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Nextly Rhys the Exiled is illegal in your deck so he's got to go and you forgot one of the best elves, Chameleon Colossus.

Lastly you are playing both Defense of the Heart and Tooth and Nail so play some creatures worth putting into play for free, such as Woodfall Primus and Vigor.

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Originally posted by Bruised:
Usually in EDH 1cc creatures aren't usually strong enough to stay in a deck so I would eliminate pretty much every 1 cc elf.

Nextly Rhys the Exiled is illegal in your deck so he's got to go and you forgot one of the best elves, Chameleon Colossus.

Lastly you are playing both Defense of the Heart and Tooth and Nail so play some creatures worth putting into play for free, such as Woodfall Primus and Vigor.

Also in a swarm type deck the more win con's the better, Kamahl, Fist of Krosa plays well with all the mana elves can generate, and I'd also consider adding Rofellos for one of the weaker elf mana producers.

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Oops, thanks for the catch on Rhys! I have added the cards that you suggested. Not quite ready to start cutting stuff out yet, but I'll keep the low-CC Elves in mind when I get there.

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Also consider the following:

Mystic Snake
Slate of Ancestry
Skullclamp
Lightning Greaves

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Here's my decklist Nder

Lands:
13 Islands
11 Forests
Tranquil Thicket
Rupture Spire
Temple of the False God
Simic Growth Chamber
Dryad Arbor
Evolving Wilds
Terramorphic Expanse
Halimar Depths
Vivid Creek
Slippery Karst
Treetop Village
Vivid Grove
Lonely Sandbar
Ancient Ziggurat

Land Ramp/Mana Fixing:
Simic Signet
Darksteel Ingot
Coiling Oracle
Oracle of Mul Daya
Rites of Flourishing
Krosan Tusker
Farhaven Elf

Recursion:
All Sun's Dawn
Praetor's Counsel
Revive
Eternal Witness
Genesis

Counterspells/Card draw/Card filtering:
Blue Sun's Zenith
Counterspell
Overwhelming Intellect
Mystic Snake
Dismiss
Kederekt Leviathan (great reset button)
Familiar's Ruse
Crystal Ball
Lead the Stampede
Sylvan Library
Cream of the Crop
Consecrated Sphinx
Overbeing of Myth

Tutoring (including cheap Vig triggers, cause that's what they're for):
Elvish Visionary
Carven Caryatid
Wall of Blossoms
Wistful Selkie
Winged Coatl
Fauna Shaman
Green Sun's Zenith

Bounce:
Tidespout Tyrant
Crystal Shard
Equilibrium
Cloudstone Curio

Copy effects:
Body Double
Vesuvan Shapeshifter
Rite of Replication
Mimic Vat
Spitting Image

Game-enders:
Darksteel Colossus
Pelakka Wurm
Terastodon
Woodfall Primus
Tornado Elemental
Avenger of Zendikar
Pathrazer of Ulamog
Multani, Maro-Sorceror

General goodstuff:
masked Admirers
Seedborn Muse
Lightning Greaves
Vedalken Orrery
Venser's Journal
Primal Command
Whispersilk Cloak
Genesis Wave
Beast Within
Indrik Stomphowler
Trygon Predator

Maybe it'll give you some ideas!

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Originally posted by iccarus:
@Bugger - Restock seems better than All Sun's Dawn in that list.

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Yeah, it would, if I had it

I'll make the cut as soon as I can pick up a Restock and then use All Sun's Dawn on the RUG deck I'll pick up and tune next week.

maybe after I see how powerfull it is once I put a Fauna Shamman in it too!

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
I would just start from the bottom up and cut stuff like Wildslayer Elves and Elvish Eulogist. EDH doesn't make most of the good Elves any worse than they are in other formats. Also since your general tutors you can keep that in mind when cutting Elves. You can probably just play Taunting Elf and then cut everything with a similar ability for example.

Also consider the following:

Mystic Snake
Slate of Ancestry
Skullclamp
Lightning Greaves

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My thinking with multiple Taunting Elf effects is that once my elves are big enough, I can send one "everyone block me" creature to each opponent left, and nuke them all in one strike to ensure that the other players don't all gang up on me as they see me wiping out players one by one with my swarm. I am trying to weed out some similar-ability duplicates, but it's hard to determine what effects I might need multiples of (such as sac to destroy target artifact, etc.).

I have removed a bunch from the list, and marked some others with a ? on the list as ones that I'm likely to drop, but wanted someone else who actually knows what they're talking about to look and see if I'm making any big mistakes.

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Originally posted by nderdog:
If anyone feels like helping out a n00b, I have created a list for my Momir Vig elf deck, but it needs to be pared down, and I also know I'm missing some stuff that really should be included.

http://pastebin.com/tQeRE21n

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Originally posted by choco man:
Homeward Path, very nice design (although, extremely undercosted for its effect).

I guess green is now definitively much better than blue in non-cutthroat EDH.

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On the same note, from the spoilers so far I believe my next deck is going to be based on Damia, Sage of Stone. I can't wait for next week when they launch.

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
So on the subject of combos and fun in EDH, how far is far enough?

