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quote:
Originally posted by AGO:
Where can i safely get 400 mtgo tickets? Also why would someone rather be paid in tickets then thru paypal?

If they're European, I think it costs them more than a dollar per tix to get em through the Wizards site. If the guy was gonna end up buying tix anyway, it works out much better for him, and hooks you up with some extra cash for the leg work.

 
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Originally posted by AGO:
Where can i safely get 400 mtgo tickets? Also why would someone rather be paid in tickets then thru paypal?

I can assist you in getting those tickets. But, I do not have $400 in my paypal account to buy them for you. Email me if interested.

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Originally posted by thror:
No, that is a prize split. The prizes are: Packs for 2nd. Packs+Invite for first. Split them as you wish. Then just play the match for pwp, and you're good to go.


The wording causes it to not be a prize split. You can only say "Split" and then go from there.

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Originally posted by Jazaray:
See the Profile for Jazaray Click Here to Email Jazaray I'm upping this thread to issue out a warning and some sound advice (at least, I think it's sound ).

I was contacted by one of my MOTLers about a trade that PucaTrade assigned to him. I guess he hadn't thought of looking through our CBTL and checking names against that. So, after he sent the card out, I guess he found out the guy was banned here and asked why. When I said he was banned for ripping, my MOTLer was quite upset.

Just remember everyone who is using this site, it's NOT as safe as MOTL, the users that were banned here are free to roam that site and rip off whomever they want. PLEASE make sure you still check our BTA and CBTL.

Pucatrade is still in it's infancy and you need to treat it as such. I have no idea how they handle their BTA-type cases, or how they handle ripping (I do have an email in to their owner, requesting the info, don't know if he'll respond.)

Please be careful. I'd hate for my MOTLers to get ripped off on another site just as much as I hate it happening here.



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My son has gone crazy with Magic recently. We've been playing for years now, and until last week the only deck that he had of his own was the Kaalia deck with a couple changes. He's been mostly playing with my decks or we do Cube drafting. I've been giving him cards every once in a while and my brother gave him about a 1000 cards last Christmas, so he does have some of his own cards, but he rarely used them. Then this week ordered a box of boosters online and made 14 decks out of his cards. He's asking for land for all of his decks and as many sleeves as I can spare. He's finally gotten the deck-building bug and says that deck building is almost as much as playing.
 
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Originally posted by psrex:
My son has gone crazy with Magic recently. We've been playing for years now, and until last week the only deck that he had of his own was the Kaalia deck with a couple changes. He's been mostly playing with my decks or we do Cube drafting. I've been giving him cards every once in a while and my brother gave him about a 1000 cards last Christmas, so he does have some of his own cards, but he rarely used them. Then this week ordered a box of boosters online and made 14 decks out of his cards. He's asking for land for all of his decks and as many sleeves as I can spare. He's finally gotten the deck-building bug and says that deck building is almost as much as playing.

very cool. Some day for me I guess. If you need basics, drop me your address and I'll ship you a few hundred.

In other news, Modern Merfolk has got to be the most boring deck to play with and against.

 
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Originally posted by Hooskdaddy:
Thats what the pics were for. Honestly $200 isnt going to happen. I flat out refuse to give you that. Id rather be banned.

Ive looked over the pics again using my home computer for better clarity and i come to the same conclusion as before. Only those few cards come out as less than ex.


So if dude wants to be banned, what's next for bald to get something back if anything at all?

 
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Hoosk needs to be banned at this point.

That last fiasco that ended up with Leshrac even having to get involved and actually change site rules(!) was the tipping point, this time... it's rediculousness gone too far.

Those cards in the pic were crap condition. I would be mad too!

Now 'slinga is throwing some sort of protest against these sort of BTA's.

To me, it's simple. Ban Hoosk and maybe 'slinga should step down as mod if he doesn't want to deal with "stupid" things like this.

Bald got screwed and we all know it. Too bad he dealt with Hoosk in the first place though. We could all see the writing on the wall regarding him. Of course he doesn't care if he gets banned... he just sold out!

