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stu55 Member	posted January 21, 2011 07:29 AM quote: Originally posted by wayne: Is it just me or is almost everyone (including myself) playing Grand Architect.dec for SOM block constructed? There's a red deck and a blue deck and blue/white deck at the moment and that's it for block
OGB Member	posted January 21, 2011 08:29 AM quote: Originally posted by stu55: There's a red deck and a blue deck and blue/white deck at the moment and that's it for block Is the UWb blink deck outdated? __________________ 2010 Homer Simpson Award Winner http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum12/HTML/016901.html
Bentiko Member	posted January 21, 2011 09:47 AM I'm considering playing Goblins for Legacy until I came across with this pondering question and need an advice from you guys. Should I play Aether Vial first or the Lackey? Does it matter what I have in my hands or what I need to worry about my opponent's deck? __________________ -Hey! Look! My nipples can cut through glass! -I watched porn with Closed Caption! -I love school, when it's over... -God, the singing is nails on a chalkboard. -They say I have A.D.D. they just don't understand me. Oh look! A squirrel!!
Our_Benefactors Member	posted January 21, 2011 10:02 AM quote: Originally posted by Bentiko: I'm considering playing Goblins for Legacy until I came across with this pondering question and need an advice from you guys. Should I play Aether Vial first or the Lackey? Does it matter what I have in my hands or what I need to worry about my opponent's deck? When I used to play goblins, I would always roll lackey first turn over vial against an unknown deck because if you're against control and they counter, you have vial to play on turn 2 with daze insurance. If they hold back their counter for your expected vial, well, you just landed a lackey which is a huge t1 threat. It's so much more explosive than a turn 1 vial. Game 2, it's more dependent if you're the control (play vial first) or the beatdown (play lackey). /my2cents
stu55 Member	posted January 21, 2011 10:24 AM Ahhhhhh! Crappy point-based trading lists are taking over MOTL!
AlmostGrown Member	posted January 21, 2011 10:33 AM quote: Originally posted by Our_Benefactors: When I used to play goblins, I would always roll lackey first turn over vial against an unknown deck because if you're against control and they counter, you have vial to play on turn 2 with daze insurance. If they hold back their counter for your expected vial, well, you just landed a lackey which is a huge t1 threat. It's so much more explosive than a turn 1 vial. Game 2, it's more dependent if you're the control (play vial first) or the beatdown (play lackey). /my2cents This is still accurate in today's meta. (Rb goblin player in legacy here) __________________ send ref checks, paypal payment or any questions to the email in my profile! Serra Angel Count: 211 Nightmare Count: 92
Montague Member	posted January 21, 2011 10:51 AM quote: Originally posted by stu55: Ahhhhhh! Crappy point-based trading lists are taking over MOTL! When I click on a list that turns out to be point based I just hit the back button. I havent seen one single point based list that doesnt think their cards are more valueable then mine.
Lord Crovax Member	posted January 21, 2011 12:09 PM Meh, blame point based lists on people who think duals are crap rares, and type 2 is worth the most of any other format. Biggest beef I have with Mythic's is people who think they are worth money solely due to their Rarity. __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"
AlmostGrown Member	posted January 21, 2011 12:15 PM quote: Originally posted by Lord Crovax: Meh, blame point based lists on people who think duals are crap rares, and type 2 is worth the most of any other format. quote: Originally posted by Montague: When I click on a list that turns out to be point based I just hit the back button. I havent seen one single point based list that doesnt think their cards are more valueable then mine. Whenever I see a point based list... I die a little on the inside. Seriously, these need to end. Bloodghast is not worth $4. Knight of the Reliquary is not worth $5. Seriously, on this guy's want list he takes a card's value and halves it and that's how much he values it at when hes trading for it, and whens hes trading it away it's worth market price. __________________ send ref checks, paypal payment or any questions to the email in my profile! Serra Angel Count: 211 Nightmare Count: 92
rats60 Member	posted January 21, 2011 12:49 PM quote: Originally posted by AlmostGrown: Whenever I see a point based list... I die a little on the inside. Seriously, these need to end. And take pack to power with them.
stu55 Member	posted January 21, 2011 01:04 PM So that site that runs your DCI record for stats, Argivan I think it is called, it keeps giving me a 404 error on Firefox...thoughts on why this is happening?
iccarus Member	posted January 21, 2011 01:17 PM You guys can bash points-based lists all you want, but I have never had any issue with getting people to make offers on mine (when they're up). It's often the easiest way for me to work out a fair deal with someone since it's fairly upfront with how I value my cards and their stuff. I've had far more success with them than with regular HW lists. Granted, I don't really trade with profit in mind. I trade with the goal of getting the stuff I want without the extra hassle of selling cards to buy my needs. I understand that some of the lists out there do not exist for this purpose. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air!
