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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
So, I'm tossing around ideas in my head for a new deck. It's going to be BUG, Vorosh at the moment of course but probably switching to one of the new commanders.

I want the entire deck to be focused around counters and proliferate. It'll include fun things like Experiment Kraj and Forgotten Ancient, maybe even a Darksteel Reactor. Also going to include most planeswalkers that are in-color, excluding ones that wouldn't make sense like Nissa and new Tezz.

Anyone else know any cards which would be good to include in a deck that has counters building up quickly, or large amounts of counters being moved around?

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
The red deck I had in mind is something I would enjoy playing with. Not anything with infinite combos or anything. I just wanna build something fun out of the junk I pick up around my local area. Stuff like Galvanoth and Hoard-Smelter.

*EDIT*: I think I found my General. Urabrask The Hidden seems good for the job.

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
So, I'm tossing around ideas in my head for a new deck. It's going to be BUG, Vorosh at the moment of course but probably switching to one of the new commanders.

I want the entire deck to be focused around counters and proliferate. It'll include fun things like Experiment Kraj and Forgotten Ancient, maybe even a Darksteel Reactor. Also going to include most planeswalkers that are in-color, excluding ones that wouldn't make sense like Nissa and new Tezz.

Anyone else know any cards which would be good to include in a deck that has counters building up quickly, or large amounts of counters being moved around?

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Viral Drake for reusable proliferate

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
Hey guys would i be awesome if i Power Artifact a mana rock and Prosperity everyone to death?

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Originally posted by choco man:
Got my primeval titan caught under Kiki-Jiki player's mimic vat.

He had a Rings of Brighthearth out and made 4 hasty Primeval titans and killed me with Valakut for 36 damage. Great!

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Awesome play. Seriously.

What banned lists do you guys use?
Until yesterday or so i had only known, and only thought 'official', the list on mtgcommander.net

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
I think i might try to convince my lgs to run Commander tournies. Kinda of a long shot and would take some work but it makes me wonder;

What banned lists do you guys use?
Until yesterday or so i had only known, and only thought 'official', the list on mtgcommander.net

Aside from banned lists, do other people have different rules?
I thought i had read that commanders are not affected by legendary rules. Which kinda made sense because if two people have the same general... well that would just be really unfun. I thought the non-commanders would be affected, such as clone, or playing a legend from your deck that is someone else's commander.

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Ban Islands, your games will be much more fun and interesting without them.

Also, current rule is that commanders/generals are still affected by the legend rule and the EDH RC( rules comity) has commented many times that this is not likely to change.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
2x the same generals don't kill each other, but a clone or a copy in someone's deck will.

Also, I assumed islands were the problem when I was playing abusive whatever decks. I switched to a jund deck and people think its fun to an extent. The 20+ point g-waves that happen when I'm not allowed to warp world are what people tend to dislike.

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No one ever likes it when big "X" spells go off, GWave, GGenesis and a few others are at the top of that list.

GWaveing for 11-15 is what I usually aim for, and draws far less hate.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Ban islands?

How come no one talks about banning forests? Every EDH in my area plays green. Every EDH I play has green....wait?

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Green can be taken care of but just about every other color or color combination.

Blue...not so much.

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Originally posted by joz:

GWaveing for 11-15 is what I usually aim for, and draws far less hate.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I don't care about hate. If it resolves, its likely I'm going to win since I'm that far ahead. Its way fun to hit things like e witness and earthcraft on the wave and pick it up and do it again. Or hit akroma's memorial...

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I think the best I ever hit with a wave was durring a 4way FFA, and X=17 . turned over Earthcraft, Vernal Bloom, Cloudstone Curio, Skullclamp and a Avenger of Zendikar (among other things) That game ended right there when Oros, Mayael, and Doran, all did a simultaneous scoop without realizing they were all doing it.

Cruio is broken, Earthcraft is broken, Skullclamp is broken.

Whats the common factor? they aren't creatures!

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Originally posted by joz:
Green can be taken care of but just about every other color or color combination.

Blue...not so much.

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I disagree. In anything other than the most cutthroat EDH games, green is better than blue.

The way games normally play out, players play threats and opponents answer threats. Except the green players has 5-6 more lands than non-green players do. That let's you replay generals/topdecks much easier/faster than non-green players.

And since non-cutthroat EDH has no land destruction, nothing ever really stops a green player from ramping. Land ramping is practically a permanent advantage and mana advantage is the MOST IMPORTANT thing in EDH games.

Green even has better engines than Blue. Blue has Mind Over Matter (imho, the 2nd most powerful unbanned card) but Green has Survival of the Fittest, Greater Good, Earthcraft, Aluren.

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Originally posted by choco man:
I disagree. In anything other than the most cutthroat EDH games, green is better than blue.

The way games normally play out, players play threats and opponents answer threats. Except the green players has 5-6 more lands than non-green players do. That let's you replay generals/topdecks much easier/faster than non-green players.

And since non-cutthroat EDH has no land destruction, nothing ever really stops a green player from ramping. Land ramping is practically a permanent advantage and mana advantage is the MOST IMPORTANT thing in EDH games.

Green even has better engines than Blue. Blue has Mind Over Matter (imho, the 2nd most powerful unbanned card) but Green has Survival of the Fittest, Greater Good, Earthcraft, Aluren.

Blue used to have Tinker, Tolarian Academy, and Gifts Ungiven. Green STILL has Genesis Wave, Gaea's Cradle, and Tooth and Nail.

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And blue still has counterspells.

But what I'm saying is this:

Any color has the ability to control green, be it either mass removal, target removed of big fatties, or the like.

But every color but blue is going to have problems with blue, because blue can take care of problems when they are on the stack, or even afterwards without having to worry about something being indestructible. Control Magic style effects, (Desertion being a particular favorite), Counterspells, good bounce (Capsize), etc.... All green can do is flop cards down and hope for the best.

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still doesn't get it...

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Look, ever since Primeval Titan was printed there has been a dramatic movement of players towards favoring generals with at least green in their identity.

A lot of people play green just for the privilege of playing stuff like Primeval Titan, Seedborn Muse, Oracle of Mul Daya, Kodama's Reach, Explosive Vegatation, Sakura Tribe Elder, Eternal Witness.

Players don't nearly play blue as much even though you get mana drain, spelljack, bribery.

Counterspells aren't nearly as powerful as land ramp in EDH. Black or white players don't even care about Bribery since they can just kill any creature you get. What does blue have, bounce/steal? You disregard that the other colors ALL can handle threats better or at least on par with blue.

Green: Tooth and Nail for Woodfall Primus and Terastodon/Melira
Black: decree of pain, overwhelming forces,
Red: obliterate, jokulhaups,
White: path, swords, Austere command, catastrophe, reveillark loops with acidic slime/etc. Karmic guide loops for the same

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Originally posted by choco man:{doesn't get it at all}

But only green has land ramp.[/B]

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*BUAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAHAA!*

Sorry, that was just too funny.

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Originally posted by joz:

*BUAHAHAHAHHAAAAHAHAA!*
Sorry, that was just too funny.

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Sorry, that you're just too stupid.

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Originally posted by choco man:
Sorry, that you're just too stupid.

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Sorry, but I'm not.

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Where the hell is that upcoming bannings thread

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