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yakusoku Member	posted April 07, 2012 03:34 PM A bunch of people at PAX East are already spoiling Avacyn Restored cards: Demonlord of Ashmouth 2BB Flying, Undying When ~ enters the battlefield, exile it unless you sacrifice another creature. 5/4 Silverblade Paladin, 2/2 1ww Creature - Human Knight soulbond - you may pair this creature with another unpaired creature when either enters the battlefield. they remain pIaired for as long as you control both of them.) As long as silverblade paladin is paired with another creature, both creatures have double strike. Restoration Angel - 3W Flash, Flying, 3/4, When Restoration Angel enters the battlefield, you may exile target non-angel creature you control then return that creature to the battlefield under your control. Sigarda, Host of Herons - 2GWW Flying, Hexproof 5/5 Spells and abilities your opponents control can't cause you to sacrifice permanents Thunderous Wrath - 4RR Instant Thunderous Wrath deals 5 damage to target creature or player. Miracle R (You may cast this card for its Miracle cost when you draw it if it's the first card you drew this turn) [Edited 2 times, lastly by yakusoku on April 07, 2012]
airwalk Member	posted April 07, 2012 03:46 PM Wow, Thunderous Wrath looks so fun! Topdeck champ.
simbayu Member	posted April 07, 2012 03:57 PM Thanks for the spoiler. Demonlord in a zombie deck looks sweet. This card looks amazing especially when you start chaining them with metamorph or images. Thunderous Wrath looks sweet too. [Edited 1 times, lastly by simbayu on April 07, 2012]
skizzikmonger Member	posted April 07, 2012 04:14 PM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: Demonlord of Ashmouth 2BB Flying, Undying When ~ enters the battlefield, exile it unless you sacrifice a creature. 5/4 Gravecrawler, Geralf's Messenger, Skirsdag High Priest, Tragic Slip, and Brimstone Volley make this card disgusting, and I want 4.
guruswamp Member	posted April 07, 2012 05:57 PM thunderous wrath looks to hard to judge with that mechanic. a dishonest player could have it in his hand and claim to have just drawn it. its too good with top or any topdeck manipulation...a 5 dmg lightning bolt. sounds like a judging nightmare
guruswamp Member	posted April 07, 2012 05:58 PM quote: Originally posted by skizzikmonger: Gravecrawler, Geralf's Messenger, Skirsdag High Priest, Tragic Slip, and Brimstone Volley make this card disgusting, and I want 4. the demon lord sac itself too, correct? [Edited 1 times, lastly by guruswamp on April 07, 2012]
rockondon Member	posted April 07, 2012 06:13 PM restoration angel would be great in a sharuum edh deck. __________________ \|My Angels~My P9 l""\|"\__, \|~~My #1 Angel~~l'_\|'_\|_\|) \|(@)(@)""*\|(@)(@)\|(@)
gcowhsu Member	posted April 07, 2012 06:59 PM Soulbound looks to be a better version of metal craft. Still don't like cards that depend on other cards to be good unless it ends the game (combo). If the other creature dies it's a 2/2 for 3 or if you have no other creatures. I think the G/W angel will replace Thrun for me in Maverick. That sucks cause I was going to get a foil Thrun after rotation. Miracle looks like it is a solution to snapcaster. They don't want to make him better. [Edited 1 times, lastly by gcowhsu on April 07, 2012]
yakusoku Member	posted April 07, 2012 07:03 PM Demonlord has been updated to read "sacrifice ANOTHER creature", so you can't just sacrifice itself and count on undying to bring it back. quote: Originally posted by guruswamp: thunderous wrath looks to hard to judge with that mechanic. a dishonest player could have it in his hand and claim to have just drawn it. It's no more problematic than Delver of Secrets or Dark Confidant, which both require you to reveal a card before your draw step. If you have a Delver of Secrets on the battlefield and quickly draw and mix the card in your hand and claim to have drawn a Ponder, you probably won't be allowed to flip the Delver. If you try to draw two card with Dark Confidant and reveal neither and try to claim that the first one from Dark Confidant was a Watery Grave, you aren't just going to be able to get away with that with no consequences. I'm sure they'll probably rule it something like that you have to reveal it as you draw, or else you can't cast it for the Miracle cost, as you've gone past the point of drawing that card.
