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Following from that, clones also have the mana cost of whatever they copy.

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Originally posted by Kryne:
Can I fork an opponent's Genesis Wave and target myself? The only thing giving me pause is that G-wave doesn't say "target player" or similar.

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Originally posted by iccarus:
A friend wants to used Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Confusion in the Ranks, thinking the tokens would be destroyed end of turn. I don't think this works though because you can't sacrifice something you no longer control...right?

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If I have 2x Parallel Lives in play and attack with a Hero of Bladeholm, do I get 6 or 8 tokens?

I think that you would get 8 and my friend believes it is only 6... I totally want to be right!!

One is x2, Two is x4, then x8, then x16 and so on.

Two Parallel Lives and a Hero of Bladehold makes 2->4->8 tokens.

The long answer is that Parallel Lives is a replacement effect. It triggers upon seeing "Put a token onto the battlefield under your control" and says "Oh look, tokens, better count them and double the number."

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
You can't sacrifice something you don't own; this is correct.

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While this is how it works, and your opponents would get to keep the tokens permanantly, it -could- have been done in the way your friend is thinking, if Kiki-Jiki had made tokens that -had- "Sacrifice this at the beginning of the enxt end step" on them as an ability.

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Originally posted by Zakman86:
You can't sacrifice something you don't own; this is correct.

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Cmon zak, you're a judge, you know how the words 'control' and 'own' are not the same. If i mind control a viscera seer, i dont own it, but i can certainly sacrifice it.

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Originally posted by Phyrexian Angel:
Weird questions for you guys:

Can TO plays in their own tournaments?
If not, where can I find the source of documents?

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maybe.

http://www.wizards.com/ContentResources/Wizards/WPN/Main/Documents/Magic_The_Gathering_Tournament_Rules_PDF2.pdf

I have the following in play:

Mentor of the Meek
Honor of the Pure x2

I then cast Champion of the Parrish. Would he trigger the Mentor's card drawing ability or would the Honor of the Pure's adds happen first, taking the Champion's power over 2?

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Originally posted by Ncromonitor:
If you enchant Essence of the Wild with Elemental Mastery and activate it, do the Essence-copy tokens have haste, or does copying Essence override the effect that gives them haste?

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Follow-up question:

Would the the tokens have to be sacrificed at end of turn?

I may have a new casual combo to fart around with

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Originally posted by Ncromonitor:
If you enchant Essence of the Wild with Elemental Mastery and activate it, do the Essence-copy tokens have haste, or does copying Essence override the effect that gives them haste?

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Copying Essence overrides the haste. However, it doesn't override the Exile at EOT. That's part of Elemental Mastery's ability and not on the creature itself.

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Originally posted by thror:
Cmon zak, you're a judge, you know how the words 'control' and 'own' are not the same. If i mind control a viscera seer, i dont own it, but i can certainly sacrifice it.

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Originally posted by Ncromonitor:
If you enchant Essence of the Wild with Elemental Mastery and activate it, do the Essence-copy tokens have haste, or does copying Essence override the effect that gives them haste?

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Originally posted by Bugger:
Follow-up question:

Would the the tokens have to be sacrificed at end of turn?

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They will not have haste. As you suggested, copying Essence overrides them. You will, however, still have to sacrifice them. It is worded such that saccing them is part of the effect, not an ability of the 1/1 critters. If it was worded like, "Put a 1/1 creature token with haste into play with the ability, 'sacrifice this creature at end of turn.'," then you would get out of it.

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Originally posted by Devonin:

You attack with Hero, and say "Put the two tokens ability onto the stack" and both Parallel Lives triggers happen. The first one to resolve says "Count the tokens. There's two, replace this with an effect adding four instead" and then the Second Parallel Lives says "Count the Tokens. There's four, replace this with an effect adding eight."

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Basically in what order does the damage and ability resolve?

TL;DR - he's dead.

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Originally posted by thror:
Hellspark deals 2 to finks and 1 to your opponent. State based actions see a 3/2 with 2 damage, and an opponent with zero life. Finks go to graveyard, opponent loses the game at the same time. Finks dont trigger, because the opponent lost the game, and everything he owns goes away (all cards and any abilities on the stack)

TL;DR - he's dead.

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Haha that's what I thought but as I'm reading the rules I keep confusing myself and just want someone to agree with me

Here's what I found in the 75 page pdf of the rules (talk about tl;dr):

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104.3b If a player‘s life total is 0 or less, he or she loses the game the next time a player would
receive priority.
510.2. Second, all combat damage that‘s been assigned is dealt simultaneously. This turn-based action
doesn‘t use the stack. No player has the chance to cast spells or activate abilities between the time
combat damage is assigned and the time it‘s dealt.
510.3. Third, any abilities that triggered on damage being assigned or dealt go on the stack.
510.4. Fourth, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.

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Originally posted by bmalachek:
So TECHNICALLY I assign 2 damage to the Finks and 1 to him and it all resolves instantly but the game isn't over quite yet because I have to get priority first. The Finks ability is triggered by it going to the graveyard but the life gain goes onto the stack and then I get priority to do stuff in response to the ability being on the stack but because I got priority I win because he's at 0.

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This is not technically correct. State-based effects are checked any time a player would receive priority, before that player receives it. Because your opponent is at 0, you won't actually get priority.

edit: Also, Kitchen Finks' ability will not go on the stack, because SBEs are checked before a triggered ability is placed on the stack.

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116.5. Each time a player would get priority, the game first performs all applicable state-based actions 
as a single event (see rule 704, “State-Based Actions”), then repeats this process until no state-based 
actions are performed. Then triggered abilities are put on the stack (see rule 603, “Handling Triggered 
Abilities”). These steps repeat in order until no further state-based actions are performed and no 
abilities trigger. Then the player who would have received priority does so.

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