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iccarus
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
I haven't, what is/was it?

Two guys showed up to the main FFA events with Erayo decks tuned to flip early and lock out each of the tables as quickly as possible. I've heard several stories about how many games were pretty much over by turn 3-4. It lead to the same kind of collusion that makes just about any form of EDH tournament with a prize on the line a bad idea.

It was a different spin on what happened at GC2010, where the "EDH Mafia" basically enrolled in the tournament with the plan of playing teams against the rest of their table and then splitting the prizes.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by iccarus on September 20, 2011]

 
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Yah, had some dude on MTGO play island, mana crypt, erayo, expedition map, daze my expedition map. Then he passed to me and I got to take my first turn...

I blocked him after that game., I did happen to join someone else's game and he did as well. When he showed erayo as his general someone conceded on the spot, then I did, and he started calling people idiots and such.

I've done some pretty broken stuff in my games, but usually you have a chance to actually play the game before I do something dumb.

 
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The guest columnist on SCG today actually goes over the event pretty well.

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/commander/22807_Embracing_The_Chaos_Cheap_Whiskey_OldSchool_Conan_And_Erayo.html

On a non-Erayo note. I don't see a whole lot yet in INN that really appeals to me for EDH. I'll need to pick up some of the lands of course, but I can probably wait on quite a few of the others. Although, the dragon might be worth picking up for Karrthus.

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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
Yah, had some dude on MTGO play island, mana crypt, erayo, expedition map, daze my expedition map. Then he passed to me and I got to take my first turn...

I blocked him after that game., I did happen to join someone else's game and he did as well. When he showed erayo as his general someone conceded on the spot, then I did, and he started calling people idiots and such.

I've done some pretty broken stuff in my games, but usually you have a chance to actually play the game before I do something dumb.


How dare you deprive him of the enjoyment of depriving you of enjoyment?

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Originally posted by iccarus:
The guest columnist on SCG today actually goes over the event pretty well.

interesting article... and a good way to start the morning.

Best quote from the article:

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Honest.


 
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The sad thing about it is my favorite card in magic is stasis which deprives people of enjoyment.

But i don't play those cards in EDH i play big green cards!

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Originally posted by WeedIan:
The sad thing about it is my favorite card in magic is stasis which deprives people of enjoyment.


I have a grand arbiter deck that runs stasis. It is so good at depriving people of enjoyment that it even deprives me of it for a majority of the game... right up until one of the locals goes on a tirade about how unfun I make the game. This deck is together, but it never really comes out. The last time I played it was our first EDH tournament. I wanted to shut down ridiculous infinite combos. I ended up winning 2 of the 3 matches by my opponents conceding. There have since been tournaments here at another shop and I don't bring out my grand arbiter deck. I keep it around just in case someone feels the need to make something dumb.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by caquaa:
I have a grand arbiter deck that runs stasis. It is so good at depriving people of enjoyment that it even deprives me of it for a majority of the game... right up until one of the locals goes on a tirade about how unfun I make the game. This deck is together, but it never really comes out. The last time I played it was our first EDH tournament. I wanted to shut down ridiculous infinite combos. I ended up winning 2 of the 3 matches by my opponents conceding. There have since been tournaments here at another shop and I don't bring out my grand arbiter deck. I keep it around just in case someone feels the need to make something dumb.

Awhile ago, a guy who was new to our group built his first deck like that. Hannah was the general and it had Kismet effects plus the wonderful Sun Titan + Stasis. We convinced him pretty fast why that was a bad idea for what's usually a pretty casual group.

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Finally got the gf interested in EDH, she wants to play mono-white or red-white. Any suggestions on simple/beginner generals for those color combinations? I wanted to do a Linvala angel/taxes deck but I think the taxes part might be a little too advanced for her.

 
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Jor kadeen is pretty straight forward. It just uses a lot of mana rocks and then things like myr battlesphere, thoper assembly, precursor golemn, etc. You could even run the white shrine. I'm sure there are some great older cards that would work nicely in this deck, but for the most part you can stick to the standard era and do fine. Just focus on making artifact token creatures to both give jor kadeen metal craft and to attack with.

