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Topic: Rulings Thread Part 48 (ALL rules-related questions go HERE!)
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psrex Member
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posted July 05, 2011 10:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by Ncromonitor: You cannot stifle the ability that puts it into his hand at the end of his turn?
It's not a separate ability, so you can't stop just that part. Everything before the colon is the cost, and everything after it is the ability. If you stop the ability you stop everything, which includes removing the card from the top of the library.
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caquaa Member
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posted July 05, 2011 03:44 PM
quote: Originally posted by psrex: It's not a separate ability, so you can't stop just that part. Everything before the colon is the cost, and everything after it is the ability. If you stop the ability you stop everything, which includes removing the card from the top of the library.
Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library face down. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step. that part that says "Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step" is a delayed trigger caused by the ability. This can be stifled.
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted July 05, 2011 05:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by caquaa: Pay 1 life: Exile the top card of your library face down. Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step.that part that says "Put that card into your hand at the beginning of your next end step" is a delayed trigger caused by the ability. This can be stifled.
This. You can stifle the delayed trigger.
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James_Hetfield2 Member
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posted July 06, 2011 07:17 AM
If you opponent casts Dismember paying 1 and 4 life, can you use Mental Misstep to counter the Dismember?I thought I did in MTGO, but now I can't seem too, but I was probably just mistaken.
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joz Banned
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posted July 06, 2011 07:24 AM
quote: Originally posted by James_Hetfield2: If you opponent casts Dismember paying 1 and 4 life, can you use Mental Misstep to counter the Dismember?I thought I did in MTGO, but now I can't seem too, but I was probably just mistaken.
No, you can not. No matter how you pay for Dismember, its converted mana cost is still 3. Each phyrexian mana symbol has the converted mana cost of its non-phyrexian half. In thiscase, Dismember is still a 1BB spell, even if you only pay 1 mana and 4 life. __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue?Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
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Kyzneg Member
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posted July 06, 2011 08:46 PM
There are two separate triggered abilities on the Hatchling cycle that remove counters (notice they're on separate lines and both end with a period). So when you cast a spell that's both green and black, each ability will "see" its trigger condition being met and trigger. So two counters will be removed.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted July 07, 2011 09:08 AM
Phyrexian Metamorph is copying an eldrazi (it comes into play copies the eldrazi). Now Legend rule kills both and my eldrazi shuffles itself with graveyard back into my deck. Will the metamorph do that also?
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joz Banned
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posted July 07, 2011 09:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Phyrexian Metamorph is copying an eldrazi (it comes into play copies the eldrazi). Now Legend rule kills both and my eldrazi shuffles itself with graveyard back into my deck. Will the metamorph do that also?
Yes, it will. __________________ Joz - can we ban Leshrac for not fixing the Chrome PM issue?Gunslinga - If I thought it would help, and if I could, I would.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted July 07, 2011 05:38 PM
Man two questions in such a short time I am out of luck.So I am working on a scion of ur dragon EDH deck. I want to somehow bin a skyithx and pump for the ability to poison kill. I figure Moltensteel dragon does the trick so why not. Is there any way to make it work?
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TimeBeing Member
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posted July 07, 2011 05:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Man two questions in such a short time I am out of luck.So I am working on a scion of ur dragon EDH deck. I want to somehow bin a skyithx and pump for the ability to poison kill. I figure Moltensteel dragon does the trick so why not. Is there any way to make it work?
nope. "When Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of another Dragon, it loses its copy ability for the rest of the turn."
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mattw Member
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posted July 07, 2011 05:48 PM
just curious, if a player has no cards in hand i can still target them with Karn's first ability right? Man i feel silly for asking this.
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TimeBeing Member
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posted July 07, 2011 05:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by mattw: just curious, if a player has no cards in hand i can still target them with Karn's first ability right? Man i feel silly for asking this.
+4: Target player exiles a card from his or her hand. yes the only target needed is a player.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by TimeBeing on July 07, 2011]
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oneofchaos Member
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posted July 07, 2011 08:18 PM
quote: Originally posted by TimeBeing: nope."When Scion of the Ur-Dragon becomes a copy of another Dragon, it loses its copy ability for the rest of the turn."
Couldn't I bin like the moltensteel activate it x times...with that on the stack search for skithyx?
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Kyzneg Member
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posted July 07, 2011 08:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Couldn't I bin like the moltensteel activate it x times...with that on the stack search for skithyx?
Nope, in order for you to be able to pump your Scion with Moltensteel's ability, it has to have already copied Moltensteel Dragon, at which point Scion no longer has the ability to tutor up Skithiryx to copy it. If you want the poison kill with Scion, you're going to either need to copy Skithiryx and pump it another way, or copy a dragon that can pump and find another way of giving it infect (Grafted Exoskeleton, Tainted Strike, etc.) Edit: Actually, you might be able to do it, what you would need to do is stack the copy ability of Scion of the Ur-Dragon twice, when the first one resolves take Moltensteel Dragon, and with the second copy ability still on the stack, activate the Moltensteel's ability 6 times, giving Scion-Moltensteel +6/+6. Then let the second copy ability resolve taking Skithryx. If I'm remembering my layering rules correctly, the copy ability won't remove or affect the +1/+1 effects.
