't happen.
btw: i've read 1984 and Brave New World, both were really boring to me.

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posted September 11, 2001 09:52 PM            

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posted September 11, 2001 10:05 PM            

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How Good Were the World Trade Center Pilots?
By James Fallows

How good a pilot would you have to be to hit the World Trade Center? For the record: We're short of facts, what follows is inference and speculation, the conclusions offered here could all turn out to be wrong.

Still, on the basis of the evidence today, two conclusions seem very likely. One is that the original pilots on the United and American flights were removed from the controls, probably by being killed. The other is that the people who replaced them in the cockpit were skilled pilots, probably with jetliner experience and training, and at least with special preparation in the systems and controls of these planes.

The first conclusion may seem obvious, but it's worth spelling out the reasoning. A pilot with a gun to his head might well be forced to fly the plane on a suicidal mission into the ground. (What's his alternative? If he refuses on principle and lets himself be killed rather than give up his passengers' lives, the pilotless plane will eventually crash anyway.) But it is very difficult to imagine that an unwilling pilot could be forced to fly an airplane into a building--in effect, forcing him to murder countless additional victims. It would be just too easy for the pilot to thwart the plan. In the last two or three seconds before impact, the pilot would need only to have shoved the control yoke to one side--or up or down, in any way missing the skyscraper and instead crashing the plane into New York Harbor. Forcing him hit the target would be like trying to force a sniper to pick off one of his own troops.

So what about the people who actually steered the planes into the towers? As anyone who has used Flight Simulator knows, simply guiding a plane in flight is not necessarily that hard. Moreover, the controls of a big Boeing or Airbus are fundamentally similar to those in a little Cessna or Bonanza, and in a pinch any trained pilot could sort of handle any plane. (The amateur pilot's problems would come when he tried to land the airliner, since everything would happen much faster and with much more momentum than he was accustomed to.)

But changing what an airplane does can be difficult, especially doing it in a smooth, controlled way. All of these planes changed course and altitude substantially--and apparently without the out-of-control veering that an inexperienced pilot would have encountered. According to flight-tracking software, one of the planes that hit the World Trade Center, American Flight 11, made a dramatic change from its original course--turning south, toward New York, rather than continuing west toward Los Angeles. At a minimum, accomplishing that turn would require a pilot who knew how to switch off the "Flight Management Systems" and autopilot that were programmed to guide the plane to Los Angeles. Amateur pilots, like me, would know how to handle the autopilots on small planes; they wouldn't necessarily know how to do it in a Boeing.

More impressive, Flight 11 was at 29,000 feet before it made that turn. It had to lose 28,000-plus feet of altitude by the time it hit the tower. Making a plane descend is easy if you know what you're doing. But if you were experienced only in small airplanes, a descent in a big airplane could be terrifying. You wouldn't know how much to reduce the power, to prevent the plane from gaining too much speed as it went down. (A descent at full power can push a plane past its "never-exceed" speed and lead to structural failure.) You wouldn't know how or when to arrest the descent, to be sure you could level off and be under control when you neared the target. Everything would be faster, bigger, and heavier than you were used to. You'd do what almost every pilot does when encountering a bigger, more powerful plane: "over-control" it, making the plane lurch from side to side and up-and-down, and "getting behind the airplane," reacting with ever-growing lag time to what the airplane was doing. The result would less likely be a suicide attack, like the ones in New York and Washington, than simple suicide.

In short, odds are that at least three of the four hijacked airplanes were flown by experienced pilots, who one way or another had gotten big-jet training. And conceivably, a difference in piloting experience may explain why the fourth hijacked plane simply crashed in Pennsylvania, rather than crashing into a target. When the facts are out, of course, the real explanation for that fourth crash could be something else entirely.

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After reading this I must rescind my earlier comment along the lines of "how hard can it be to steer a plane?"...

posted September 11, 2001 10:29 PM            

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the point i was trying to make was, with "Big Brother" watching our lives would be controlled and monitored. nothing we did, would go unnoticed (or was that 'Brave New World?'). so something like this wouldn't happen.

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Thanx for not retaliating, I apologize for calling you an idiot.
btw: it was both of those books

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posted September 11, 2001 10:32 PM            

"In the year of the new century and nine months,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror...
The sky will burn at forty-five degrees.
Fire approaches the great new city..."

~ Nostradamus

My prayers for all families affected by this inhuman act of terrorism.

