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Topic: Rulings and Questions: Part 49
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Bugger Member
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posted August 02, 2011 08:53 AM

Suppose I have Leyline of the Void in play and my opponent discards emrakul. What happens? __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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Kyosukee Member
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posted August 02, 2011 08:57 AM

quote: Originally posted by Bugger: Suppose I have Leyline of the Void in play and my opponent discards emrakul. What happens?
I blieve Leyline creates a replacement effect, so the emrakul never hits a graveyard.
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yakusoku Member
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posted August 02, 2011 08:57 AM

Leyline of the Void's ability is a replacement ability that prevent Emrakul from ever triggering, so it will be exiled instead of going to the graveyard and not trigger its ability.quote: Gatherer rulings:
Leyline of the Void's second ability prevents cards from ever reaching your opponents' graveyards. Abilities that would trigger when those cards are put into an opponent's graveyard (such as Hoarding Dragon's last ability) won't trigger.
__________________ There are two rules for success: 1. Don't tell all you know.
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southparker2002 Member
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posted August 02, 2011 09:39 AM
  
If I have a Coat of Arms out and say I have 2 creatures. 1 is a Human Knight and the other is a Human Soldier. Do they still get +1/+1 for the Human part or no?
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted August 02, 2011 10:26 AM

quote: Originally posted by southparker2002: If I have a Coat of Arms out and say I have 2 creatures. 1 is a Human Knight and the other is a Human Soldier. Do they still get +1/+1 for the Human part or no?
Yes. As long as they share one creature type, they get the benefit. (Creature types are one word, so each of those creatures has two creature types)
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yakusoku Member
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posted August 02, 2011 10:28 AM

Yes. The two creatures do not need to share ALL creature types, they just need to share at least one creature type. quote: Gatherer rulings:
If a creature has more than one creature type, and one of those types matches the creature you are calculating for, then count that creature. Only one type needs to match in order to get counted. If you have a creature with more than one creature type, count all creatures which have either creature type.
__________________ There are two rules for success: 1. Don't tell all you know.
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southparker2002 Member
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posted August 02, 2011 11:04 AM
  
so then if I have 2x Human Kights on the field, they each get +2/+2?
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yakusoku Member
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posted August 02, 2011 11:24 AM

No.quote: Gatherer ruling:
Sharing multiple creature types doesn't give an additional bonus. Coat of Arms counts creatures, not creature types.
For each creature, you compare it with each other creature and see if it shares at least one creature type. If it does, then it gets a bonus. The previous rulings are to account for a situation like this: You control two Human Knight creatures, a Human Soldier, and a Spirit Knight. Your Human Knight shares a creature type (human) with the second creature, so gets +1/+1. It also shares a creature type (knight) with the third creature, so it gets another +1/+1. It also gets a bonus for sharing at least one creature type (actually two - human and knight) with the Human Knight, so gets another +1/+1. It gets a total of +3/+3, because it shares a creature type with three different creatures, but it doesn't need to share the same creature type. Think of it like high school clubs. You might be in the Spanish club and the chess club, and if one if you have three friends, one in the Spanish club, one in the chess club, and one in both, you say that you have three friends who share clubs with you. You don't get to "double up" on the third friend who is in two clubs and say that you have two friends in the Spanish club and two in the chess club for a total of four friends. For each of your friends, you simply ask, "Is s/he in a club with me? If so, then count that friend as a friend who shares a club." __________________ There are two rules for success: 1. Don't tell all you know.
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thror Member
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posted August 02, 2011 11:24 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by southparker2002: so then if I have 2x Human Kights on the field, they each get +2/+2?
No. From the rulings in gatherer: 10/1/2009 Sharing multiple creature types doesn't give an additional bonus. Coat of Arms counts creatures, not creature types. __________________ "He fights you not because you have wronged him, but because you are there."[16:17] <@BrassMan> what do you need new tech for? [16:18] <@BrassMan> gush is unrestricted [19:01] <nderEvo> you can delete yourself
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Undomian Member
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posted August 02, 2011 09:51 PM

I'm fairly sure the answer to this question is no, but if I Transmute Artifact for Spine of Ish Sah and choose not to pay the difference, does the spine hit the battlefield, thereby destroying a permanent and returning to my hand?
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SageShadows Member
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posted August 02, 2011 09:57 PM

quote: Originally posted by Undomian: I'm fairly sure the answer to this question is no, but if I Transmute Artifact for Spine of Ish Sah and choose not to pay the difference, does the spine hit the battlefield, thereby destroying a permanent and returning to my hand?
Never hits the battlefield. Won't work.
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rockondon Member
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posted August 04, 2011 09:48 AM
  
here's a quick simple question. In EDH, if I have a monoblue general, can I cast split color spells such as shielding plax? Edit: another noob question. Lets say my opponent has Zur as his general and is loaded up with enchantments that prevent it from being targeted. Could I clone it with phyrexian metamorph and kill it via the legend rule? __________________ |My Angels~My P9 l""|"\__, |~~My #1 Angel~~l'_|'_|_|) |(@)(@)""***|(@)(@)**|(@)
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted August 04, 2011 10:24 AM

quote: Originally posted by rockondon: here's a quick simple question. In EDH, if I have a monoblue general, can I cast split color spells such as shielding plax?
Its color identity is also green, so it cannot be included in your mono-blue general deck. quote:
Edit: another noob question. Lets say my opponent has Zur as his general and is loaded up with enchantments that prevent it from being targeted. Could I clone it with phyrexian metamorph and kill it via the legend rule?
Yes. Neither of those target.
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mchainmail Member
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posted August 04, 2011 10:29 AM

quote: Originally posted by rockondon: here's a quick simple question. In EDH, if I have a monoblue general, can I cast split color spells such as shielding plax? Edit: another noob question. Lets say my opponent has Zur as his general and is loaded up with enchantments that prevent it from being targeted. Could I clone it with phyrexian metamorph and kill it via the legend rule?
No, your general must be both colors to play with a hybrid card. Yes, Clone / Phyrexian Metamorph do not target.
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Pyrenus Member
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posted August 05, 2011 08:56 AM

