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Originally posted by WestWycke:
Not trying to rain on your parade, but could you explain your infinite combo? I don't see anything even remotely resembling what you are describing.

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Battlesphere attack trigger on the stack:

Sack a Myr token to Krark-clan Ironworks, make 2 mana. Sac Battlesphere, make 2 mana. Nim Deathmantle's ability triggers, use the 4 mana you generated from KCI to reanimate Battlesphere and attach it to Deathmantle. Battlesphere's ETB ability triggers. Lather, rinse, repeat until you have arbitrarily large number of Myr tokens.

Battlesphere attack ability resolves, tap all your Myr tokens. Kill face.

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
Sacrifice a Myr token to KCI for 2 mana, ignore the Deathmantle trigger.

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-- In reference to the Panglacial Wurm suggestion for the Vorinclex deck.

-- Found these for my grixis zombies commander deck. The general point/theme is opponents sacrifice stuff and i benefit, or sacrifice my own stuff and punish others for it.
Thraximundar -> General
Butcher of Malakir
Grave Pact
Anowon the Ruin Sage
It that Betrays
Magus of the Abyss
Malfegor
Fleshbag Marauder
Innocent Blood
Sheoldred, Whispering One

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I'm looking for a card similar to nim deathmantle available for esper. Any ideas?

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You can use a combination of effects such as a flipped Nezumi Graverobber + sac outlet; or such.

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Originally posted by OGB:
Battlesphere attack trigger on the stack:

Sack a Myr token to Krark-clan Ironworks, make 2 mana. Sac Battlesphere, make 2 mana. Nim Deathmantle's ability triggers, use the 4 mana you generated from KCI to reanimate Battlesphere and attach it to Deathmantle. Battlesphere's ETB ability triggers. Lather, rinse, repeat until you have arbitrarily large number of Myr tokens.

Edit: Murderous Redcap is infinite damage

Battlesphere attack ability resolves, tap all your Myr tokens. Kill face.

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You can do similar things with Ashnod's Altar and anything that produces at least 2 tokens or has persist.

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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
So I'm attempting to do the seemingly impossible and build a good mono-red EDH deck. I know burn is bad in EDH but what do people think of stuff like Fireball and Comet Storm? The pump to get big burn spells.

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Comet storm is actually pretty good if you have big mana available. Caged Sun and Gauntlet of Power will help that happen. Gauntlet of Might as well, if you have access to one. What are you thinking about for the general?

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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
So I'm attempting to do the seemingly impossible and build a good mono-red EDH deck. I know burn is bad in EDH but what do people think of stuff like Fireball and Comet Storm? The pump to get big burn spells.

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I have a Zirilan of the Claw deck built. Fetching out hasty dragons is nice, and there are several nice sac outlets (Goblin Bombardment, Culling Dais, Claws of Gix, etc.) If you have a sac outlet, Nim Deathmantle is pretty nice. It's fairly cheap to build, too.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
Comet storm is actually pretty good if you have big mana available. Caged Sun and Gauntlet of Power will help that happen. Gauntlet of Might as well, if you have access to one. What are you thinking about for the general?

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I'm actually not to sure about the General just yet, I thought about red Akroma.
I don't want to use Godo because I already have an equipment heavy Thrun deck. :/

Also Zirilan does look good but in my local area I know for a fact they won't let me keep him on the board long enough to be useful. They don't even like Glissa, The traitor on the field for more than one turn. So I have to use something that removal isn't really going to affect.

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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
I'm actually not to sure about the General just yet, I thought about red Akroma.
I don't want to use Godo because I already have an equipment heavy Thrun deck. :/

Also Zirilan does look good but in my local area I know for a fact they won't let me keep him on the board long enough to be useful. They don't even like Glissa, The traitor on the field for more than one turn. So I have to use something that removal isn't really going to affect.

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If you're eager to do X spells type stuff, Rosheen Meanderer could be built as mono red.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
If you're eager to do X spells type stuff, Rosheen Meanderer could be built as mono red.

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:O Well now that changes everything. May really consider that, Thanks!

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Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
rosheen menderer is hybrid green/red so I believe youre general has to have those colors.vicious shadows is nice.kumano with gorgon flail or basilisk collar.Sneak attack/eldrazi but those arent cheap.

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I think he was saying that Rosheen Meanderer could be your commander, but since she's hybrid, you could just build mono-red X-spell.dec.

However, there are a lot of nice green X spells, too. Gelatinous Genesis, Genesis Wave, Strength of the Tajuru, Protean and Feral Hydra, Kraklin, etc.

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Originally posted by jaromirjagr:
rosheen menderer is hybrid green/red so I believe youre general has to have those colors.vicious shadows is nice.kumano with gorgon flail or basilisk collar.Sneak attack/eldrazi but those arent cheap.

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I was, in fact, suggesting it as the Commander for the deck. I do also agree that there are tons of nice X spells in green to use with her, but it's by no means required.

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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
So I'm attempting to do the seemingly impossible and build a good mono-red EDH deck. I know burn is bad in EDH but what do people think of stuff like Fireball and Comet Storm? The pump to get big burn spells.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Mono-red works decently. Just stock it full of card draw and artifact mana.

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Its a great strategy trying to make it as mono blue as possible!!

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Originally posted by choco man:
Its a great strategy trying to make it as mono blue as possible!!

Seriously though, don't overload on those and work using red's strengths instead (i.e. land/artifact kill, damage).

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The biggest problem with red is that, when you play to its strengths, people accuse you of building a griefer deck.

I have Kiki-Jiki built. It can be a wonderful deck to play, but I've had to seriously water it down to avoid infinite combos.

I want the entire deck to be focused around counters and proliferate. It'll include fun things like Experiment Kraj and Forgotten Ancient, maybe even a Darksteel Reactor. Also going to include most planeswalkers that are in-color, excluding ones that wouldn't make sense like Nissa and new Tezz.

Anyone else know any cards which would be good to include in a deck that has counters building up quickly, or large amounts of counters being moved around?

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Originally posted by eXtremeEagle:
Anyone else know any cards which would be good to include in a deck that has counters building up quickly, or large amounts of counters being moved around?

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Gilder Bairn, Lux Cannon, Doubling Season, Inexorable Tide, Spike Weaver, Simic Guildmage, Contagion Clasp/Engine, and Fertilid. CoK Myojins rock with proliferate as well.