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posted September 11, 2001 10:38 PM            

EDIT: out of curiousity is anyone else listening to art bell? aka Coast to Coast a.m.

posted September 11, 2001 11:14 PM            

You have a brother that works in New York City...you suddenly hear about this on the radio, come home, call, and find out the worst possible news...he is dead. You call your family and notify everybody. Then you get online to notify all your online friends, and see a member saying "What? Only THOUSANDS of DEATHS?"...you are full of rage.

Just take a step back and see how other people are experiencing this before you make thoughtless comments.

Also, I apologize if I misquoted (which I probably did), it's 1 am and I don't want to dig through posts.

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posted September 12, 2001 12:05 AM            

Im going to bed now and I am probably one of the last posters here before it gets closed.
I was misunderstood today, please read everything I said before you send me more mean emails. I appreciate it.
See you guys tommorrow, sweat dreams, be safe.

Goodnight.

EDIT: Sratch that, I am going to watch Arlington Road again... I suggest that you do too, as I am now hearing that they have found a van with passports and such that "belong to the offenders"

Keep an open mind, I do not think this van has much to do with it, other than being a patsy so that we can sleep and rest assured that the US is still "supreme"

posted September 12, 2001 12:36 AM            

Anyway, apparently we are 99.9999% it was Bin Ladin, and we are just waiting until Bush offers a bounty on Bin Ladin's head.

There's no way I'm sleeping tonight.

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posted September 12, 2001 12:45 AM            

All Russians is shocked with today's terrible
news..... Please accept our keen regrets from the bottom of our hearts.... We are with you....

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posted September 12, 2001 01:58 AM            

"I am not involved in this actions in New York and Washington, but I support these actions. I see them as a reaction against the oppressor," he said in a written statement. It went on to add: "When the innocent people were killed in Palestine, why were the people of America silent?"

Source - CNN.com

If you ask me, Bin Laden unwittingly admits from this very statement that Palestinians ARE the people responsible for the attack. Why would he say it was a "reaction against the oppressor" if he really doesn't know who did it?
Just a thought I came up with when I read his statement. What do you think?

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posted September 12, 2001 02:13 AM            

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Anyway, apparently we are 99.9999% it was Bin Ladin, and we are just waiting until Bush offers a bounty on Bin Ladin's head.

There's no way I'm sleeping tonight.

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I kind of regard myself as an avid watcher of terrorist activities when world events focus in on them, and from what I have seen today, and from having conversations with my better half(Living in the states), Bin Ladin has already on numerouse occasions throughout the day, repeatedly stated that they do not condone this style of terrorism. Bhagdad,(SP?), has stated that he is not responsible for these actions and stands by him, while they are defending their own airspace with anti aircraft artilery, targetting the skies since they are unable to locate the target that is raining missiles on their city.

Now, don't get me wrong, I think that whoever is responsible for this extreme terrorism should be punished in the exact manner that they inflicted others to live. And anyone who decided that this was a moment to rejoice, and claim that the US had this comming to them, for what ever reason should be shot. I am not a US citizen, but I have family there, and I don't wish to see them injured in any way, and when I saw footage of people in Gaza celebrating this attack, because the US supported the wrong side, that made me sick. But at least those responsible will be punished, and they better get the worst possible punishment,"To watch their lives waste away, into nothingness in prison." Giving them the Death penalty would be just what they want, a quick out.

Our hearts go out to all injured and dead in this massacre.

posted September 12, 2001 03:33 AM            

In the earlier stages, we were discussing that WWIII would be impossible due to the terrorists being independent rebels from nations. But with Bush's statement, i fear that in retaliation a full-scale war is very possible...

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posted September 12, 2001 03:48 AM            

Newsflash : Fbi Has raised the bounty on Bin Laden up to 12 Million Dollar

p.s. I`m terribly sorry If i have misspelled anything

posted September 12, 2001 04:37 AM         

I feel sorry about people killed, families involved and just about everyone. Here in Croatia everyone is shocked, people living here were in war some 8 years ago, so they do know what ppl in USA feels.
Horrible. Tragedy.
I cannot even imagine how someone can hijack passenger plane and crash it into building.

posted September 12, 2001 04:47 AM            

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one thing president Bush said in his address disturbs me: he said that those countries harboring terrorists are just as guilty as the terrorists whom attack the United States.

In the earlier stages, we were discussing that WWIII would be impossible due to the terrorists being independent rebels from nations. But with Bush's statement, i fear that in retaliation a full-scale war is very possible...

~RPGfreak17

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posted September 12, 2001 04:54 AM            

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posted September 12, 2001 05:50 AM            

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Originally posted by da-odd-templar:
...we are just waiting until Bush offers a bounty on Bin Ladin's head.

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A $5 million bounty has been on Bin Laden's head for some time now....