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Originally posted by caquaa:

I'm not sure people will misread this card however. It does seem fairly straight forward in the wording this time. You seem to read salvation, has anyone there even misinterpreted what the card does yet?

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Yes.

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I was reading this card as "X mana" as opposed to "X life" for some reason

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At first I thought this card only affected your opponent, and I rejoiced.

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just misread the card

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My first run over of the card made me think it said "Unless they pay x," which is kind of a huge difference.

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Killer Wave seemed amazing, and with amazing art, and I was super excited about it, and then I realized that I had missed the last word of the card. Pays X life, not X mana.

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so killing wave is blacks doj, seriously how many aggro decks have enough mana open to save even one creature if you pay x=2? 3?

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Just re-read Killing Wave. Not as excited.

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I really liked Killing Wave when I thought it said pay X

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Had to read it again to make sure that it targets all creatures.

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And like most others, I read Killing Wave as "pay X mana" as well.

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The cards are on the ok side, but as for Killing Wave, now that's just nuts. Great against aggro decks which have the tendecy to tap out, so using this to kill a horde of creatures for just 1b while your opponent is tapped out is insanely good.

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Read the card, I made the same mistake. It's not mana that's paid from the card, it's life.

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a shame, i too thought it was mana, until i saw it was life

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Oh dear lord. My bad that I read that its not one sided.

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I read it again and found out it affects you too.

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Loved Killing Wave when I first read it...then did a double take, saw it said life instead of mana and now I'm feeling it much much less. Damn, looked so good at first.

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Against a mostly tapped out opponents, it is nearly a 1 sided wrath.
It will be played, a lot.

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Originally posted by LemonMeringue:
Yeah, the soulbound thing is a may ability, so you don't have to use it. You can play one raw then bind it later.

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So the one drop that gives your dude flying seems pretty darn good then.

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Originally posted by coasterdude84:
Planeswalkers are different because they're a different card type altogether. Suppose someone came back to the game and never saw a Planeswalker or Miracle card. A planeswalker has an entire set of rules that need to be explained, and just looking at it, clearly is not one of the other card types. A miracle card, on the other hand, looks like a sorcery with a keyword, like madness. Nothing would trigger them to ask about it, so if there were restrictions, they could easily be cheated.

I think if there were a 1 per deck restriction or something, it would be included in the reminder text for Miracle.

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Fair enough. Stu is probably right then, in that the card just isn't that busted. It does have some disadvantages to it (although obviously it looks OMG powerful).

1. You gotta play it on the spot before any of your other spells. With the regular Time Walk, you can hold it in your hand until the perfect time to play it. This one limits you to RIGHT NOW, or you'll need to constantly put it down on the deck with a Sensei's Top, or Jace, or something. While that's completely doable, you're storing it there, and can't use shuffle effects during that time. If you do want it cast, and get into a counter war, you'll likely spend a lot of your resources doing so, still before your main phase.

2. It's kind of a dead draw. Yeah you can Brainstorm it back into your library, but that's still a 2 card thing. These in your opening hand seem like a bad time.

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
Yes.

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Originally posted by caquaa:
I'm not sure whats more impressive, the amount of stupid contained in those quotes, or the fact you got all those in with only 1 edit! heh
Guess I've made mistakes on cards before as well. Typically just assuming what a card does instead of confirming it via reading. This one just seems so straight forward tho =/

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I think the most common misinterpretation was paying mana instead of life. People thought it was a way to punish aggro decks for tapping out for a huntmaster on turn 3 in a stompy deck, since they wouldn't have the mana to prevent sacrificing their board. Ironically, that would have made Killing Wave quite playable.

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Originally posted by dwiz:
and personal tutor is now a $40 card

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Originally posted by Bruised:
Miracle keyword is going to give me nightmares at ptq's.

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
Noxious Revival with Temporal Mastery in type 2 seems strong enough considering that revival doesn't actually require green mana.

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Except that the card is removed from the game, not put in the graveyard.

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Originally posted by dwiz:
Does Miracle not work if you take the card you drew and accidentally put it in your hand and then reveal try to reveal it?

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AFAIK, it does not work.

We don't have the official FAQ for AVR, but apparently, bits and pieces of discussion from judges and Aaron has leaked and confirmed that if you must reveal a Miracle card BEFORE putting it into your hand if you want to cast it for its Miracle cost. If you put the card into your hand, it's too late. Hopefully the FAQ will be released soon to clear up this confusion. This concern seems to be the number one point that people have posted about - worries that some people will quickly draw and then say, "Oh, I drew a Temporal Mastery. Here it is. {reveal TM from their hand."

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Originally posted by yakusoku:
AFAIK, it does not work.

We don't have the official FAQ for AVR, but apparently, bits and pieces of discussion from judges and Aaron has leaked and confirmed that if you must reveal a Miracle card BEFORE putting it into your hand if you want to cast it for its Miracle cost. If you put the card into your hand, it's too late. Hopefully the FAQ will be released soon to clear up this confusion. This concern seems to be the number one point that people have posted about - worries that some people will quickly draw and then say, "Oh, I drew a Temporal Mastery. Here it is. {reveal TM from their hand."

The effect only working prior to mixing with the rest of the cards in your hand may punish some sloppy players who are prone to do things like draw before untapping or forgetting to transform cards, but it will also deter cheaters who may try to abuse the system.

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(You may cast this card for its miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn.)

Which means once its in your hand its already been drawn and not cast.

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Originally posted by MAB_Rapper:
Except that the card is removed from the game, not put in the graveyard.

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Well clearly, but a deck that runs Faithless Looting or Forbidden Alchemy can take advantage.

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
Well clearly, but a deck that runs Faithless Looting or Forbidden Alchemy can take advantage.

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Shows how much standard I play... I forgot those two cards existed.

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
Well clearly, but a deck that runs Faithless Looting or Forbidden Alchemy can take advantage.

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Seems like an awful lot of work to gain an extra untap and attack phase.

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Seems like an awful lot of work to gain an extra untap and attack phase.

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Originally posted by Nitelite:
Err, no it doesn't.

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You got to ditch Temporal Mastery into the grave, then lose a card by using Noxious Revival to bring it back on top, so you can gain an extra turn!?

That sounds like a good game plan, and while you are trying to set up an extra turn, I am going to drop bombs into play, so you can spend your extra turn digging for an answer.

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Originally posted by ryan2754:
With Killing Wave, since it's technically looking at each creature, I can choose which creatures to pay for and which to not correct? It's not an all or nothing proposition correct?

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Yes, you can choose which creatures you want to pay for and which ones you want to sac to it.

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Originally posted by gcowhsu:
Killing wave sucks. Never leave it to your opponent to decide what happens because you will always lose.

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Well, it also gives you (the controller) an option for choosing as well. In an EDH, if you have one dude and your opponents have multiple dudes (or if they just Storm Herd'ed) this card gives you flexibility.