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JackSpade Member	posted September 15, 2011 08:13 AM My opponent casts Dream Halls, I respond by playing cancel, he responds by playing Commandeer. Can he make my cancel target itself? Or is dream Halls the only legal target? Thanks for your help.
yakusoku Member	posted September 15, 2011 08:51 AM quote: Can he make my cancel target itself? A spell itself can never be its own target. quote: Or is dream Halls the only legal target? It is not. What he can do is gain control of Cancel and change the target to Commandeer. While Commandeer is resolving, it is still on the stack and is a legal target for Cancel. The very LAST part of resolving is to remove it from the stack (and usually putting it in its owner's graveyard). Commandeer will resolve, changing the target of Cancel to Commandeer. Cancel is will no longer have a legal target when it tries to resolve, so it will be countered, then his Dream Halls will resolve and be put onto the Battlefield.
choco man Member	posted September 16, 2011 03:12 AM If I use Dralnu to target Exsanguinate in my graveyard, can I pay for X or does X have to be zero?
Kyzneg Member	posted September 16, 2011 03:39 AM quote: Originally posted by choco man: If I use Dralnu to target Exsanguinate in my graveyard, can I pay for X or does X have to be zero? Dralnu gives the card a flashback cost equal to its mana cost (note that it isn't converted mana cost), so Exsanguinate would have Flashback {X}{B}{B}, and you can pay whatever you want for X. Snapcaster Mage works the same way, so both cards allow you to flashback X spells, while not allowing you to flashback the suspend-only spells from Time Spiral Block (Living End, Hypergenesis, Ancestral Vision, etc.)
Crash21 Member	posted September 16, 2011 06:17 AM Just a quick verification - if you have Halima Excavator on the field, and you kick a Rite of Replication targeting it, how many cards does it mill?
Devonin Member	posted September 16, 2011 06:26 AM They all see each other enter the battlefiel, and at the time each one enters, they see 6. So each one actually sees 5 instances of "Another ally enters the battlefield" at a time where there are 6 allies, so you get 30 mills per Excavator, 180 cards total [Edited 1 times, lastly by Devonin on September 16, 2011]
Crash21 Member	posted September 16, 2011 07:34 AM Thanks That's what I thought, just wanted to be sure before I took the cards to an EDH tournament on Sunday.
Devonin Member	posted September 17, 2011 07:04 PM There really aren't allies that don't get pretty good by being rite'd with kicker.
Phyrexian Angel Member	posted September 18, 2011 01:28 AM Not sure is this the right place for my question, but I would like to see if somebody could give me an answer. I won a GPT recently and got 3 byes. Can I play in another GPT for the same GP? What will happen if I win again? (I know I can't do this after winning a PTQ, but I am not sure about GPT.) Thanks.
caquaa Member	posted September 18, 2011 01:32 AM http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=grandprix/trials you can play in them
CubFan81 Member	posted September 18, 2011 09:54 AM quote: Originally posted by Phyrexian Angel: Not sure is this the right place for my question, but I would like to see if somebody could give me an answer. I won a GPT recently and got 3 byes. Can I play in another GPT for the same GP? What will happen if I win again? (I know I can't do this after winning a PTQ, but I am not sure about GPT.) Thanks. Since 3 byes is the max there's nothing to gain by winning except the Planeswalker Points. If you're in the finals, it wouldn't be terrible to scoop to your opponent to give him the byes. __________________ PMs don't work in Chrome or Firefox 4.0+, see HERE for work arounds.
edsillars Member	posted September 18, 2011 11:57 AM I remember reading something lately about a rules change for tokens. Are token creatures still owned by they player who owned the card or effect that created them? Or are they owned now by the player under whose control they entered the battlefield? As in Varchild's War Riders or Forbidden Orchard and Brand or Homeward Path.
iccarus Member	posted September 18, 2011 12:07 PM quote: Originally posted by edsillars: I remember reading something lately about a rules change for tokens. Are token creatures still owned by they player who owned the card or effect that created them? Or are they owned now by the player under whose control they entered the battlefield? As in Varchild's War Riders or Forbidden Orchard and Brand or Homeward Path. Tokens are owned by the person who controlled them when they entered the battlefield. So in the case of something like Forbidden Orchard or the Hunted cycle from Ravnica, your opponent will own the tokens. __________________ Wisconsin - smells like dairy air! I collect Granite Gargoyles. Send them my way.
