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DeMoNiC DuNcE
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Puresteel Paladin
Metalcraft - Equipment you control have equip {0} as long as you control three or more artifacts.

Is his metalcraft a replacement effect for all equip costs, or do I have the option to pay 0 or pay the other cost (such as Piston Sledge's Sac an artifact cost to equip)?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
Puresteel Paladin
Metalcraft - Equipment you control have equip {0} as long as you control three or more artifacts.

Is his metalcraft a replacement effect for all equip costs, or do I have the option to pay 0 or pay the other cost (such as Piston Sledge's Sac an artifact cost to equip)?


His ability doesn't say anything about removing their other equip cost, so they have both.

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Hello - rulings question on Sorin

"Players life total becomes 10"

is that loss of life?

Say, if i have Tainted Sigil out -

Can i sac Sigil to gain the amount of life lost by opponent with sorin after the 2nd effect is used?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by KyleHauser:
Hello - rulings question on Sorin

"Players life total becomes 10"

is that loss of life?

Say, if i have Tainted Sigil out -

Can i sac Sigil to gain the amount of life lost by opponent with sorin after the 2nd effect is used?



Yup. (If your opponent had more than 10 life before that).


[Edited 1 times, lastly by yukizora on May 24, 2011]
 
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quote:
Originally posted by yukizora:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KyleHauser:
Hello - rulings question on Sorin

"Players life total becomes 10"

is that loss of life?

Say, if i have Tainted Sigil out -

Can i sac Sigil to gain the amount of life lost by opponent with sorin after the 2nd effect is used?



Yup. (If your opponent had more than 10 life before that).
[/QUOTE]

ok, how about if i am at 3 and i use this on myself and have a sanguine bond in play?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by KyleHauser:
ok, how about if i am at 3 and i use this on myself and have a sanguine bond in play?

If a life total changed because of an effect of a spell or ability. It will be considered lifegain or life lost.

(i.e. if you're below 10 life It counts that as gaining life

if you're above 10, then it counts as losing life. )

EDIT: in your example. your life would become 10, thus gaining you 7 life, and making your opponent lose 7 life. Only flaw in your plan is... Sorin Markov can only target your opponents. but i hope you get the idea.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Myy on May 24, 2011]

 
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Using Spellkite, equipped with a Livewire Lash, if I force a spell to target Spellskite, it will trigger Livewire Lash's damage effect on the stack, but can I repeatedly redirect to Spellskite to force triggers on the stack?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by DeMoNiC DuNcE:
Using Spellkite, equipped with a Livewire Lash, if I force a spell to target Spellskite, it will trigger Livewire Lash's damage effect on the stack, but can I repeatedly redirect to Spellskite to force triggers on the stack?

You will activate Skite to change the target, Lash will trigger. But that will be the only time, because once Skite is the target, you can't change the target to him again. He doesn't 'become' the target multiple times; you will just waste mana/life activating it.

You can do it with two skites and two lashes though.

 
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Continuing the question about rule of law here

quote:
Originally posted by sammyt125:
Yes, it would count as your spell for the turn.

Next time, post here:

http://classic.magictraders.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/024815.html



Can someone link me to the rule how Rule of Law knows what spells have been played before it actually resolves?

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Sure, look at this card. arcane laboratory
 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Continuing the question about rule of law here


Can someone link me to the rule how Rule of Law knows what spells have been played before it actually resolves?



"611.1. A continuous effect modifies characteristics of objects, modifies control of objects, or affects players or the rules of the game, for a fixed or indefinite period."

"Rules of the game" is the part your looking for. It doesn't need to "know". It sets a rule that says only one spell can be played.


your thinking something like
"611.2c If a continuous effect generated by the resolution of a spell or ability modifies the characteristics or changes the controller of any objects, the set of objects it affects is determined when that continuous effect begins."

But rule of law doesn't modify any objects. So it doesn't apply.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by TimeBeing on May 26, 2011]

 
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I have a question about spellskite.. Lets say i have a skite in play and my opponent activates his SoFaF targeting one of his creatures. Would i be able to change the target to spellskite even though he doesnt control the skite?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by festus:
I have a question about spellskite.. Lets say i have a skite in play and my opponent activates his SoFaF targeting one of his creatures. Would i be able to change the target to spellskite even though he doesnt control the skite?

check the NPH FAQ
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/arcana/703

You can activate Spellskite's ability even if Spellskite wouldn't be a legal target for the spell or ability. However, the target of that spell or ability will remain unchanged.

