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Volcanon
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quote:
Originally posted by Uthaedeol:
Just realised that Chaos Orb is legal in Commander. Awesome.


Mostly because it's just awful.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Mostly because it's just awful.

its an extra vindicate if you have any skills flipping, but most people take the fun out of it back spreading their cards across the table and doing other dumb things. Makes it rather unfun to attempt to play with. Glad its not legal because its just a headache.

 
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If chaos orb really was legal in EDH I would get one, just for the fun/coolness factor. I wouldn't care how effective it (or rather, my flipping skills) is/are.

So my first EDH deck is Arcum Dagsson (should be finished construction in another week and a half or so). I'm already thinking of what my second deck will be. I like decks with search, card draw, variety, make you think to play them well, and are powerful.
So far I'm leaning toward Momir Vig. Any suggestions for other good generals?

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quote:
Originally posted by rockondon:
If chaos orb really was legal in EDH I would get one, just for the fun/coolness factor. I wouldn't care how effective it (or rather, my flipping skills) is/are.

So my first EDH deck is Arcum Dagsson (should be finished construction in another week and a half or so). I'm already thinking of what my second deck will be. I like decks with search, card draw, variety, make you think to play them well, and are powerful.
So far I'm leaning toward Momir Vig. Any suggestions for other good generals?


Momir is annoying. Not really any fun to play against.
Let's see...I think almost any General can be good depending on what route you take.
I would do Captain Sisay but I wish I would have access to all colors for the Legends. I would make a Weatherlight Saga based EDH.

That would be badass (All creatures from Greven, Volrath, Mirri, Crovax, Rofellos, Multani, Blind Seer (Urza), etc.) and all Dragons.
That would be fun. Just make Cromat the general haha.

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I played Momir for a long time and it got boring pretty quickly. Notice how with Tutors you end up tutoring for the same thing over and over....

If you want to be competitive, use Simic colors, and have something completely different from Arcum I suggest Edric, Spymaster of Trest. Playing Flying Men and Scryb Sprite are very strange in EDH, but very effective.

I went out of town and played EDH at a store for the first time. I got made fun of for playing Scryb Sprite. The locals just wouldn't shut up. "Oh, why aren't you playing Scryb Ranger, instead? It's like 100 times better...lulz..." Until I played Natural Order and got Primeval Titan turn 3. I didn't drop a single game of EDH that night. People just aren't prepared to have early blockers.

On the other hand, you could just focus on having a fun deck. As in "fun for everyone, and not just yourself." I like land-destruction but I'm not oblivious to the fact that most players don't like it. Same with Erayo and Acrum and Grand Arbiter and Gaddock, I like prison and that style, but I have to have other decks to have fun with players at my store, too.

 
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So any decks, such as Mimeoplasm, that use Eldrazi are really annoyign to play against. It's not fun.

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I like Geth as a general, especially in multiplayer where you almost always have a target by the time he comes out.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by ryan2754:
So any decks, such as Mimeoplasm, that use Eldrazi are really annoyign to play against. It's not fun.


Yeah I 1000% agree with this. Really hate the eldrazi titans.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by hilikuS:
Yeah I 1000% agree with this. Really hate the eldrazi titans.

Do you guys mind the artisan?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
I like Geth as a general, especially in multiplayer where you almost always have a target by the time he comes out.

My friend built an awesome Geth deck, but the problem with it is that it just takes too much mana that isn't really available in black.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by SageShadows:
My friend built an awesome Geth deck, but the problem with it is that it just takes too much mana that isn't really available in black.

Off the top of my head: Cabal Coffers (+Vesuva), Magus of the Coffers, Nirkana Revenant, Gauntlet of Power, Cage of Suns are all things that are in my Geth deck that allow it to do some really expensive things mana wise.

I really like playing Geth as my general. Tip for all Geth players - Altar of Dementia is the nuts with Geth. Once you steal a Su-Chi from a 'yard with Geth and the altar on the table you just can't go back.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by stab107:
Off the top of my head: Cabal Coffers (+Vesuva), Magus of the Coffers, Nirkana Revenant, Gauntlet of Power, Cage of Suns are all things that are in my Geth deck that allow it to do some really expensive things mana wise.