gcowhsu Member	posted April 07, 2012 07:11 PM It says when you draw it. If you shuffle the cards around after you pick it up I think that's ample argument to say that it has passed since you drew it.
fluffycow Member	posted April 07, 2012 07:35 PM soulbound sounds complicated, but all the angels sound crazy
Zeckk Member	posted April 07, 2012 08:38 PM Soulbound is a funny update to banding, and I really enjoy the implications of the mechanic with certain creatures. I imagine only 2 or 3 cards with soulbound will be constructed playable, but that paladin pairs pretty nicely with geist of saint traft and invisible stalker.
MTDetermine Member	posted April 07, 2012 08:54 PM Wondering if Avacyn Angel of Hope will become an EDH favourite.
choco man Member	posted April 07, 2012 10:41 PM quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: Wondering if Avacyn Angel of Hope will become an EDH favourite. Its awesome, but it isn't Tooth and Nail level. Probably not even Genesis Wave level on fun/obnoxiousness.
simbayu Member	posted April 07, 2012 11:46 PM quote: Originally posted by MTDetermine: Wondering if Avacyn Angel of Hope will become an EDH favourite. Heck yah. Shes a total EDH card. I dont see her good in any other format. She's going straight into a Karador deck I have. She's going to be house. quote: Originally posted by choco man: Its awesome, but it isn't Tooth and Nail level. Probably not even Genesis Wave level on fun/obnoxiousness. I feel in the right EDH deck she will be on the level of tooth and nail/genesis wave. She can be consistently cheated in MUCH earlier than tooth and nail entwined or a good genesis wave. Side note, I play mostly 1v1 EDH [Edited 1 times, lastly by simbayu on April 07, 2012]
Havoc Demon Member	posted April 08, 2012 12:07 AM quote: Originally posted by simbayu: I feel in the right EDH deck she will be on the level of tooth and nail/genesis wave. Since Tooth and Nail gets the instant win, I would rather have that than a big clunky Angel that eats a Sword/Path/Condemn/Oblation. And Kaalia is probably the only deck that can get it to Tooth and Nail level. But that's just me. But that's just me. __________________ Most References in Massachusetts 80th All-time Support my friend's store: http://www.tabletoparena.com My blog: http://wings0298.blogspot.com
Goaswerfraiejen Member	posted April 08, 2012 12:26 AM quote: Originally posted by yakusoku: Sigarda, Host of Herons - 2GWW Flying, Hexproof 5/5 Spells and abilities your opponents control can't cause you to sacrifice permanents I really like this card--probably because 'Sigarda' has a(n almost) Scandinavian flavour, and as we know, I love all things Scandinavia. I do think she's decent, but not amazing. Good enough perhaps for me to use her as an alternate GSZ/Natural Order target. Well, probably not. But good enough for me to want to have a copy kicking around. The demon is pretty cool too: I like its balance, which is in line with typical black flavour. __________________ "I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each. I do not think they will sing to me." -T.S. Eliot RIP Ari Legacy UGB River Rock primer. PM comments/questions. Info on grad school in Phil.
Zeckk Member	posted April 08, 2012 12:46 AM quote: Originally posted by simbayu: Heck yah. Shes a total EDH card. I dont see her good in any other format. She's going straight into a Karador deck I have. She's going to be house. I feel in the right EDH deck she will be on the level of tooth and nail/genesis wave. She can be consistently cheated in MUCH earlier than tooth and nail entwined or a good genesis wave. Side note, I play mostly 1v1 EDH If you are playing karador, Tooth and Nail for Triskelion + Mikaeus, the Unhallowed is an instant win. Secondly, At 8 mana I would much rather have more slots dedicated to impacting the board as opposed to a creature that simply "deads" the sweepers from my opponents. For anything resembling competitive EDH, the key is to keep a low profile until you can win on the spot, not incremental dudes that paint targets on your head.
caquaa Member	posted April 08, 2012 02:36 AM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: If you are playing karador, Tooth and Nail for Triskelion + Mikaeus, the Unhallowed is an instant win. booooooooooring. One card combos out of no where take no skill and just aren't fun.
