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Originally posted by choco man:
Even though my former Rafiq deck had a serious infect slant and racked up a lot of infect kills, I only played Inkmoth Nexus and Viridian Corrupter. And NO Grafted Exoskeleton.

Until every deck starts using Grafted Exoskeleton, 10 poison is already tough, except for Skittles.

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I have tried Grafted Exoskeleton and was not impressed. Most of the time it is going to take two swings and with nothing to back it up you actually are out damage if it is dealt with before it is killed.

buried alive, drop a triskellion, wonder, one fattie like death's shadow.

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Originally posted by Choshu:
My all time favorite combo with the devour to power deck is

buried alive, drop a triskellion, wonder, one fattie like death's shadow.

mime the triskellion get +1's from death's shadow, swing than shoot the +1's for a instant kill.

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However, I will say that bloodchief ascension is absolutely insane. Especially with windborn muse and windfall/minds aglow. Thinking about adding skyscribing for more backstabby group hug fun.

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Why are Mimeoplasm players so greedy?

I have Tormod's Crypt and I'm going to eat his graveyard if he trys to make a 20/20 flying insanomonster. Or he could take other people's stuff and get his general AND not lose his graveyard but he tries me anyway. Why don't those players know how to just play normal, and not go for broke every time?

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Originally posted by MasterWolf:
Why are Mimeoplasm players so greedy?

I have Tormod's Crypt and I'm going to eat his graveyard if he trys to make a 20/20 flying insanomonster. Or he could take other people's stuff and get his general AND not lose his graveyard but he tries me anyway. Why don't those players know how to just play normal, and not go for broke every time?

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Originally posted by sammyt125:
I don't get it, if you Crypt The Mimeoplasm owner he can just take other people's stuff anyway.

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Originally posted by Choshu:
My all time favorite combo with the devour to power deck is

buried alive, drop a triskellion, wonder, one fattie like death's shadow.

mime the triskellion get +1's from death's shadow, swing than shoot the +1's for a instant kill.

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Assuming your intent is to kill with general damage, that does not work. Only combat damage counts towards the 21.

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Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-:
When you upgrade that from the pre con you can get Triskelion/Lord of Extinction

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Originally posted by Choshu:
Wait a sec, how does that work? If triskellion is the copy, you would only get +'s from the other creature, in Lord of extinctions case, 0 since you dont get his passive ability also. Is that correct?

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You would get the counters from the arbitrary large lord of extinction, just like Mortivor, his ability is a characteristic defining ability, and works in the graveyard.

also known as a static ability:

604.1 - Static abilities do something all the time rather than being activated or triggered. They are written as statements, and they're simply true. [CompRules 2009/07/08]

604.2 - Static abilities create continuous effects, some of which are prevention effects or replacement effects. These effects are active as long as the permanent with the ability remains on the battlefield and has the ability, or as long as the object with the ability remains in the appropriate zone, as described in Rule 112.6. [CompRules 2009/07/08]

112.6a - Characteristic-defining abilities function everywhere, even outside the game. (See Rule 604.3.) [CompRules 2009/10/01]

604.3a - A static ability is a characteristic-defining ability if it meets the following criteria: (1) It defines an object's colors, subtypes, power, or toughness; (2) it is printed on the card it affects, it was granted to the token it affects by the effect that created the token, or it was acquired by the object it affects as the result of a copy effect or text-changing effect; (3) it does not directly affect the characteristics of any other objects; (4) it is not an ability that an object grants to itself; and (5) it does not set the values of such characteristics only if certain conditions are met. [CompRules 2009/07/08

So, when you imprint Triskellion on Mimeoplasm and get the counters from Lord of Extinction, Lord of Extinction while in the graveyard has P/T = number of cards in all graveyards, and when he is imprinted for the +1/+1 counters, you'd get his current p/t.

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In an EDH deck are you allowed to have a copy of someone else's general? That is, I know a friend of mine has Tolsimir Wolfsblood for his general, am I then allowed to include him in my maindeck as well?

And should both come into play is it more popular to apply the 'legend rule' or have the non-general copy perish, leaving the general still on the field?

Cheers for the answer;
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Originally posted by keywacat:
I do not remember seeing this in the EDH rules, so apologies if my question is obvious...

In an EDH deck are you allowed to have a copy of someone else's general? That is, I know a friend of mine has Tolsimir Wolfsblood for his general, am I then allowed to include him in my maindeck as well?

And should both come into play is it more popular to apply the 'legend rule' or have the non-general copy perish, leaving the general still on the field?

Cheers for the answer;
keywacat

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This used to be different, but now the general is treated like any other legendary creature while in play (obviously when it would go to a graveyard or exile it's different, but for legend rule purposes it's just another legendary creature).

Likewise, I believe there was a kind of "league" restriction in the early days of EDH where your general was reserved and couldn't be used as a general by other players, and that might have extended to even not allowing the card in the 99, but I think it was just that generals were unique as generals.

