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djcards
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posted October 18, 2011 12:04 PM   Click Here to See the Profile for djcards Click Here to Email djcards Send a private message to djcards Click to send djcards an Instant Message Edit/Delete Message Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by orcishartillery:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by djcards:
So this means that you cannot do anything instant speed during the declare blockers step before blockers are declared. Does this also mean you cannot do anything instant speed during the untap phase before untapping, or during the draw phase, before drawing?

Players do not get priority at all during the untap step.

As the draw step begins, the active player draws a card, then the active player gets priority. If you want to do something before the card is drawn, you need to do it during the upkeep step.[/QUOTE]
Or have a howling mine in play, and respond to that trigge. Which does happen before the draw, in the draw step... Am I correct?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by djcards:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by orcishartillery:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by djcards:
So this means that you cannot do anything instant speed during the declare blockers step before blockers are declared. Does this also mean you cannot do anything instant speed during the untap phase before untapping, or during the draw phase, before drawing?

Players do not get priority at all during the untap step.

As the draw step begins, the active player draws a card, then the active player gets priority. If you want to do something before the card is drawn, you need to do it during the upkeep step.[/QUOTE]
Or have a howling mine in play, and respond to that trigge. Which does happen before the draw, in the draw step... Am I correct?
[/QUOTE]

Howling Mine's trigger goes on the stack after the original draw for the turn.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by djcards:
Or have a howling mine in play, and respond to that trigge. Which does happen before the draw, in the draw step... Am I correct?

504. Draw Step

504.1. First, the active player draws a card. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.

504.2. Second, any abilities that trigger at the beginning of the draw step and any other abilities that have triggered go on the stack.

504.3. Third, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.

 
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This is your timely, once-in-a-while reminder (I need it too) that if you're not 100% sure of your answers, don't give them. Also, if you're 100% sure of your answer, don't be wrong.

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From the rules of this thread:
If you are going to answer a question, please be 100% sure that your answer is correct. If you are just guessing or *think* you know the answer, keep it to yourself. There are plenty of judges and people who will know it correctly, and if multiple answers are given, it just confuses the person who asked.

Having to correct wrong answers is a pain in the ass. What if someone reads your wrong answer, but doesn't see that it got corrected? Once you've been shown that your answer is wrong, you should edit it to make it correct, but that might not have stopped someone from receiving bad information.

Personally, I try to sty away from questions I'm not 100% sure on and don't have the time to research. And I'm not perfect. For an example of how to correct a mistake (and of my fallibility), I submit this.

It's not my style to be a hard ass, really. For one thing, this isn't my thread. For another, I'm not a mod. However, and maybe I'm just noticing now and blowing this one out of proportion, this thread has too many mistakes on it.

Obviously, this is a collective issue rather than an individual one, so I am asking everyone who reads this thread-- especially myself-- with intent to answer questions to redouble their efforts to make sure the answers you give are correct and clear.

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If I have Phantasmal Dragon and Spellskite in play and change target of spells that originally were intended for Phantasmal Dragon to Spellskite, was Phantasmal ever targeted to begin with?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
If I have Phantasmal Dragon and Spellskite in play and change target of spells that originally were intended for Phantasmal Dragon to Spellskite, was Phantasmal ever targeted to begin with?

Yes.

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Q: At the end of the text on Arcane Cards it reads, "...add this effect to that spell." Does this mean that if the original spell is countered then so is the splice effect?

 
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quote:
Originally posted by farsk8dutch:

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Q: At the end of the text on Arcane Cards it reads, "...add this effect to that spell." Does this mean that if the original spell is countered then so is the splice effect?


yes, splice adds it to the original spell.


[Edited 1 times, lastly by TimeBeing on October 18, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
If I have Phantasmal Dragon and Spellskite in play and change target of spells that originally were intended for Phantasmal Dragon to Spellskite, was Phantasmal ever targeted to begin with?

In fact, Phantasmal Dragon's triggered ability is already on the stack by the time you get the opportunity to play Spellskite's ability.

 
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So what if I have Phantasmal Image come into play as a copy of Etched Champion. If it has a protection from all colors, can it still be targeted?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by tragicmagic:
So what if I have Phantasmal Image come into play as a copy of Etched Champion. If it has a protection from all colors, can it still be targeted?

It can be "targeted" but the spell will fizzle. Then all that the PI cares about is that it was a target.

~MM

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quote:
Originally posted by MeddlingMage:
It can be "targeted" but the spell will fizzle. Then all that the PI cares about is that it was a target.

~MM


That's not accurate. The acronym used for protection is DEBT:
Dealt damage
Enchanted/ Equipped
Blocked by
Targeted by

If a creature has protection from something, it cannot be announced as a target of a spell or ability with that characteristic.