Zeckk Member	posted April 08, 2012 06:24 AM quote: Originally posted by caquaa: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Zeckk: If you are playing karador, Tooth and Nail for Triskelion + Mikaeus, the Unhallowed is an instant win. booooooooooring. One card combos out of no where take no skill and just aren't fun. [/QUOTE] Slippery slope argument. If you want to play a game, you have to decide whether or not you care about winning. If you care about winning, you have to decide if you care about how you win. If you care about how you win, you have to draw some imaginary line between a "legit win" and a "cheap win", which is already hypocritical and based upon a purely personal criteria. I'd rather skip the bull**** and focus on winning. If I can't enjoy a game of EDH without seeing some massively complicated board state or clunky-ass 8 card combo, then I shouldn't be playing the format in the first place.
Sovarius Member	posted April 08, 2012 09:31 AM Thunderous Wrath is really sickening. And it's really simple, you pick up a card, pause for a brief moment while you decide whether to cast it or set it with the rest of the cards in your hand, then it's over. You get the one chance to cast it. It's only a judging nightmare because people will think they can hold in their hand all day, or they will accidentally put it into their hand while they decide, or whatever. The Demon makes more sense when he says sacrifice ANOTHER creature. But at any rate, even you sacrifice himself to himself, the best you get is +1+1 and almost no chance of undying. Decent trade off, but almost certainly not what was intended. quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: I'd rather skip the bull** and focus on winning. If I can't enjoy a game of EDH without seeing some massively complicated board state or clunky-ass 8 card combo, then I shouldn't be playing the format in the first place. That's weird, cause that's exactly the point for some people. It was created with casual hijinx in mind. I'd rather skip the bull** and not have to read any more of your posts. Avacyn is really fun, it will go into my Kaalia deck for sure when i get to building it.
ryan2754 Member	posted April 08, 2012 11:24 AM Yeah, Miracle seems like a pain. I'm guessing when you draw it, you'll have to reveal it, much like the Delver trigger ro Dark Confidant. As for Triskelion and Mikaeus, am I missing something. It's a 1/1 with 3 +1/+1 counters. So you remove the 3 +1/+1 counters, and you have a 1/1 with mikaeus in play. I don't understand how that becomes an unlimited combo unless you have a sac outlet.
yakusoku Member	posted April 08, 2012 11:53 AM ryan, You remove two counters to damage your opponent, and use the last to target Triskelion itself. It will have no counters and be a 1/1 with one damage, so it dies. It has Undying, so it comes back with a +1/+1 counter (in addition to the 3 it normally enters the battlefield with). Now you shoot your opponent for 3, deal one to the Triskelion and repeat until your opponent is dead.
Bugger Member	posted April 08, 2012 12:08 PM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: Slippery slope argument. If you want to play a game, you have to decide whether or not you care about winning. If you care about winning, you have to decide if you care about how you win. If you care about how you win, you have to draw some imaginary line between a "legit win" and a "cheap win", which is already hypocritical and based upon a purely personal criteria. I'd rather skip the bull**** and focus on winning. If I can't enjoy a game of EDH without seeing some massively complicated board state or clunky-ass 8 card combo, then I shouldn't be playing the format in the first place. If you're playing EDH with this Sirlin-style approach to every match, then you're absolutely correct - you shouldn't be playing the format in the first place. __________________ It is a known fact that more Americans watch the television than any other appliance.
choco man Member	posted April 08, 2012 12:09 PM quote: Originally posted by Zeckk: If you want to play a game, you have to decide whether or not you care about winning. If you want to play a game, you have to decide whether or not you care about having fun. That's why it's called a game. Avacyn is a great card for EDH even though it's not staple-tier like Tooth and Nail. quote: Originally posted by Bugger: If you're playing EDH with this Sirlin-style approach to every match, then you're absolutely correct - you shouldn't be playing the format in the first place. This is correct. [Edited 1 times, lastly by choco man on April 08, 2012]

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