I'm not trying to rail against 'slinga, because he's been a good dude in the past, but it seems lately he's on some angry mood fest or something.

Where the hell is Coolio when you need him to chime in!? ::sigh::

 
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Originally posted by flophaus:

Where the hell is Coolio when you need him to chime in!? ::sigh::

playing poker. he'll be back monday.

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I also agree that Hooks needs to be banned at this point. There should be no karma smack or slap on the wrist at this point with all the past incidents.

That is some of the most blatant disrespect I've ever seen in a BTA. Rippers have been more lenient.

 
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If hoosk isn't banned, then I see no reason to continue using this site.

I only see one mod that actively participates on this site (jazaray). I rarely see a post by any other mod.

I very strongly think that it's time for some new mods. 50 000 members is boasted here (more like 500), but regardless, 9 moderators for 500-50 000 people isn't enough. Especially since only a few post at all, and only one is active on the forums and seems to care.

 
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The site needs a complete overhaul. vBulletin, whatever, it just needs to an update.
 
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Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
If hoosk isn't banned, then I see no reason to continue using this site.

I only see one mod that actively participates on this site (jazaray). I rarely see a post by any other mod.


I see nderdog posting. I also see nder ;d slinga handling the bta boards~ which i am sure can be hectic. True Jaz is most active, but I also see nderdog taking care of matters as well. example could be rules violations thread. Personally, jaz, nder are the reasons motl is running as a site. ans im sure slinga helps out when he can

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Originally posted by revenger:
I see nderdog posting. I also see nder ;d slinga handling the bta boards~ which i am sure can be hectic. True Jaz is most active, but I also see nderdog taking care of matters as well. example could be rules violations thread. Personally, jaz, nder are the reasons motl is running as a site. ans im sure slinga helps out when he can


+1 Remember they do this for free. Thank god we have them here or this site would be total trash without them.

 
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Finding Mods to do this for free and are fair is probably difficult, but there are a few mods here who never seem active (Dannibal, Cerebus) and others have different degrees of involvment, maybe it is time to at least add a couple, or replace the ones who don't have the time to be active with a couple more who do to take the pressure off of the few active ones we have a bit. I am sure the Mods can be trusted to pick a couple of members who they know could be trusted to do this. As far as Hoosk goes I know about the one other ruling recently that favored him (bad ruling in my opinion) and led to the rule change. If he has another shady business practice as it looks in this case(Some of those cards are easily much worse than EX by any guide standard) then I think a banning maybe appropriate to protect other members from someone who is willing to skirt the rules and take advantage of other members, but if the Mods rule he should pay back x amount to Bladr or send cards back for cash and he agrees and actually does it probably shouldn't be banned but a stern warning about these kind of actions in the future resulting in his banning would be appropriate, howver if he has a longer history of this than I am aware of than an outright banning could be appropriate after it is made sure he does right with baldr. Just my 2 sense.

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Hooskdaddy has had something like four or five BTA cases so far, which is a lot to begin with. The last one results in major rule changes/controversy but somehow manages to emerge unscathed and weasels his way out of compensation. Yet despite that giant target the case painted on his back, he's back on the BTA and once again providing poor customer service and is unwilling to compromise. Think it's time to give him the heave-ho, he's clearly taking liberties with this site much to the detriment of other members.

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Originally posted by flophaus:
[B}

I'm not trying to rail against 'slinga, because he's been a good dude in the past, but it seems lately he's on some angry mood fest or something.

[/B]


By mood fest do you mean, one post?

 
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Originally posted by revenger:
I see nderdog posting. I also see nder ;d slinga handling the bta boards~ which i am sure can be hectic. True Jaz is most active, but I also see nderdog taking care of matters as well. example could be rules violations thread. Personally, jaz, nder are the reasons motl is running as a site. ans im sure slinga helps out when he can

Yeah, I tend to be more behind the scenes these days. If you saw my Google Talk history, you'd see an awful lot of discussions with Jaz and I about various issues.