I really like playing Geth as my general. Tip for all Geth players - Altar of Dementia is the nuts with Geth. Once you steal a Su-Chi from a 'yard with Geth and the altar on the table you just can't go back.


Play pretty much all artifact mana and you'll do fine. It's not going to win tournaments, but then its a 'casual format'.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by Volcanon:
Play pretty much all artifact mana and you'll do fine.

Nowadays, I think this is pretty much the problem with EDH deck-construction in general.

 
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Right, which is why people should be playing more artifact destruction, to punish the accelerators.

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The only reason I was actually able to put in artifact acceleration is because I haven't played the one guy who always played tons of artifact destruction in the last few months. Come September I'll probably have to take them out.

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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Nowadays, I think this is pretty much the problem with EDH deck-construction in general.


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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
Right, which is why people should be playing more artifact destruction, to punish the accelerators.


which is fine, in theory. The issue with it is that anyone playing green just ramps lands like crazy and playing geddon is taboo. All you do is punish people for not playing green if you're specifically hating out artifacts.

 
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I've made Rith and am currently constructing Norin. When I'm done with that what should I do? I've considered Riku and Damia. I mostly play more for the fun factor of EDH, which would you choose and why? Even though I play for fun, I still have expensive and good cards in them, just wondering which I should make.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Yoda64:
I've made Rith and am currently constructing Norin. When I'm done with that what should I do? I've considered Riku and Damia. I mostly play more for the fun factor of EDH, which would you choose and why? Even though I play for fun, I still have expensive and good cards in them, just wondering which I should make.

Riku. You don't need a masterfully tuned deck to have fun with him, and if you can keep him alive long enough to copy stuff it's goodtimez.

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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:
Nowadays, I think this is pretty much the problem with EDH deck-construction in general.


How else do you propose that monoblack and monored succeed in a field where it's all turn four brokendrops?

 
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I had a great time with Niv-Mizzet tonight.

I think other players did too b/c I didn't use the following cards in my deck:
Palinchron
Curiosity/Ophidian Eye
Mind over Matter
Sundering Titan
Mindslaver

Had a game where I cast Dragonstorm for four dragons. Another game where using Thought Reflection + Sakashisma, I was able to Niz-Mizzet kill my two opponents (in 5 player star game) without comboing.


quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
Right, which is why people should be playing more artifact destruction, to punish the accelerators.

Using artifact destruction is fine, but in the long run it's a losing battle. It's like using O-ring to kill Jace TMS, they already drew their card. I play one Nature's Claim in my Edric deck, which is enough to slow most other decks but only because Edric is one of the faster generals.

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Originally posted by Volcanon:
How else do you propose that monoblack and monored succeed in a field where it's all turn four brokendrops?

Exactly. You wouldn't need an artifact shell in your deck, but since everybody's going to be playing them....Mono-black does have Coffers, so it's not all bad.

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quote:
Originally posted by choco man:

Using artifact destruction is fine, but in the long run it's a losing battle. It's like using O-ring to kill Jace TMS, they already drew their card.

That's why I play all the card advantage Disenchants.

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They get a lot better when you get something more than just a Disenchant from them.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
That's why I play all the card advantage Disenchants.

Aura Shards


I have seen a lot of games where non-green decks just lose to this card on turn 3.

 
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My G/W deck plays with all the Indrik Stomphowler, Acidic Slime, etc. so that I can destroy an artifact or enchantment and still get a creature out of the deal, which can carry a sword or Warhammer.
 
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quote:
Originally posted by Tha Gunslinga:
That's why I play all the card advantage Disenchants.

Aura Shards
Orim's Thunder
Dismantling Blow
Return to Dust
Artifact Mutation

They get a lot better when you get something more than just a Disenchant from them.


I'm a big fan of Viashino Heretic. That guy just doesn't get enough love. Fracturing Gust is also good times.

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