One nuts card in this deck is sunforger. You can go grab return to dust, into the core, path, swords, etc. Very very versatile card. To lend to this you can play a package for equipemnts swith stoneforge mystic, stonehewer giant, steel shaper's gift, and maybe a few others I'm missing. If you want to throw swords or darksteel plate or maybe even the kaldera equipments in you can get an easy base for the deck.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by potaguitar:
Finally got the gf interested in EDH, she wants to play mono-white or red-white. Any suggestions on simple/beginner generals for those color combinations? I wanted to do a Linvala angel/taxes deck but I think the taxes part might be a little too advanced for her.


8.5 tails!

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what the above said. 8 and a half tails is a great place to start.

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Thanks a lot for the responses everybody. I will definitely look into eight and a half tails. Also, while looking through potential generals, I remembered Kaalia. Seems like a perfect non-combo beginner general. Just play big dudes and beat face. Anybody have experience playing her?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by potaguitar:
Thanks a lot for the responses everybody. I will definitely look into eight and a half tails. Also, while looking through potential generals, I remembered Kaalia. Seems like a perfect non-combo beginner general. Just play big dudes and beat face. Anybody have experience playing her?

Kaalia can be very strong 1:1, especially vs other precons since the others have very little removal. You can build her different ways, but the swing/drop big dudes approach is a great place for a beginner.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
The guest columnist on SCG today actually goes over the event pretty well.

http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/commander/22807_Embracin g_The_Chaos_Cheap_Whiskey_OldSchool_Conan_And_Erayo.html


That was a much better read than the usual Sheldon fare. Thanks for the link.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by potaguitar:
Finally got the gf interested in EDH, she wants to play mono-white or red-white. Any suggestions on simple/beginner generals for those color combinations? I wanted to do a Linvala angel/taxes deck but I think the taxes part might be a little too advanced for her.


Brion Stoutarm is a fun RW general

 
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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
That was a much better read than the usual Sheldon fare. Thanks for the link.

Still pretty awful.
Just don't play with Erayo players. Don't ruin it for the rest of us with bans of stuff like LoA and Kokusho that aren't nearly as abusive as cards that are legal.

 
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Originally posted by Volcanon:
Still pretty awful.
Just don't play with Erayo players. Don't ruin it for the rest of us with bans of stuff like LoA and Kokusho that aren't nearly as abusive as cards that are legal.

Seems just as fair for the RC to say to players just don't play with Erayo.

 
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My EDH decks are getting too abusive at times.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlHIOoL0opWbdGJHSno3QnhaMUJ6UVdHSExOeENtNEE&hl=en_US#gid=0

My friend was playing my green deck and just went insane with Greater Good, Kozilek and Pattern of Rebirth.

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well EDH has a few issues currently that are mostly fixed by how you play and build decks really. If you abuse the problems then the game loses quite a bit of its fun.

Green ramps too much. If you aren't playing green then there is a good chance you're way too far behind in the game. I've seen a lot of people online running Insight on mtgo.

Blue is dumb. Recurring insight? consecrated sphinx? An abusive number of cheap clones, etc. Blue can do some unfair things and really just gets annoying when you add time warps and counterspells to the mix.

 
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I want to build a tribal EDH now likely Zombies, but Allies, Rebels could also be on the table.

I'd like to make sure the deck is competitive though. Did innistrad give me enough to make a good zombie deck? I'd like to play cards that allow me to play zombies for free or from the yard. I really like that new Mythic guy as a General just because of his Flavour.

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If someone plays shahrazad, couldn't you just scoop the mini-game and take the burn?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
If someone plays shahrazad, couldn't you just scoop the mini-game and take the burn?

assuming everyone in the minigame was willing to do that. Beyond that, what happens when it gets cast for a 3rd time? 4th time? etc. Its a 2 mana spell that makes your opponents lose half their life? That sounds kinda bad to play against.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
I want to build a tribal EDH now likely Zombies, but Allies, Rebels could also be on the table.

I'd like to make sure the deck is competitive though. Did innistrad give me enough to make a good zombie deck? I'd like to play cards that allow me to play zombies for free or from the yard. I really like that new Mythic guy as a General just because of his Flavour.


There are plenty of zombies that you really didn't need Innistrad to make it happen. Grimgrin is very cool, though.

 
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Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
If someone plays shahrazad, couldn't you just scoop the mini-game and take the burn?

Yup you can but they banned it because that's how it was being played.

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