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Originally posted by Meddling Pimp:
No. Edged Monstrosity has the counters at the time it enters the battlefield. They aren't being placed on it.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
the rulings for Flourishing Defenses would disagree with that tho.

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Originally posted by Meddling Pimp:
No. Edged Monstrosity has the counters at the time it enters the battlefield. They aren't being placed on it.

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Originally posted by Bulletproofman:
If an opponent casts a planeswalker with 3 loyalty counters, can I lightning bolt it before it can use a + ability?

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No you dont have priority. You have to wait until he give you priority (by casting a spell, tapping nonmana ability etc)

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Originally posted by pugowar:
If your opponent Stifles your Planeswalker's ability does he still get the counter?

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Yep, adding a loyalty counter is a cost. that's also the reason it can't be responded to (placing the counter on the PW).

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Originally posted by pugowar:
If your opponent Stifles your Planeswalker's ability does he still get the counter?

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Yes. Adding or removing counters from a planeswalker is the cost of the ability. The ability itself doesn't go onto the stack until you've paid that cost, so Stifle can't interact with the counters in any way.

My turn, in play:

1x Lotus Cobra
1x Mountain
1x Forest

Play Misty Rainforest, adding a forest. Search up a forest, adding a mountain. Tap 3, cast Harrow sac'ing whatever, grab 2x land, add 2x land via cobra. This should bring me up to 6, no?

2x in play, play misty
+2 lotus cobra (misty + fetched land)
*5x total mana available*
-3 cast Harrow (sac'ing a tapped land)
*2x total mana available*
Search for 2x whatever land, enters play
+2 Lotus Cobra

This would bring me up to 6 correct? 4x from lotus cobra, 2x from untapped lands from harrow.

Also, a random valakut ruling question as I'm getting multiple answers. Random situations;

Situation 1:

Valakut in play, 4x mountain. Cast P. titan (not mentioning the forests), search for 2x mountain. This only does 3 damage correct? I've been told they enter the battlefield at the same time, so it'd do 6, I'm pretty sure this is incorrect, but I'm probably wrong.

Situation 2:

Same situation as number 1, except I cast Harrow instead, and grab 2x mountain. I've been told Harrow triggers it twice, but the titan only triggers it once. Doesn't make much sense to me.

My understanding, based on what the card obviously says, is it does 3 damage for every mountain you play AFTER 5 in play. So I can search for 2x land all day, but if I'm only at 6 total mountains (after a titan or harrow), it's only dealing 3 damage, correct?

Just need to clarify this.. Normally I don't overthink simple situations, but people have confused the hell out of me.

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Originally posted by Meddling Pimp:
Interesting. I guess we'll see how they want to go with it.

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I sound dumb because i can't remember how it was worded, but basically something like Pentavus gets its counter put on it "faster than can be respinded to". I don't recall that being a state based action or just part of it's resolution but just throwing it out there i agree with the Flourishing Defenses ruling.

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Originally posted by Shadows:
More of a basic math to clear things up (don't think my friend knows math... or it's me, idk). Need a total land count after these said events (I think it's 6, friend says it's 5).

My turn, in play:

1x Lotus Cobra
1x Mountain
1x Forest

Play Misty Rainforest, adding a forest. Search up a forest, adding a mountain. Tap 3, cast Harrow sac'ing whatever, grab 2x land, add 2x land via cobra. This should bring me up to 6, no?

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That's 6.
1. Play Misty = 1
2. Fetch a land = 2
3. Tap your 3 lands and play Harrow for 2 lands = puts you at 4 from COBRA and with 2 untapped basics. = 6, friend. Not sure what your friend was adding.
As an aside, the mana from Cobra is not called Forest, it's Green. You had me confused for a second, i thought you meant you fetched a forest when you meant you activated Cobra.

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From Shadows:
Valakut in play, 4x mountain. Cast P. titan (not mentioning the forests), search for 2x mountain. This only does 3 damage correct? I've been told they enter the battlefield at the same time, so it'd do 6, I'm pretty sure this is incorrect, but I'm probably wrong.

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From Shadows:
Same situation as number 1, except I cast Harrow instead, and grab 2x mountain. I've been told Harrow triggers it twice, but the titan only triggers it once. Doesn't make much sense to me.

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From Shadows:
My understanding, based on what the card obviously says, is it does 3 damage for every mountain you play AFTER 5 in play. So I can search for 2x land all day, but if I'm only at 6 total mountains (after a titan or harrow), it's only dealing 3 damage, correct?

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Like i said above you can be at 4 mountains and Titantutor yourself up more mountains for 6 damage. Your Harrow example doesn't work because after casting it you go down to 3. If you had 4 mountains in play, and cast Harrow, sacrificing a Forest, then when the 5th and 6th mountains come in, they will trigger each once for a total of 6 damage.
When two or more things enter the battlefield at the same time like this they will interact with each other.

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Originally posted by Shadows:
Play Misty Rainforest, adding a forest. Search up a forest, adding a mountain. Tap 3, cast Harrow sac'ing whatever, grab 2x land, add 2x land via cobra. This should bring me up to 6, no?

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Trinisphere:
http://magiccards.info/fve/en/15.html

Pyrokinesis:
http://magiccards.info/ai/en/115.html

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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
How do Trinisphere and Pyrokinesis interact? Can I use pyrokines' alternate cost with Trini in play?

Trinisphere:
http://magiccards.info/fve/en/15.html

Pyrokinesis:
http://magiccards.info/ai/en/115.html

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Even with a cost reducer on the battlefield, spells can't cost less than three mana to cast.

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Originally posted by sagabegin:
A 2/2 mishra's factory attacks, an umezawa's jitte removes two counters(all of them), and a second factory pumps the first one making it a 3/3.
Do the -1/-1 counters stay on the land after it returns from being a creature at end of turn?

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Umezawa's Jitte does not put any -1/-1 counters on Mishra's Factory. It gives a creature -1/-1 until end of turn.

However, I'll answer two related questions.

The two -1/-1 abilities and the +1/+1 ability from the second Factory all end at the same time (as well as the first Mishra's Factory being a creature). So, the Mishra's Factory won't be sent to the graveyard from Umezawa's Jitte.

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Originally posted by OGB:
If I have a Torpor Orb in play and I evoke a Mulldrifter, do I have to sacrifice it?

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Originally posted by Comp Rules 702.31a (in part):
If the flashback cost was paid, exile this card instead of putting it anywhere else any time it would leave the stack

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Phyrexian Unlife

You don't lose the game for having 0 or less life.

As long as you have 0 or less life, all damage is dealt to you as though its source had infect. (Damage is dealt to you in the form of poison counters.)

Delaying Shield

If damage would be dealt to you, put that many delay counters on Delaying Shield instead.

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Originally posted by skizzikmonger:
If I copy a Batterskull with Phyrexian Metamorph, do I get the germ attached to the Batterskull?

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You get the germ token. Metamorph "enters the battlefield as" - meaning any ETB effects the original has, it will have. The distinction (the reason why you wouldn't get the germ) is that it does not say "When it enters the battlefield, it becomes..." - that would mean it is already in play and cannot trigger ETB effects.
For a technical explanation from the pros, check out the card rulings of Clone - same thing.

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Originally posted by lmdemasi:
If I have Phyrexian Unlife and Delaying Shield in play and I'm below 0 life, when something damages me, do I get poison counters, or does delaying shield get counters? I think the counters should go on the delaying shield, since it's dealing damage in the form of poison counters and therefore still dealing damage, but I wasn't positive.

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1. Can I use Lotus Cobra's abiliy to play Myr Superion?