If your Phantasmal Image does not have protection from the spell or ability, trying to grant it that protection (say with Apotle's Blessing) after it's targeted will not save the Image.

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[Edited 1 times, lastly by JoshSherman on October 19, 2011]

 
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A few questions; I play a Black/Red control deck with Chandra, the Firebrand and Memoricide in the sideboard.

when do i name the card I plan to search for with Memoricide?

if i use chandra's ability to copy memoricide, do i get to basically do this:
-name a card with the first resolving memoricide
-search through their deck to get rid of that card
-with the twincasted copy, name a troublesome card i saw while searching

or do i have to name the cards earlier?

 
caquaa
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With Memoricide you name the card on resolution of the spell. When you copy the spell you name a card as each one resolves.

If your opponent ever asks you what card you're naming, it is implied the spell is now resolving. once you tell them what you're naming they can't respond.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by caquaa on October 21, 2011]

 
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quote:
Originally posted by dfitzg88:
if i use chandra's ability to copy memoricide, do i get to basically do this:
-name a card with the first resolving memoricide
-search through their deck to get rid of that card
-with the twincasted copy, name a troublesome card i saw while searching

Yes, you can do this. That is because while you're searching for the first card you named, the original spell is still on the stack (since the copy resolves first). Be very careful to only name your card choice once you know each copy has resolved.

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How does flashback work with Repeal? Can I pay x or is the x 0?
 
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Originally posted by Absurd90:
How does flashback work with Repeal? Can I pay x or is the x 0?

(assuming something like snapcaster) the flashback cost would be XU so you can pay for X.

 
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It is tournament legal to tap a land for mana, and then untap it to tap a different land (IE: you have a seachrome coast and two plains and want to cast a 1W creature, you tap the seachrome and the plains, and then untap the seachrome and tap the other plains to bluff you have a mana leak)? We can't seem to find a ruling on it, so if you have the ruling where that is, I would appreciate you posting it!

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quote:
Originally posted by Jazaray:
It is tournament legal to tap a land for mana, and then untap it to tap a different land (IE: you have a seachrome coast and two plains and want to cast a 1W creature, you tap the seachrome and the plains, and then untap the seachrome and tap the other plains to bluff you have a mana leak)? We can't seem to find a ruling on it, so if you have the ruling where that is, I would appreciate you posting it!

Thanks,
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Thats one of the big grey areas in mtg. In a competitive environment (PTQ/GP, big independent tournament), once the spell is on the stack, whatever lands you used are locked in, and a judge wouldnt let you undo it. However, if all you do is tap your lands, then untap them and tap differently before you cast your spell, the opponent cant stop you. Mana abilities are funny like that.

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My friend uses Semblance Anvil and exiles a creature. Does that mean ALL his creature costs are reduced by 2? or only the same creature types?
 
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quote:
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My friend uses Semblance Anvil and exiles a creature. Does that mean ALL his creature costs are reduced by 2? or only the same creature types?

Semblance Anvil

Straight from gatherer:
1/1/2011 Artifact, creature, enchantment, instant, planeswalker, sorcery, and tribal are card types.

and printed on the card:
Spells you cast that share a card type with the exiled card cost 2 less to cast.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by southparker2002:
My friend uses Semblance Anvil and exiles a creature. Does that mean ALL his creature costs are reduced by 2? or only the same creature types?

It means any creature spell he casts costs 2 less. Semblance Anvil does not care about subtypes. Also, the Gatherer link I edited into your question answered it

You should always try to use Gatherer to answer your questions before you post here because A) it's faster, and B) that's what it's there for.

See Rules Section 3 of the Magic game rules for more info on card types.

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If my opponent has a Mikaeus, the Lunarch will a Mikaeus cast for zero kill it? I think it will, but I want to make sure.

[Edited 1 times, lastly by sammyt125 on October 29, 2011]
 
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Originally posted by sammyt125:
If my opponent has a Mikaeus, the Lunarch will a Mikaeus cast for zero kill it? I think it will, but I want to make sure.

Why wouldnt it?

It's a 0/0 that comes into play with X counters. If X is zero, then it's a 0/0, and state based actions put it into its owners graveyard.

EDIT #2 - I realize what the actual question is now. "If my opponent has a Mikaeus, and I cast a mikaeus for zero, do they kill each other?"

The answer is yes. You cast mikaeus for zero, and he enters the battlefield. State based actions check everything at once, and they see a 0/0 and 2 copies of the same legend. The legend rule kills both mikaeus, while the game also puts the 0/0 mikaeus into your graveyard. They both die.
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[Edited 2 times, lastly by thror on October 29, 2011]

 
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I may have been unclear. My opponent has a Mikaeus out. I cast a Mikaeus for 0. Both Mikaeus will die from the legend rule, right?
 
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If I Cackling Counterpart a Grave Titan, does the enter battlefield work with the token?
 

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