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WestWycke Member
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posted July 08, 2011 11:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: Phyrexian Metamorph is copying an eldrazi (it comes into play copies the eldrazi). Now Legend rule kills both and my eldrazi shuffles itself with graveyard back into my deck. Will the metamorph do that also?
quote: Originally posted by joz: Yes, it will.
Actually, the answer is - No, it won't. There is a fine distinction between some of the zone-change triggers that causes that. "Whenever this goes to the graveyard, ..." is shorthand for "Whenever this goes to the graveyard from the battlefield, ...". It is a leaves-the-battlefield trigger and it triggers from the battlefield and it triggers based on how the permanent looked when it was on the battlefield. So a Phyrexian Metamorph copying a Reveillark will trigger because the Metamorph was a Reveillark when it was last on the battlefield."Whenever this is put into the graveyard from anywhere" is an enters-the-graveyard trigger. It is not a leaves-the-battlefield trigger since it does not require the card/permanent to have come from the battlefield. As such, it triggers from the graveyard and it is based on what the card/permanent looks like in the graveyard. A Metamorph that enters the graveyard after copying an Eldrazi on the battlefield (which all have enter-the-graveyard triggers) will not trigger anything since it enters the graveyard as a Phyrexian Metamorph which has no triggers. __________________ "If you're right 90% of the time, why quibble about the other 3% ?""I intend to live forever. So far, so good."
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darius vitrosoo Member
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posted July 08, 2011 11:45 AM
sorry i know i am right here i think but my opponent swears he is correct so let me give you the board. he has spellskite (man this card has allot of questions) and a strider harness in play, he also has a purestell paladin and a mana myr in play. i use mindslaver on him and he allows it. i take his turn and he is at 28 life. can i have him commit suicide by targeting the mana myr with the harness then using spellskite's ability and restacking it over and over and over and over until he (me controlling him) pays 28 life?
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coasterdude84 Member
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posted July 08, 2011 12:29 PM
quote: Originally posted by darius vitrosoo: sorry i know i am right here i think but my opponent swears he is correct so let me give you the board. he has spellskite (man this card has allot of questions) and a strider harness in play, he also has a purestell paladin and a mana myr in play. i use mindslaver on him and he allows it. i take his turn and he is at 28 life. can i have him commit suicide by targeting the mana myr with the harness then using spellskite's ability and restacking it over and over and over and over until he (me controlling him) pays 28 life?
Sure, why not? Equip is a targeted ability, so you can redirected it to his Spellskite. Incidentally, you'd only have to pay to equip the myr once. You could target the same ability while on the stack as many times as you wanted. EDIT: I should mention though, that this only works if he is at an even amount of life. At an odd number, when he is at 1 life, he does not have enough to pay the Spellskite's cost, so the self-killing would stop there.
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darius vitrosoo Member
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posted July 08, 2011 12:38 PM
nice, i liked suicidial opponents. i swear though spellkite has cause so many arguments at my local drafting place. __________________ welcome to the wonderful world of card-board crack, please sit down and prepare to get mana-screwed.things i am working on with friends http://www.squidoo.com/lensmasters/Luminosity http://www.squidoo.com/mmmm-knowledge-bookstore http://myworld.ebay.com/unixarcade/ http://www.amazon.com/
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southparker2002 Member
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posted July 08, 2011 12:44 PM
moltensteel dragon is an artifact creature dragon with 4 colorless and 2 red new phyrexia mana to cast. is it still considered red or no?
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darius vitrosoo Member
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posted July 08, 2011 12:51 PM
yes it is a red creature and a artifact aswell
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Jazaray Moderator
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posted July 08, 2011 04:21 PM
Conspiracy and changelings. Does it remove/replace the changeling subtype? Just wondering because my friend has that dragon that takes all dragons when it comes into play. Thanks, Jazaray
__________________ A Plastered Dragon Original Limerick: There was a nice lassie named Jaz Many wished to have what she has, A delicate face, A soft warm embrace, And a whole lot of bedroom pizzazz.WeedIan: Jazaray is like MOTL's Mom. Have dinner with Jaz
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oneofchaos Member
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posted July 08, 2011 04:35 PM
So I am a little confused with Scion answer. Any official input on that one?
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Zakman86 Member
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posted July 08, 2011 04:38 PM
quote: Originally posted by Jazaray: Conspiracy and changelings. Does it remove/replace the changeling subtype? Just wondering because my friend has that dragon that takes all dragons when it comes into play. Thanks, Jazaray
Conspiracy changes it to only whatever type you choose for it. Changeling CDA is applied in Layer 4, as is Conspiracy; however, Changeling is applied first, as all Characteristic Defining Abilities are, and then overwritten by the Conspiracy.
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Zakman86 Member
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posted July 08, 2011 04:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by oneofchaos: So I am a little confused with Scion answer. Any official input on that one?
It's doable exactly how Kyzneg said. 1. Stack the Scion ability twice. 2. Let the first one resolve. Bin Moltensteel Dragon. 3. Activate the pump ability of Moltensteel. 4. Let the second ability resolve, binning Skithyrx. 5. Kill someone.
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oneofchaos Member
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posted July 08, 2011 08:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: It's doable exactly how Kyzneg said.1. Stack the Scion ability twice. 2. Let the first one resolve. Bin Moltensteel Dragon. 3. Activate the pump ability of Moltensteel. 4. Let the second ability resolve, binning Skithyrx. 5. Kill someone.
Lol I said that
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