Those restrictions are generally no longer followed, and are not supported by the official Commander rules, for good reason as the player-base expanded, who wants to tell someone who's trying to pick up the format that they need to build a new deck because player B has had that general for longer? Obviously house rules can change this.

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Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-:
I have tried Grafted Exoskeleton and was not impressed. Most of the time it is going to take two swings and with nothing to back it up you actually are out damage if it is dealt with before it is killed.

Triumph of the Hordes is the best way i have found use infect in a non infect deck. As long as you do not get greedy you should always be able to kill a player

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Originally posted by Havoc Demon:
So with one slot in the deck, do I keep Dread or switch it for No Mercy or Vengeful Pharoah?

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certainly not the pharoah, its terrible.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
certainly not the pharoah, its terrible.

If the effect works well in your play group (and you have to choose just 1), I'd say the no mercy because it is typically more difficult to remove and doesn't die as a result of a wrath not intended to kill it.

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By mid-game, despite having a huge mana advantage, that player is at too low a life total to survive. Then complains about how everybody was attacking him "while he was doing nothing and that it's not fun."

Commanders:
1 x The Mimeoplasm
1 x Damia, Sage of Stone
1 x Vorosh, the Hunter

Creatures:
1 x Nezumi Graverobber
1 x Skullbriar, the Walking Grave
1 x Riddlekeeper
1 x Fleshbag Marauder
1 x Eternal Witness
1 x Troll Ascetic
1 x Yavimaya Elder
1 x Solemn Simulacrum
1 x Brawn
1 x Wonder
1 x Sewer Nemesis
1 x Gravedigger
1 x Lhurgoyf
1 x Dreamborn Muse
1 x Mortivore
1 x Desecrator Hag
1 x Mulldrifter
1 x Acidic Slime
1 x Vulturous Zombie
1 x Dark Hatchling
1 x Extractor Demon
1 x Scythe Spector
1 x Wrexial, the Risen Deep
1 x Vorosh, the Hunter
1 x Triskelavus
1 x Slipstream Eel
1 x Butcher of Malakir
1 x Patron of the Nezumi
1 x Szadek, Lord of Secrets
1 x Avatar of Woe
1 x Artisan of Kozilek

Artifacts:
1 x Sol Ring
1 x Dimir Signet
1 x Golgari Signet
1 x Lightning Greaves
1 x Simic Signet
1 x Oblivion Stone

Enchantments:
1 x Vow of Wildness
1 x Vow of Flight
1 x Vow of Malice
1 x Memory Erosion
1 x Grave Pact

Instants:
1 x Tribute to the Wild
1 x Spell Crumple
1 x Fact or Fiction
1 x Relic Crush

Sorceries:
1 x Minds Aglow
1 x Shared Trauma
1 x Sign in Blood
1 x Stitch Together
1 x Cultivate
1 x Windfall
1 x Buried Alive
1 x Syphon Mind
1 x Unnerve
1 x Rise from the Grave
1 x Syphon Flesh
1 x Living Death

Lands:
1 x Barren Moor
1 x Command Tower
1 x Dimir Aqueduct
1 x Dreadship Reef
1 x Golgari Rot Farm
1 x Jwar Isle Refuge
1 x Lonely Sandbar
1 x Rupture Spire
1 x Simic Growth Chamber

1 x Svogthos, the Restless Tomb
1 x Temple of the False God
1 x Terramorphic Expanse
1 x Tranquil Thicket
8 x Forest
8 x Island
11 x Swamp

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Originally posted by rockondon:
I just bought my first EDH deck off ebay a few min ago - the BUG one. I'll probably revise the heck out of it before I play it. Any suggestions?

DECKLIST

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Don, add Bloodchief Ascension, Lord of Extinction, and Bonehoard. Also Greater Good. And Consecrated Sphinx, because it's an autoinclude for any edh deck with blue.

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Originally posted by stab107:
The first four are great suggestions but I would personally hold off on adding a Consecrated Sphinx. You just need to play it or see it played in one game where it gets cloned to see how out of control it can really get.

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I'm surprised no one suggested survival of the fittest. That should be insane for this deck - putting brawn and wonder and mimeoplasm targets in the grave while fetching your best creatures.
And what about black staples like demonic tutor, vampiric tutor, and yawgmoth's will? I would suspect tutor cards would be particularly useful so perhaps Liliana Vess too. And how about blue card draw and search cards like impulse, brainstorm, thirst for knowledge, and preordain? Considering the general, windfall should be good too. And maelstrom pulse would be great removal. Nice green cards might include wall of blossoms, bird of paradise, and perhaps more land-fetching sorceries. And maybe toss in memnarch, for basic awesomeness, and perhaps more artifact mana.
Thoughts?

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Originally posted by rockondon:
If someone cloned it, wouldn't that quickly kill both players?
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It's may, not must, so they can stop their end of the chain whenever they are comfortable. In most cases, people draw ~40 cards before stopping.