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Originally posted by choco man:
If I want to use a direct damage spell to lower the loyalty of a planeswalker, do I target the opponent or the planeswalker?

If I target the player, do cards that prevent damage to a player prevent the damage to a planeswalker?

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Planeswalkers are neither players nor creatures, so they can not be targeted directly by spells such as Lightning Bolt, et.al. What you would do in this case is target the player that controls the planeswalker, then as the damage is dealt, the redirection effect is applied and you choose whether or not to redirect the damage:

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If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source an opponent controls, that opponent may choose to have that damage dealt to a planeswalker controlled by the first player instead.

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If there's also a damage-prevention effect in the mix, then the affected player (the one to whom the damage would be dealt) chooses one effect and applies it. Then the event is re-checked for applicable effects:

-If they choose to apply the damage-prevention effect first, then the damage will be prevented, and since damage is no longer being dealt (assuming all of the damage is prevented this way and not just some of it) then the redirection effect does not apply. No damage is dealt to the player or the planeswalker.

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Originally posted by dwiz:
One of the judges had to draft at nationals for a player who went missing. Obviously the guy was dropped, but does the judge draft for real, even though the cards aren't going to be used, or does he pass good things along?

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it should be random. from the tournament rules.

1) Can you Stifle the Modular trigger on an Arcbound Ravager when it comes into play? If so, does that mean it would not get the counters and be a 0/0 creature?

2) When do you pick the creature that you want Phantasmal Image to be a copy of? And when does Vengevine return to play?

ie: On an empty board with Vengevine in the graveyard I cast Birds of Paradise and then Phantasmal Image. Can I stack it so that the Vengevine comes back onto the battlefield and then the Phantasmal Image enters as a copy of it?

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Originally posted by CubFan81:
Couple quick ones...

1) Can you Stifle the Modular trigger on an Arcbound Ravager when it comes into play? If so, does that mean it would not get the counters and be a 0/0 creature?

2) When do you pick the creature that you want Phantasmal Image to be a copy of? And when does Vengevine return to play?

ie: On an empty board with Vengevine in the graveyard I cast Birds of Paradise and then Phantasmal Image. Can I stack it so that the Vengevine comes back onto the battlefield and then the Phantasmal Image enters as a copy of it?

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1.) No, Modular's first part doesn't use the stack. Modular "comes into play WITH those counters"

2.) Vengevine will have a trigger go on the stack when the 2nd creature spells was cast for the turn, but before that creature enters the battlefield. and I believe you can have the image enter as a vengevine? I don't believe you choose a creature until the image actually is entering the battlefield.

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Originally posted by Mwapo:
1.) No, Modular's first part doesn't use the stack. Modular "comes into play WITH those counters"

2.) Vengevine will have a trigger go on the stack when the 2nd creature spells was cast for the turn, but before that creature enters the battlefield. and I believe you can have the image enter as a vengevine? I don't believe you choose a creature until the image actually is entering the battlefield.

Number 2 I am only sure on the first half of the question

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I have a Grim Feast in play.

If I use Vhati il-Dal's ability to make a creatures toughness 1, then give it -1/-1, how much life do I gain? 0, 1, or the creatures toughness originally?

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
Real Quick question:

I have a Grim Feast in play.

If I use Vhati il-Dal's ability to make a creatures toughness 1, then give it -1/-1, how much life do I gain? 0, 1, or the creatures toughness originally?

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It would have zero toughness, be put into the graveyard by state based actions for having zero toughness, and have zero toughness to gain you zero life.

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Originally posted by thror:
It would have zero toughness, be put into the graveyard by state based actions for having zero toughness, and have zero toughness to gain you zero life.

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Damn, that blows

I'm presuming jace and the metamorph die due to the legend rule, correct?

And if so, does lifeline bring the metamorph back?

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Originally posted by Devonin:
The metamorph is a copy of Jace, and so has the 'Plansewalker - Jace' type, which kills their Jace and the Metamorph, which is still a creature in addition to -its- other types when it leaves the battlefield, so it would come back with Lifeline.

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If I for example, deal it 5 damage from one source, do I sac 1 permanent or 5 permanents?

With it's current wording, it's like you would only have to sac 1, because the one SOURCE is dealing 5 damage.
Or is it meant to work like Phyrexian Negator, but with your opponent sacing things?

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
Phyrexian Obliterator.

If I for example, deal it 5 damage from one source, do I sac 1 permanent or 5 permanents?

With it's current wording, it's like you would only have to sac 1, because the one SOURCE is dealing 5 damage.
Or is it meant to work like Phyrexian Negator, but with your opponent sacing things?

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Nope, if you deal 5 you sac 5.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
it is NOT a creature. It copies Jace exactly and adds the additional type artifact. It is an "Artifact Planeswalker - Jace", I have no idea where you get that its a creature. Lifeline does not trigger when the metamorph dies.

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Originally posted by rockondon:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by caquaa:
it is NOT a creature. It copies Jace exactly and adds the additional type artifact. It is an "Artifact Planeswalker - Jace", I have no idea where you get that its a creature. Lifeline does not trigger when the metamorph dies.

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Originally posted by revenger:
My opponent casts Jace the Mind Sculptor, i respond w/ commandeer. do I get jave tms under my control?

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Updated oracle reminder text of Commandeer:
"You may exile two blue cards from your hand rather than pay Commandeer's mana cost.
Gain control of target noncreature spell. You may choose new targets for it. (If that spell is an artifact, enchantment, or planeswalker, the permanent enters the battlefield under your control.)"

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Originally posted by Skwirlnutz:
If I have an activated glint hawk idol on the field and I tap steel overseer and put a +1+1 counter on it, next turn when I activate my idol again will it be a 3/3?

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What is the ruling on indestructible, If I block with enough creatures to kill it does it die, ( I watched a starcity legacy match a while back where a guy blocked a Brightsteel with 3 Tombstalkers and killed the Brightsteel)?

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Originally posted by msmike2:

Phantasmal Image and Phantasmal Bear, when Lord of the Unreal or Grand Architect come into play and give the +1 counters and Hex proof, do they die as there being targeted?

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The lord does not give counters and does not target them. It simply makes them bigger and grants them hexproof while hes in play. Cards that target say "target" in their text.

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Originally posted by msmike2:
What is the ruling on indestructible, If I block with enough creatures to kill it does it die, ( I watched a starcity legacy match a while back where a guy blocked a Brightsteel with 3 Tombstalkers and killed the Brightsteel)?

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You likely saw somsone block emrakul w/ 3 tombstalkers to kill it, not a blightsteel (I watched that coverage, it was cute, but a terrible play).

700.4. If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects can’t destroy it. (See rule 701.6, “Destroy.”)
Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based
action (see rule 704.5g). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put
into a graveyard, or exiled.

it doesn't die to damage (a game rule) or cards that say destroy.

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Originally posted by msmike2:
When combat damage is dealt, when does damage wear off, at end of turn or during the next phase?

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302.7. Damage dealt to a creature by a source with neither wither nor infect is marked on that creature
(see rule 119.3). If the total damage marked on that creature is greater than or equal to its toughness,
that creature has been dealt lethal damage and is destroyed as a state-based action (see rule 704). All
damage marked on a creature is removed when it regenerates (see rule 701.11, “Regenerate”) and
during the cleanup step (see rule 514.2).