-Lunch_Box- Member	posted September 20, 2011 01:10 PM Have they addressed the sleeve issues that double face cards will present in the upcoming PR? I know in the past a lot of random people show up to these and dont even bother to use sleeves at all and some sleeves you can just see through anyways.
caquaa Member	posted September 20, 2011 01:20 PM quote: Originally posted by -Lunch_Box-: Have they addressed the sleeve issues that double face cards will present in the upcoming PR? I know in the past a lot of random people show up to these and dont even bother to use sleeves at all and some sleeves you can just see through anyways. you need to use opaque sleeves (not semi-transparent) or use the check list. If you can see through your sleeves, you should be using a checklist.
fluffycow Member	posted September 20, 2011 03:00 PM If I clone a vesuvian shapeshifter and I turn it face down, does he still have the morph ability?
caquaa Member	posted September 21, 2011 01:18 AM quote: Originally posted by fluffycow: If I clone a vesuvian shapeshifter and I turn it face down, does he still have the morph ability? the reason we link cards... 9/25/2006 If another creature copies Vesuvan Shapeshifter while it's face up, the new creature will become a copy of whatever Vesuvan Shapeshifter is copying and gain the "you may turn this creature face down" ability. It won't gain morph {1}{U}. If that creature is then turned face down, its copy effect will continue and it'll be a face-down version of whatever it's copying. If the creature it's copying has morph, it can be turned face up. If the creature it's copying doesn't have morph, it's stuck face down forever unless some other effect (like Break Open) turns it face up again.
fluffycow Member	posted September 21, 2011 06:26 AM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: the reason we link cards... 9/25/2006 If another creature copies Vesuvan Shapeshifter while it's face up, the new creature will become a copy of whatever Vesuvan Shapeshifter is copying and gain the "you may turn this creature face down" ability. It won't gain morph {1}{U}. If that creature is then turned face down, its copy effect will continue and it'll be a face-down version of whatever it's copying. If the creature it's copying has morph, it can be turned face up. If the creature it's copying doesn't have morph, it's stuck face down forever unless some other effect (like Break Open) turns it face up again. Well that's a stupid ruling
Skwirlnutz Member	posted September 21, 2011 11:10 AM So with the new keyword "dies" would something like the new card Pitchburn Devils work in Kiki-Jiki EDH? Say I copy the original with Kiki does the token basically "die" at the end of turn or if I sac him to something?
WCFmo Member	posted September 21, 2011 11:59 AM Quick question - can you use a checklist in sleeves, and have the actual double face cards in penny sleeves somewhere else? This would be ideal as you don't have to keep fussing with taking the card out of the sleeve all the time - but based upon everything I've heard, it's either sleeve the DFC or use a checklist for non-sleeved cards. Thanks in advance. __________________ <Liq> you just can't expect a sig worthy line to appear out of nowhere on demand <stacker> i dont hang out with the patients afterwards, we got nurses for that "Basically, if you ever find yourself daisy-chaining multiple dongles together, you must be doing pretty well in life."
Meddling Pimp Member	posted September 21, 2011 12:57 PM quote: Originally posted by WCFmo: Quick question - can you use a checklist in sleeves, and have the actual double face cards in penny sleeves somewhere else? This would be ideal as you don't have to keep fussing with taking the card out of the sleeve all the time - but based upon everything I've heard, it's either sleeve the DFC or use a checklist for non-sleeved cards. Thanks in advance. Yes, you can use a checklist in sleeves.
Meddling Pimp Member	posted September 21, 2011 01:00 PM quote: Originally posted by Skwirlnutz: So with the new keyword "dies" would something like the new card Pitchburn Devils work in Kiki-Jiki EDH? Say I copy the original with Kiki does the token basically "die" at the end of turn or if I sac him to something? 700.6. The term dies means “is put into a graveyard from the battlefield.” It is used only when referring to creatures. The sacrificed token will trigger the Dies ability.
helpmehelpyou Member	posted September 21, 2011 05:39 PM Nevermore 1ww Enchantment Rare As Nevermore enters the battlefield, name a nonland card. The named card can't be cast. how does this work with cards that force a card to be cast? say omen machine..
Zakman86 Member	posted September 21, 2011 06:02 PM Omen Machine specifically says "if able". There's no odd interaction between the 2.
helpmehelpyou Member	posted September 22, 2011 12:12 AM quote: Originally posted by Zakman86: Omen Machine specifically says "if able". There's no odd interaction between the 2. so if its not able.. does the card go to the graveyard? get exiled? stay on top the library unable to get played?

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