I have a mimic vat and I destroy an inkmoth nexus that has been turned into a creature. Can I copy the inkmoth, and what happens when I put a copy into play? Do I have to pay the 1?
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Kryne Member
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posted August 05, 2011 09:18 AM

Does No Mercy kill creatures that deal damage to my planeswalkers? Or does that count as "redirected"?
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Meddling Pimp Member
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posted August 05, 2011 09:23 AM

quote: Originally posted by Pyrenus: I have a mimic vat and I destroy an inkmoth nexus that has been turned into a creature. Can I copy the inkmoth, and what happens when I put a copy into play? Do I have to pay the 1?
Yes. You will have an unanimated Inkmoth. You have to pay 1 to turn it into a creature. quote: Originally posted by Kryne: Does No Mercy kill creatures that deal damage to my planeswalkers? Or does that count as "redirected"?
It's not redirected, but neither did the creature damage you. No Mercy will not trigger.
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gcowhsu Member
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posted August 05, 2011 02:23 PM
  
quote: Originally posted by Kryne: Does No Mercy kill creatures that deal damage to my planeswalkers? Or does that count as "redirected"?
no look at the wording for vengeful pharaoh since planeswalkers did not exist when No Mercy was printed.
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airwalk Member
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posted August 05, 2011 03:53 PM

I'm new to EDH so forgive the dumb question:When a commander dies, does it count as going to the graveyard or is that completely replaced by the command zone? My opponent has Kresh and he kills my general, does he get counters basically?
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Heresy19 Member
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posted August 05, 2011 08:03 PM
  
Okay, I'm tired of that ''know-it-all'' at the LGS...I play Vintage WGD deck... my opponent's gonna kill me the next turn and I don't wanna lose to I do what I always do: Infinite loop. There's no other creature card in any of our graveyards, only WGD, so my animate dead/dance of the dead will trigger the dragon on and on and on an infinite amount of time, making it a draw. Is this still viable (a level 2 judge told me I could do that some years ago) or has the rules changed?
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Liq Member
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posted August 05, 2011 11:16 PM
  
Player A plays a Forked Bolt choosing the Spellkite and an Elite Vanguard. Can Player B pay 2 life to have Spellskite be the target again?__________________ <Jazaray> LIQ! <Jazaray> you broke MOTL <Liq> totally <BoltBait> Don't make me kick you <Slinga> Have no fear, MOTL's janitor is here! <nderdog> So we're all agreed, it's Liq's fault, right? <Leshrac> let me deal with that * Liq has been banned
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Kyzneg Member
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posted August 05, 2011 11:26 PM

quote: Originally posted by Liq: Player A plays a Forked Bolt choosing the Spellkite and an Elite Vanguard. Can Player B pay 2 life to have Spellskite be the target again?
Nope, see rule 114.3 in the Comprehensive Rules: quote: Originally posted by Comprehensive Rules #114.3: The same target can't be chosen multiple times for any one instance of the word "target" on a spell or ability.
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caquaa Member
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posted August 06, 2011 12:27 AM
  
quote: Originally posted by airwalk:
When a commander dies, does it count as going to the graveyard or is that completely replaced by the command zone?
it is a replacement effect: If a Commander would be put into a graveyard or exile from anywhere, its owner may choose to move it to the command zone instead. The card never touches the graveyard. Going to the graveyard is replaced by going to the command zone instead. quote: Originally posted by Heresy19: There's no other creature card in any of our graveyards, only WGD, so my animate dead/dance of the dead will trigger the dragon on and on and on an infinite amount of time, making it a draw.
since the loop contains only mandatory actions (Necromancy removed, WGD dies, Necromancy comes back enchanting WGD, none are optional), then the game ends in a draw. 715.4. If a loop contains only mandatory actions, the game is a draw. (See rules 104.4b and 104.4f.) If there are any other creatures in the graveyards then you set a number, shortcut the loop X amount of times, then you must choose a different option then WGD for your reanimate enchantment.
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rockondon Member
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posted August 06, 2011 09:53 AM
  
I'm building an arcum dagsson EDH deck. If I use arcum to tinker away a creature for rings of brighthearth, can I pay 2 mana to copy arcum's ability, sacking a creature for basalt monolith, then create infinite mana with the basalt/brighthearth? I'm thinkin that I have to have the rings of brighthearth in play already when I use arcum's ability but just wanted to make sure.
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Bugger Member
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posted August 06, 2011 09:58 AM

quote: Originally posted by rockondon: I'm building an arcum dagsson EDH deck. If I use arcum to tinker away a creature for rings of brighthearth, can I pay 2 mana to copy arcum's ability, sacking a creature for basalt monolith, then create infinite mana with the basalt/brighthearth? I'm thinkin that I have to have the rings of brighthearth in play already when I use arcum's ability but just wanted to make sure.
Rings can't copy mana abilities, so I'm not sure how you intend to go infinite... __________________ "I never got any respect at all. My family moved a lot when I was a kid, but I always found them." -- Rodney Dangerfield
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