Havoc Demon Member	posted January 21, 2011 01:18 PM Point lists are only good for trading a pile of garbage for something good, but I imagine people are getting smart and being selective about the offers they receive. Edit: In other fun news, everybody who wants my Koth doesn't have anything of similar value to trade for it. I know I don't want the thing, but I'd like to get something better than a pile of Argent Sphinx, Molten Psyche, and Venser's Journal. [Edited 1 times, lastly by Havoc Demon on January 21, 2011]
junichi Moderator	posted January 21, 2011 01:52 PM quote: Originally posted by stu55: So that site that runs your DCI record for stats, Argivan I think it is called, it keeps giving me a 404 error on Firefox...thoughts on why this is happening? It died this morning, I believe. I was using it last night, and it worked fine for me. __________________ 40 Eye of Ugin and 4 foil Eye of Ugin for Black Lotus!? "lol you'll see when these go for 50 bucks a piece in a couple months, you're just jealous. !" - Marciano 315 03/17/2010
wayne Member	posted January 21, 2011 02:01 PM quote: Originally posted by OGB: Is the UWb blink deck outdated? Probably, the mana base seems too unstable to be viable. Might as well just go UW and have a much better mana base.
mattw Member	posted January 22, 2011 12:00 AM is it possible to be a worse drafter than me? i just went out in the first round of 3 SOM 8-4's in like what seemed 10 minutes. I think i need more gavaleers. lol
choco man Member	posted January 22, 2011 12:57 AM quote: Originally posted by stu55: Ahhhhhh! Crappy point-based trading lists are taking over MOTL! The only decent one I've seen is Gunslinga's. B/C he doesn't make up point values. If 1 pt doesn't = $1 or something close, the list is the suck. Liq's list for example.
caquaa Member	posted January 22, 2011 05:29 AM quote: Originally posted by mattw: I think i need more gavaleers. lol hope that was sarcasm. What are you drafting? SOM isn't too bad, but I have done fairly poorly in my last two drafts. In my defense one draft I beat my opponent the first game, lost to elspeth game 2, and was able to beat elspeth game 3. In both round 2 and 3 (swiss, FNM) I lost to Hoard-Smelter Dragon 4 times. Yep, go go broken rares.
JoshSherman Member	posted January 22, 2011 11:11 AM quote: Originally posted by choco man: If 1 pt doesn't = $1 or something close, the list is the suck. Liq's list for example. His list looks fine to me. Seems like 1 pt is about $.50. Makes it easier to get those quarter cards he wants, since they're half a point instead of a quarter. __________________ MafiaBassJoshweekLetter Bombs!PricesGathererLogout
choco man Member	posted January 22, 2011 11:59 AM quote: Originally posted by JoshSherman: His list looks fine to me. Seems like 1 pt is about $.50. Makes it easier to get those quarter cards he wants, since they're half a point instead of a quarter. Have you checked out the points on his haves relative to wants. Again, why fabricate a point system different from 1 pt = $1.
wayne Member	posted January 22, 2011 12:01 PM Lilana Vess is quite a bomb in M11 sealed
Mr.C Member	posted January 22, 2011 12:09 PM I think I will start calling Mythics 'R1s' and Rares "R2s'. Just like the old days, lol. So I was trying to trade with a dude at my local store, he pulls out two Pre-Release Demigods. I'm like, ok, let's start pulling stuff out. I pull a Mycosynth Golem, 3 Semblance Anvil, 2 Kuldotha Forgemaster and a Sen Triplets. He then tells me 'I already have enough, unless you are wanting more than they are worth (I wanted $10, we tend to use MagicCards.info low)'. I'm like 'wtf?' I tell him, well, let's see what SCG wants, knock off 20%. We go check prices at SCG, they are sold out @ 7.99. So he gets all bitchy when I tell him sold out means nothing. What the hell is wrong with people? I've been around for a while, no way I'm picking up 20 cent cards @ $1. even then, I didn't have enough. Geez.
Liq Member	posted January 22, 2011 06:29 PM quote: Originally posted by choco man: Have you checked out the points on his haves relative to wants. Again, why fabricate a point system different from 1 pt = $1. Cards I don't care about acquiring are listed far lower than cards I do want to acquire? or Cards I'd rather keep but will get rid of if the price is right are higher than those I don't mind getting rid of? I don't see how that is a problem. The reason 1pt is not $1 but rather 50c is because I am actively looking for bad cards. As such I use bad card to good card ratio for trading. __________________ <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right? <Leshrac> let me deal with that * Liq has been banned
caquaa Member	posted January 22, 2011 11:46 PM quote: Originally posted by Liq: The reason 1pt is not $1 but rather 50c is because I am actively looking for bad cards. As such I use bad card to good card ratio for trading. how does that even make sense? Bad cards are worth less $ therefore if $1 = 1 point they would already be lower. Fabricating some other point system is just to cover the fact you're valuing some of your cards higher then their cards. Good point based systems just draw a common point on valuing cards instead of trying to reference this or that and disagreeing, its rather apparent how cards get valued.
Lord Crovax Member	posted January 22, 2011 11:49 PM quote: Originally posted by AlmostGrown: Whenever I see a point based list... I die a little on the inside. Seriously, these need to end. Bloodghast is not worth $4. Knight of the Reliquary is not worth $5. Seriously, on this guy's want list he takes a card's value and halves it and that's how much he values it at when hes trading for it, and whens hes trading it away it's worth market price. [/B] That's a stupid list, when I did point buy I used 5x value for wants (Unless it was a dual or something then it was 6x) and 6x for Haves. That gives people exact value to work off, and yes I end up getting some value in trades on smaller stuff. But cutting value in half is just..ewww __________________ I shall have the souls of all who defy me. "Lord Crovax"

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