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Topic: Post for Magic Stuff 61
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farsk8dutch
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posted October 10, 2011 03:57 PM
         
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Originally posted by airwalk:
Can anyone give me some tips/info on selling on MOTL? Just stuff to be cautious about or whatever.
offer competitive prices and be flexible on shipping. I offer the buyer the choice of avoiding having to pay for registered shipping by accepting responsibility for shipment (as a formality) at regular costs and I will save the receipt from the PO and/or copy of the customs form as record of shipment for international buyers. Otherwise I use delivery confirmation. I always save email records. Being able to provide scans, if needed, is always nice too.
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WCFmo
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posted October 10, 2011 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by yakusoku:
The deck's owner hasn't commented and neither has the "friend". If this was all a big misunderstanding, why hasn't any of the people in the video come to his defense?Also, this is very relevant: MOTL BTA - Pedro Quintero.
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AGO
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posted October 10, 2011 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by WCFmo:
http://www.thestarkingtonpost.com/articles/_/1757Has anyone ever read this? For those who don't want to click without knowing what it is, it's Pedro Quintero's response to the video of him yanking someone's deck. ---- Switching gears What's everyone playing at states? I have a standard tournament that I need to figure out what I'm gonna play (oddly enough, 1st place is a Black Lotus).
There are many addictions that people fall into that don’t involve drugs or alcohol. They are called process addictions because they usually are an addiction to an act or behavior. Process addictions are not as well known as drug addiction, and many people actually doubt if they are real. For many people, however, a process addiction causes them to continue to do something they don’t want to do, and in order to get out of the addiction they may need professional help. One misunderstood process addiction is Compulsive Stealing Addiction. Someone that has a stealing addiction will feel a rush or a high when they shoplift or steal. If they try to avoid stealing, they will have actual cravings or urges to steal. Just like drug addiction, this addiction controls the mind and it becomes all-encompassing. Many people with a stealing addiction don’t even need or use the things they steal. Wealthy housewives have been known to steal compulsively, as a way to self-medicate for some bad aspect of their life. For some people, the danger and the thrill is what keeps them coming back, for others, stealing is a sort of stress reliever that they begin to rely on.
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choco man
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posted October 10, 2011 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by AGO:
There are many addictions that people fall into that don’t involve drugs or alcohol. They are called process addictions because they usually are an addiction to an act or behavior. Process addictions are not as well known as drug addiction, and many people actually doubt if they are real. For many people, however, a process addiction causes them to continue to do something they don’t want to do, and in order to get out of the addiction they may need professional help.One misunderstood process addiction is Compulsive Stealing Addiction. Someone that has a stealing addiction will feel a rush or a high when they shoplift or steal. If they try to avoid stealing, they will have actual cravings or urges to steal. Just like drug addiction, this addiction controls the mind and it becomes all-encompassing. Many people with a stealing addiction don’t even need or use the things they steal. Wealthy housewives have been known to steal compulsively, as a way to self-medicate for some bad aspect of their life. For some people, the danger and the thrill is what keeps them coming back, for others, stealing is a sort of stress reliever that they begin to rely on.
I think accountability is the key here. Doesn't really matter why something got stolen. Especially if the reason is, "I feel compelled to and it makes me feel better."
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Bagbokk
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posted October 10, 2011 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by farsk8dutch:
offer competitive prices and be flexible on shipping. I offer the buyer the choice of avoiding having to pay for registered shipping by accepting responsibility for shipment (as a formality) at regular costs and I will save the receipt from the PO and/or copy of the customs form as record of shipment for international buyers. Otherwise I use delivery confirmation. I always save email records. Being able to provide scans, if needed, is always nice too.
This is good. The one thing to be cautious about in the above is that you MUST have the buyer explicitly state that you aren't responsible for lost mail. Just having that in your rules or even telling the buyer that in an email doesn't work. The buyer has to say it.
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wayne
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posted October 10, 2011 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Gavin Verhey is/was my favorite writer on StarcityGames.com
Any favourite articles?
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Goaswerfraiejen
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posted October 10, 2011 09:56 PM
Well, looks like I'm about to acquire my first Planeswalker: 2x Garruk Wildspeaker. I didn't particularly need it, but it was an easy way to even out a trade, and it's a fun one to tinker with more casually.  __________________
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stab107
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posted October 11, 2011 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by choco man:
I think accountability is the key here. Doesn't really matter why something got stolen. Especially if the reason is, "I feel compelled to and it makes me feel better."
