Coat of Arms gives a +1/+1 bonus to a given creature for each other creature who -shares a type- with it.

If it shares more than 1 type, they don't stack,

So two Goblin Shaman each only give +1/+1 to each other.

So with

2 Human Clerics, 3 Human Rebels, 2 Human Soldiers, 1 Bird Soldier, 3 Bird Tokens, 1 Bird Wizard, 2 Human Wizards.
all 1/1s

The Human Clerics each see 8 other humans and no non-human clerics, so they get 8/8 and are 9/9s

The Human Rebels each see 8 other humans, and no non-human Rebels, so they get 8/8 and are 9/9s

The Human Soldiers see 8 other humans, and 1 non-human soldier, so they get 9/9 and are 10/10s

The Bird Soldier sees 4 other birds, and 2 non-bird Soldiers, so they get 6/6 and are 7/7s

The Bird Tokens each see 4 other birds so they get 4/4 and are 5/5s

The Bird Wizard sees 4 other birds, and 2 non-bird Wizards, so they get 6/6 and are 7/7s

Copys are put directly onto the stack, they arent cast. Because you arent casting it, you dont have to pay additional costs.

So you only sacrifice one artifact, but you get 6 goblin tokens.

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Basically the confusion was based off of "what happens first"
when:

Both players control permanents that trigger "at the beginning of each players upkeep". How do yo choose which effect takes place first?

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Originally posted by djcards:
I was having a conversation with a fellow magic player, who played from alliances to Around Masques. We were talking about some interactions regarding upkeep timing and different "parts" of the upkeep phase.

Basically the confusion was based off of "what happens first"
when:

Both players control permanents that trigger "at the beginning of each players upkeep". How do yo choose which effect takes place first?

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In a multiplayer EDH game, if you donate a Transcendence with Zedruu and that player has more than 20 life, do they lose as a SBE and then you get the Transcendence back?

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Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
If you put a double-sided creature on mimic vat, it is always the front side (with mana cost), regardless of whether it's flipped or not.

If you have 20 or more life, the Transcendence trigger goes on the stack for you first, then even if you donate it the new player can't have the trigger go off unless yours has resolved. However, if you have less than 20 then you donate it to them, the trigger goes off and they lose, then you get it back.

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So, wait, with enough mana and permanents you can kill an entire table in one turn?

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Tokens are permanents. They are usually creatures.
They will trigger effects that are looking for them to go to the graveyard.

But they are NOT cards, so Bloodchief Ascension is not looking at them and will not trigger if they go to the graveyard.

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Originally posted by Sovarius:
The answer is on the card. "If a land is tapped for mana, it produces {B} instead of any other type and amount."

It does not change just because you are playing commander, and there is no special color deck that makes it's lands immune to this card. If you a tap an island it "produces {B} instead of any other type and amount."

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Except commander has different rules. From the commander FAQ on wotc:

* During the game, if mana would be added to your mana pool that isn't a color in your commander's color identity, that much colorless mana is added to your mana pool instead.

So if your general is mono blue, and they play contamination, your lands now all get to make colorless instead of anything. Sorry.

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Originally posted by Myy:
APNAP, Active player (who's turn it is) must choose first, then the non active player (who's turn it's not) chooses.

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Originally posted by orcishartillery:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Myy:
APNAP, Active player (who's turn it is) must choose first, then the non active player (who's turn it's not) chooses.

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Nevermind, thats what you said...so ok.

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Originally posted by djcards:
Nevermind, thats what you said...so ok.

Isnt the stack "last in first out"... Meaning the abilities that go onto the stack first get executed after both players pass priority.

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I'll combine both our answer to complete it.

When multiple triggered abilities are being put on the stack at the same time, the active player's abilities are put on the stack first( if the active player control various abilites that trigger at that same time, then he/she will choose the order in which they go On the stack), then the non-active player's abilites will be put on the stack ( again, if she/he control multiples, he/she will be able to choose in which order they go on to the stack).
The Stack is LIFO, and since the Active player's abilites were put first, they will resolve last. This means that the non-active player's abilities resolve first since they we put there last.

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Originally posted by Malice327:
Is it possible for an attacking player to respond and kill a man land if it is activated in response to the declare blockers step BEFORE it is declared as a blocker?

Example: player A attacks with a 20/1 with no abilities. Player B in response to the declare blockers step (after player a chooses not to respond and passes priority ) activates his mutavault. Player A passes priority with the mutavault ability on the stack and it resolves turning mutavault into a creature. Is there anyway player A can bolt the mutavault without the vault having an opportunity to be declared as a blocker?

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Beginning of Combat Step
Declare Attackers Step
Declare Blockers Step
Combat Damage Step
End of Combat Step

these are the steps in the combat phase. Once we are in the beginning of combat step, active player (AP) and non-active player (NAP) but both pass priority to move to the next step. Once both players pass priority the first thing done is declaring attackers, before either player gains priority, so attackers are declared, then AP gains priority. In your scenario AP would then pass priority to NAP who would place mutavault's ability on the stack and pass priority. AP would pass back and this would allow mutavault to turn into a creature. AP then has priority and if he wanted to play lightning bolt this is where that would have to be done. Assuming AP passes and does not lightning bolt mutavault at this time, the NAP would simply pass priority and you would move into Declare Blockers Step where the first thing done is to declare blockers before either player gains priority.

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Originally posted by Malice327:
Is it possible for an attacking player to respond and kill a man land if it is activated in response to the declare blockers step BEFORE it is declared as a blocker?

Example: player A attacks with a 20/1 with no abilities. Player B in response to the declare blockers step (after player a chooses not to respond and passes priority ) activates his mutavault. Player A passes priority with the mutavault ability on the stack and it resolves turning mutavault into a creature. Is there anyway player A can bolt the mutavault without the vault having an opportunity to be declared as a blocker?

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The first thing that happens in the Declare Blockers step is all blockers are declared simultaneously. Neither player has priority, so neither player can do anything other than pay any necessary costs. This means that if the defending player wants to block with an animated Mutavault, it will need to be activated before moving to the Declare Blockers step. The game will not move forward from one step to the next step until all players pass priority on an empty stack. This means that every player will get at least one chance to act after the Mutavault has been activated before moving on to declaring blockers.

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Originally posted by WestWycke:
caquaa has it correct. djcards does not.

The first thing that happens in the Declare Blockers step is all blockers are declared simultaneously. Neither player has priority, so neither player can do anything other than pay any necessary costs. This means that if the defending player wants to block with an animated Mutavault, it will need to be activated before moving to the Declare Blockers step. The game will not move forward from one step to the next step until all players pass priority on an empty stack. This means that every player will get at least one chance to act after the Mutavault has been activated before moving on to declaring blockers.

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Originally posted by djcards:
So this means that you cannot do anything instant speed during the declare blockers step before blockers are declared. Does this also mean you cannot do anything instant speed during the untap phase before untapping, or during the draw phase, before drawing?

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