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NukeMoose
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Correct. Phyrexian Tower is actually better for me than Diamond Valley. I also use Greater Gargadon as an uncounterable sac outlet. People will often let you Eladmiri's Call thinking they'll kill/counter the creature.

P tower>Valley>High Market>Miren

What creatures are you sacrificing for life gain? Serra Avatar? To me anything large enough to be considered good life gain is a horrible trade for board position. If you are just sacing things randomly that are going to die anyways, then I could see Miren would be best for that, as having a land that doesn't produce mana can be very awkward. I'd put high market over valley in that case for the same reason.

[Edited 2 times, lastly by NukeMoose on September 02, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by NukeMoose:
What creatures are you sacrificing for life gain?

I like to steal things with Preacher and then sac it if I don't like the creature. Then I can get a better creature next time, too.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by NukeMoose:
P tower>Valley>High Market>Miren

What creatures are you sacrificing for life gain? Serra Avatar? To me anything large enough to be considered good life gain is a horrible trade for board position. If you are just sacing things randomly that are going to die anyways, then I could see Miren would be best for that, as having a land that doesn't produce mana can be very awkward. I'd put high market over valley in that case for the same reason.


I think you misunderstood my entire post. I'm not looking for a sacrifice outlet. I'm looking to play the lands mainly to gain life.

If your assuming that I'm just playing creatures to sacrificing randomly, thanks for assuming that I'm dumb.

 
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Started to post my EDH decks via google docs as well.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlHIOoL0opWbdGJHSno3QnhaMUJ6UVdHSExOeENtNEE&hl=en_US#gid=0

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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Started to post my EDH decks via google docs as well.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlHIOoL0opWbdGJHSno3QnhaMU J6UVdHSExOeENtNEE&hl=en_US#gid=0


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Just picked up a copy of the Portal 2 card "Piracy" UU- Sorcery- (This turn, you may tap your opponent's lands to help pay for your spells.) Seems pretty good. Anyone using this card?

[Edited 1 times, lastly by moxdiamd on September 06, 2011]
 
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Originally posted by moxdiamd:
Just picked up a copy of the Portal 2 card "Piracy" UU- Sorcery- (This turn, you may tap your opponent's lands to help pay for your spells.) Seems pretty good. Anyone using this card?

Don't they just tap their lands in response to you playing Piracy? No more mana burn, so all it likely does is just tap your opponents out.

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
Don't they just tap their lands in response to you playing Piracy? No more mana burn, so all it likely does is just tap your opponents out.


Yup that's why i got rid of my Piracy asap when i picked one up.

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:
Don't they just tap their lands in response to you playing Piracy? No more mana burn, so all it likely does is just tap your opponents out.


Hmmm. This is why I shouldn't take such long breaks from Magic. I kinda overlooked that little tidbit. Thanks guys.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
I think you misunderstood my entire post. I'm not looking for a sacrifice outlet. I'm looking to play the lands mainly to gain life.

If your assuming that I'm just playing creatures to sacrificing randomly, thanks for assuming that I'm dumb.


I tried to engage you on that in my last response because I thought I finally understood what you were asking about. What creatures are you sacrificing for life gain?

I don't think you're stupid which is why I put "unless you are saccing creatures randomly that will die anyways" like gaining life in response to wrath or Swords to Plowshares, then Miren is going to work for you because it adds mana.

Psrex mentioned saccing things to preacher and then stealing more creatures. Here I think Valley is better because it ties up a lot less mana (even though it doesn't produce mana itself).

Anyways, if you reeeeeally want that life gain aspect the correct answer is probably both. If you are running G/W/x then ad Riftstone Portal if you aren't already. Any EDH list can run Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth as well to help out your Mazes and Valleys making mana.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by moxdiamd:
Hmmm. This is why I shouldn't take such long breaks from Magic. I kinda overlooked that little tidbit. Thanks guys.

If you want a cad that does similar thing, use Drain Power.

 
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(Spoiler: new Innistrad card in the link below)
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/160


Possibly an answer to Hinder/Crumple/Condemn that any deck can run if they are hurt by having their general tucked.

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Seems good with crystal ball.
 
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Anybody else abusing Godo with vigilance creatures?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Anybody else abusing Godo with vigilance creatures?

As a General?

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Not as a General. Red doesn't have a lot of good vigilance creatures (minus Akroma's Vengeance of course) and just a bunch of bad samurai's.

I've been using Godo with Horde of Notions as my general. And I've been doling out the punishment.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Not as a General. Red doesn't have a lot of good vigilance creatures (minus Akroma's Vengeance of course) and just a bunch of bad samurai's.

I've been using Godo with Horde of Notions as my general. And I've been doling out the punishment.


Decent, but its harder to abuse Godo if he's not your General

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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Anybody else abusing Godo with vigilance creatures?

BRILLIANT

 
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Had someone play nature's revolt and smash me for a decent amount of damage. On my turn I tutor up decree of pain with 5 mana up, then pass turn. I figured this would dissuade people from attacking me. Well on the next turn the guy w/ 2x magus of the coffers and a graveborn muse for some reason casts infest... so I respond with a cycle on decree leaving only nature's revolt in play. It took me 3 turns (because lands have summoning sickness), but an animate dead on my sheoldred sure locked that game up pretty fast. Sac a land every turn and new lands you play have summoning sickness? lol

 
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Originally posted by caquaa:
Had someone play nature's revolt and smash me for a decent amount of damage. On my turn I tutor up decree of pain with 5 mana up, then pass turn. I figured this would dissuade people from attacking me. Well on the next turn the guy w/ 2x magus of the coffers and a graveborn muse for some reason casts infest... so I respond with a cycle on decree leaving only nature's revolt in play. It took me 3 turns (because lands have summoning sickness), but an animate dead on my sheoldred sure locked that game up pretty fast. Sac a land every turn and new lands you play have summoning sickness? lol


Epic!

This is why i love EDH!

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ugh with the new banning my Shazrahads (had a vintage deck that played them) are now completely worthless...
 
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ugh with the new banning my Shazrahads (had a vintage deck that played them) are now completely worthless...

Not worthless but no more play with them is sad

3rd General to be banned.

LED is back in EDH!

Does the price of Erayo, Soratami Ascendant drop now? Or is it played somewhere else?

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by WeedIan on September 20, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by WeedIan:
Not worthless but no more play with them is sad

3rd General to be banned.

LED is back in EDH!

Does the price of Erayo, Soratami Ascendant drop now? Or is it played somewhere else?


Price was largely due to being used in some Modern-affinity builds. Not really because of Commander.

I heard about the GenCon Erayo horde, but I've never actually seen it played locally. Based on the descriptions though I have no problems with it being gone.

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quote:
Originally posted by iccarus:

I heard about the GenCon Erayo horde

I haven't, what is/was it?

 
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Here is the vintage deck i found

http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/18924554/Erayo_Sollution?pg=1

Considering you could play him as a general in a format where mana ramping is easy. It wouldn't be difficult to cast him and 3 1 mana spells on turn 4 even in EDH.

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