I don't think that is the point of AGO's post. All his post is trying to do is inform us that there may be another motive to theft than just greed. I also think it does matter why something got stolen. An individual with a process addiction will likely not respond to the usual punishment therapy that is applied to cases of theft. They will be unable to stop themselves due to the compulsion caused by their addiction. This is very different from the thief who steals for greed. To assist individuals suffering from process addiction it is important to understand their motivation so we can address it effectively.
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Bugger
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posted October 11, 2011 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by stab107:
I don't think that is the point of AGO's post. All his post is trying to do is inform us that there may be another motive to theft than just greed. I also think it does matter why something got stolen. An individual with a process addiction will likely not respond to the usual punishment therapy that is applied to cases of theft. They will be unable to stop themselves due to the compulsion caused by their addiction. This is very different from the thief who steals for greed. To assist individuals suffering from process addiction it is important to understand their motivation so we can address it effectively.
I agree. However I think it's important to note that this doesn't excuse their actions in any way, shape, or form. Theft is theft.
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stab107
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posted October 11, 2011 06:28 AM
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Originally posted by Bugger:
I agree. However I think it's important to note that this doesn't excuse their actions in any way, shape, or form. Theft is theft.
You are correct, it's not an excuse.
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AlmostGrown
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posted October 11, 2011 06:59 AM
Why do people love Nevermore so much?
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hilikuS
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posted October 11, 2011 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do people love Nevermore so much?
I only love it because we play this variation called pack war, where you don't use lands, just shuffle the pack and play. So if I ever open a Nevermore, I'm going to call "Trepadation Blade" and call it a day. Since that card basically autowins in our little format. The card seems decent in EDH.
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Zakman86
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posted October 11, 2011 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do people love Nevermore so much?
I don't know why other people love it, but for me I hear a tutorable Meddling Mage that draws me cards is a pretty good card. I don't think it's great in every deck though.
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yakusoku
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posted October 11, 2011 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Why do people love Nevermore so much?
Context? Are we talking about Standard? EDH/Commander? I got one at the release and stuck it in my G/W EDH deck ASAP. I haven't cast it yet, but I'm still dreaming about playing a turn one Pilgrim of Avacyn/Birds of Paradise/mana dork and then turn 2 Nevermore naming their general. G/W has lots of ways to destroy an enchantment, but against a B/R general, that may mean they NEVER get to play it against you. If you're talking about Standard, then I think it's the usual hype over cards like this which destroy single-minded decks. Surgical Extraction still didn't take down Splinter Twin, and every deck these days has multiple routes to victory, so naming a card doesn't do much. If you name one Titan, that's no guarantee you won't just lose to Consecrated Sphinx or Wurmcoil Engine. You can name Birthing Pod and simply lose to Blade Splicer into Sun Titan then a copy of Sun Titan. Against aggro decks, Nevermore is going to just be bad. I fear Oblivion Ring taking out my Shrine of Burning Rage more than I fear Nevermore naming Shrine of Burning Rage.
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AlmostGrown
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posted October 11, 2011 08:36 AM
Some people...quote:
originally PM'd by: Potential Trade partner
How about this: 2 pods for arid mesa and scalding tarn and throw in something on my side to even out the difference.
Why would I trade fetches for cards that are only applicable in Standard? I thought my offer of 4x Mentor of the Meek + 1x Puresteel Paladin was all ready in his favor. @Yak - In Standard, is what I mean.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by AlmostGrown on October 11, 2011]
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Bagbokk
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posted October 11, 2011 09:02 AM
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Why would I trade fetches for cards that are only applicable in Standard?
As long as the values line up (2 pods for mesa + tarn does not) I don't see the problem here unless you have a rule in your H/W stating that you aren't trading stuff usable in other formats for stuff only applicable in Standard. I see that kind of rule on a minority of posts but almost everyone else I've dealt with have been happy to trade whatever regardless of format, so long as the values line up and it's cards they wanted.
[Edited 1 times, lastly by Bagbokk on October 11, 2011]
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wayne
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posted October 11, 2011 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
Some people...Why would I trade fetches for cards that are only applicable in Standard? I thought my offer of 4x Mentor of the Meek + 1x Puresteel Paladin was all ready in his favor. @Yak - In Standard, is what I mean.