 
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i know i asked about spellskite and quicksilver geyser does the same rule apply to into the core? and or arc trail?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by darius vitrosoo:
i know i asked about spellskite and quicksilver geyser does the same rule apply to into the core? and or arc trail?

Nope, same reasonings as before. You must be able to fulfill all criteria - that is, it has to be a legal target. Trail says "Another" - Skite isn't 1 target and "another" target. Similar thing with Core, it says two targets - you can't make that untrue.

 
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If a creature with trample is blocked by a creature that says "prevent all combat damage dealt to this creature," how much damage has to be assigned, and can all or all minus one damage be dealt to the defending player, regardless of the defending creature's toughness?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Schwingzilla:
If a creature with trample is blocked by a creature that says "prevent all combat damage dealt to this creature," how much damage has to be assigned

You still must assign lethal damage before assigning more to additonal blockers/players/walkers. lethal is equal to the creatures toughness, unless you have deathtouch and 1 damage is lethal.


Edit:
I have instant-speed equips for whatever reason. can i put two of the same equip abilities on the stack from the same equip?
i.e. I respond to respond to removal with Neurok Stealthsuit, they respond with another reomval before the Suit is there, i respond with yet another equip.
Perfectly legal right?
Can i equip an equipment to the creature it's attached to?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by Sovarius on May 29, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Sovarius:

Edit:
I have instant-speed equips for whatever reason. can i put two of the same equip abilities on the stack from the same equip?
i.e. I respond to respond to removal with Neurok Stealthsuit, they respond with another reomval before the Suit is there, i respond with yet another equip.
Perfectly legal right?
Can i equip an equipment to the creature it's attached to?

Yes, both are just fine.

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I was wondering, someone uses a slagstorm (deals 3 damage to all players). Can they change that 3 damage to a planeswalker?

also, i play a phyrexian ingester targeting a germ token with, say a batterskull on it, would my ingester get plus 4 plus 4?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by mattw:
I was wondering, someone uses a slagstorm (deals 3 damage to all players). Can they change that 3 damage to a planeswalker?

also, i play a phyrexian ingester targeting a germ token with, say a batterskull on it, would my ingester get plus 4 plus 4?


Any time a player would deal non-combat damage to their opponent, they can choose to redirect all of that damage (in this case 3) to a planeswalker that opponent controls. So yes, slagstorm damage can be dealt to planeswalkers.

2nd question, no idea.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by thror on May 30, 2011]

 
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If I control an Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite and then cast another, will my opponent's creatures get -4/-4 before both Elesh Norns are sent to the graveyard due to state based actions?

Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite

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State based actions check everything at once. So Norn #2 resolves, and the game sees multiple things at the same time:

1- 2 legends with the same name, needing to be put into graveyards.
2- Creatures getting -4/-4. If any of them have zero or less toughness, they also need to be put into graveyards.

So yes, you will kinda sorta give them all -4/-4 before both Norns die.

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quote:
Originally posted by mattw:
also, i play a phyrexian ingester targeting a germ token with, say a batterskull on it, would my ingester get plus 4 plus 4?


No, it would not. Actually, you can't even do this.

Phyrexian Ingester specifies target nontoken creature. So you can't target the Germ token attached to the Batterskull.

If you had exiled a creature card instead of a token, you would only get +X/+Y based on the values on the card, not the creature as it existed on the battlefield. A Forgotten Ancient with 5 +1/+1 counters and equipped with the Batterskull would only give the Ingester +0/+3 once it was exiled.

For the height of silliness, try having your Phyrexian Ingester eat a Spinal Parasite.

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[Edited 2 times, lastly by WestWycke on May 30, 2011]

 
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thanks for that.

and this might sound stupid but can you have more than 4 of one copy of a card in a draft deck?

 
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Yes. If you draft 8 squadron hawks, go right ahead and play them all. The 4 of rule is for constructed only, not limited.

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