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If they are just stalling and tutoring up pieces the whole time i would gang up on that person or stop playing with them. I don't think it's really fun.
If it happens organically because they just happen to get it, then LOL i guess.

I actually specifically pulled Thopter Assembly, Time Sieve, Sword of the Meek, and Thopter Foundry from Sharuum because i play with tutors and recursion and i think i might just be tempted to pull them over and over. Obviously a part of me thinks that would be fun to do but still, i look at it as a "how would you feel if someone else did it?" - i feel like i wouldn't be interested in playing with them.

Soooo. Grixis zombie sacrifice/reanimate themed EDH deck with Thraximundar and Sedris The Traitor King (interchangeable generals for more fun). I'm thinking there might not be as much blue stuff as i would want green, and that green has good Golgari cards that fit in this deck. Buuuut, it's hard to say no to Thraximundar and such.
These are the most important blue cards in my deck to me:
Grixis Grimblade - just an auto-include since i play with themes
Unscythe, Killer of Kings - makes a creature a beefy murderer that craps out dudes, and i've got a decent number of ways to crap out dudes
Prince of Thralls - fuuuuuun, hilarious, and i have ways to eliminate masses of enemy creatures, and combat between other players
Elder Mastery - I don't know, it's not great but i like it. Probably actually the first thing i'd cut out of this list
Slave of Bolas - Awesome art! Good removal, considering the theme of the deck is about me sacrificing stuff to punish others
Lim-Dul's Vault - It's good
Diabolic Vision - Not as good but still cool
Memory Plunder - Flavorful and fun but probably not playing it anyway
Brine Shaman - Good countermagic since i want to sacrifice creatures
Lich Lord of Unx - Craps out dudes, which is awesome since i sacrifice so much stuff. Then it burns and mills, and i play cards the reanimate enemies creatures as well.

I don't really play counterpspells and draw since it's not in theme, unless it's somehow evil themed (Necropotence, Lim-Dul's Vault, Undermine, Withering Boon) and i'm not worried about playing hardcore so cutting blue isn't going to hurt that way.
I am almost considering playing some bullcrap 5 color general just to play everything but white >.>

So, what i'm asking is what ideas are there for good green cards that help this sac/reanimate theme? Some i have in mind:
Kresh
Charnelhoard Wurm
Gleancrawler
Savra
Golgari Germination
Dragon Appeasement
??

Greater Good
Birthing Pod
Cloudthresher
Doomgape
Golgari Guildmage
Heart Warden
Momentous Fall
Mycoloth
Ooze Garden
Skullmulcher
Viridian Zealot
Yavimaya Elder

On the combo thing, at least two of the three cards(Engine/Scepter) are ones that are going to be going into the deck anyway. I don't plan on playing too much tutoring in this one, probably only some tutors for creatures.

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Originally posted by sammyt125:
Riku of Two Reflections = new hotness. I totally want to make a deck around that now.

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Thats what I thought until I started building it. It seemed to lack fun when my list was
time warp
p2 Time warp
p3k time warp
time stretch
fof
Tooth and nail
g wave

primeval titan
inferno titan
frost titan
avenger of zendikar
consecrated sphinx

the lists were both a little larger, but I deleted them because well...
I could play a watered down list, but meh. I think I might keep this dude on the back burner for a tournament or something.

I also considered Animar, Soul of Elements but felt it would too closely resemble the warp world deck I have together. I don't really like building two versions of the same deck.

Sorry if these have been addressed already...

1: What is the overall opinion of Gold Bordered and Collectors edition cards in casual play?

2: How do you feel when playing against an infect EDH deck. As I understand it you can still only get 10 poison counters. seems kind of cheating.

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Originally posted by pugowar:

1: What is the overall opinion of Gold Bordered and Collectors edition cards in casual play?

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Most groups accept these, and EDH rules say nothing about not being able to use them as Proxy (sheldon has made comments that he himself, is ok with people using GB stuff.)

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2: How do you feel when playing against an infect EDH deck. As I understand it you can still only get 10 poison counters. seems kind of cheating.

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I went agianst Skytherix once, was hard, but ..any 4/4 flying haste regenerator is going to be. My personal opinion about PSN however is that I don't see it alot, but if someone wants to use a crutch to deal 10, instead of 40 or 21, all power to them.

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1: What is the overall opinion of Gold Bordered and Collectors edition cards in casual play?
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Originally posted by Cyno:
We don't use proxies at all. If you really want to play with a card, go trade for it/buy it. It's still magic, so you play with real cards.

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<-would like to point out that the GB stuff are "real" cards in most senses. Just the back is different, with gold instead of white or black border.
Also, WOTC released the GB decks for several reasons.
Also, its a casual format, you can't make any restrictions on it.

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Originally posted by joz:
<-would like to point out that the GB stuff are "real" cards in most senses. Just the back is different, with gold instead of white or black border.
Also, WOTC released the GB decks for several reasons.
Also, its a casual format, you can't make any restrictions on it.

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If you can't play it in a sanctioned tournament, it isnt a real card. Cant play GB, -> not real cards. And you can put whatever restrictions you want on a casual format, so long as you let everyone know.