Why not, if you really needed those cards fast for a tourney...
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AlmostGrown
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posted October 11, 2011 09:14 AM
The thing is, I don't need them fast for a tourney - I just need them to have the deck completed. I'm in no rush, really.@Bagbokk - Trading is much more than values adding up to be the same on the both sides. One has to take in liquidity of the cards, usability in other formats, and popularity (may mean the same thing as liquidity depending on who you ask). Birthing Pod is only usable in Standard while fetches are usable in every format they're legal in. that said, it's not like I'll never ever trade fetches or the like for standard cards or something - it's just that it's a losing deal for me for the most part. Trading Legacy for Standard 1:1 is never a good deal, usually.
[Edited 2 times, lastly by AlmostGrown on October 11, 2011]
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MasterWolf
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posted October 11, 2011 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
The thing is, I don't need them fast for a tourney - I just need them to have the deck completed. I'm in no rush, really.@Bagbokk - Trading is much more than values adding up to be the same on the both sides. One has to take in liquidity of the cards, usability in other formats, and popularity (may mean the same thing as liquidity depending on who you ask). Birthing Pod is only usable in Standard while fetches are usable in every format they're legal in. that said, it's not like I'll never ever trade fetches or the like for standard cards or something - it's just that it's a losing deal for me for the most part. Trading Legacy for Standard 1:1 is never a good deal, usually.
Sure, you have a point. But at its simplest trading is giving up something you don't need for something you do. I've traded staples for t2, and vice versa. I've traded T2 for power. It all depends on what you have, and what you need. So while you might want to keep your long terms values high in your trades, that doesn't mean that Birthing Pods for Fetches is ridiculous. In fact, I traded 4 Pods and 2 Tempered Steel for 4 Scalding Tarn, because the dude didn't want rotating cards and needed new standard. So it's much more about what each side wants out of the deal than it is about specific values or long terms prospects or usefulness in multiple formats.
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Bagbokk
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posted October 11, 2011 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by AlmostGrown:
The thing is, I don't need them fast for a tourney - I just need them to have the deck completed. I'm in no rush, really.@Bagbokk - Trading is much more than values adding up to be the same on the both sides. One has to take in liquidity of the cards, usability in other formats, and popularity (may mean the same thing as liquidity depending on who you ask). Birthing Pod is only usable in Standard while fetches are usable in every format they're legal in.
Everyone has different priorities when trading, and this is fine. But value is actually the most common ground that people agree on more often than not (though the use of price guides may differ). You feel strongly about usability in formats, while someone else with Pods on their want list might actually BE in a rush to complete their decks, which is what wayne was getting at. You PERSONALLY don't need them, but that doesn't make his offer stupid as a GENERAL matter. Making a blanket statement which implies that people are stupid if they offer to trade Standard-only cards for cards that can be used in other formats is problematic because there is no way for them to know your personal trading preferences unless you have them stated in your rules. Unless you made sure that the other trader already knows this, why would it be stupid for him to make the offer that he did (again, if the value otherwise lined up)? [Edit: Also, not saying your considerations or preferences are wrong in any way, but not everyone thinks the same when trading, or has the same needs for cards. I just don't see how the offered trade is ridiculous simply because fetches are usable in other formats and Pods are not.]
[Edited 2 times, lastly by Bagbokk on October 11, 2011]
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psilence6k
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posted October 11, 2011 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by urza187:
I highly recommend you read some Geordie Tait articles on SCG then. He is who I think is actually the best MTG article writer, ever.
I liked his writing until he wrote that piece called: "An apology to my unborn daughter" or whatever. His holier-than-thou attitude in it really turned me off. :S
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MasterWolf
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posted October 11, 2011 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by psilence6k:
I liked his writing until he wrote that piece called: "An apology to my unborn daughter" or whatever. His holier-than-thou attitude in it really turned me off. :S
Well I thought that article was fantastic and he mea culpa'd in that same article. And I think a lot of his points were right on.
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Kryne
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posted October 11, 2011 03:38 PM
People trade cards on youtube?!
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jaromirjagr
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posted October 11, 2011 04:28 PM
Wheres the best place to get magic set checklist?I want sets displayed by color artifact land etc.And little boxes by the cards so I can check it off if Ive got it.
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ryan2754
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posted October 11, 2011 05:01 PM
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