Nderwife and I went to Magic Celebrations today, and I'm ambivalent about the whole day. On the plus side, Nderwife got a free Ajani. On the other hand, the day was really a pretty tough ordeal. I failed in my pleading to run the event as it was supposed to be run, and one of the others somehow convinced them that draft was a much better format for a few experienced players and a bunch of new ones because it's much more fair for everyone. 17 players drafting, some of them with almost no exposure to M13 was a bit painful. I started off just running the drafts so that the store employee could handle paying customers. After about 2 packs of drafting, one of the players had to leave for some kind of personal emergency, so I picked up his draft pile and finished it out. The whole thing took 6 hours to complete the draft and 4 rounds, and while everyone was going to get 1 prize pack for showing up, someone miscounted, so we ended up one short. At least I got to wear Bolas Horns all day and play judge.

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I mean no insult to any of the mods here. What I am saying is that we need more mods, and a site overhaul. Some very basic things just aren't available here (stickys for instance).

I know some people are willing to become mods. And possibly there could be a lower-level moderator system placed. Such as Janitors that clean up dead threads, monitors that monitor threads and can lock them, and moderators to deal with personal issues (karma smacks, banning, etc).

I appreciate people running a free service and a free site. I am on here several times a day. I'm not saying I'm a perfect person but I would be willing to help out. Since I am here constantly it's not like I don't have time to help.

 
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quote:
Originally posted by B14ckM4g3:
I mean no insult to any of the mods here. What I am saying is that we need more mods, and a site overhaul. Some very basic things just aren't available here (stickys for instance).

I know some people are willing to become mods. And possibly there could be a lower-level moderator system placed. Such as Janitors that clean up dead threads, monitors that monitor threads and can lock them, and moderators to deal with personal issues (karma smacks, banning, etc).

I appreciate people running a free service and a free site. I am on here several times a day. I'm not saying I'm a perfect person but I would be willing to help out. Since I am here constantly it's not like I don't have time to help.


I can't speak for all the mods, but I did not take what you said as insulting.

I also know quite a few people who would like to become Mods. We used to have a Global Mod/Mod type of thing, eons and eons ago, but it was disbanded or whatever.

And I can totally confirm that I bug nder a billion times a day or more I even manage to bug 'Slinga a few thousand times

I'm not sure I even LIKE the ideas of "Stickys". I can't really think of anything they'd be useful for here. If people don't read the "rules" through the link, or when they sign up, they're not gonna read them just cuz they're sticky'd.

I'm on here, practically all day, every day. And, even when I'm not, I'm usually available by IM (contact info in my profile!). I've made sure that I have every type of messenger client that I can think of, to make myself more available to everyone.

I just am not sure what you think having more mods around would do. We handle everything pretty damn good already (IMO! )

Thanks,
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Originally posted by Jazaray:

I just am not sure what you think having more mods around would do. We handle everything pretty damn good already (IMO! )

Thanks,
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well for one, Slinga is the only active mod that can moderate the Trade+value forum, AND the suggestion forum. :/

Also, that "Changes to effective sending rules" thread we got, with bold titles, yea that needs a sticky. and imo, it needs to be in EVERY trade forum too, not buried in general.

Beyond that, with only 3 active mods, there are times when this place gets flooded with spam and a mod isnt around to deal with it. not really a plus.

I know you guys work hard, for free. I also know that certain BTAS are open without any 'visible' action for far too long. There are other longterm members that would take a little of the burden off of you guys, and as blackmage said, maybe just lock/delete threads to keep the place clean, bring karma issues to your attention, so you guys can keep doing the high importance stuff and have a little bit more of your own lives too.

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As thror said, that was moreso my intention. I appreciate the work that is done here. but I think some of the more minor things could definitely be alleviated. And some new mods wouldn't hurt. I stand by my post that 3 active mods for 500-50 000 people is a pretty harsh spread.

I may have had issues with slinga - but heres the thing: I broke the rules. I may have disagreed with his judgement, but I respect his choice to enforce the rules. Look at some of the members that are actively and consistently posting every day on multiple topics. Some, like myself, have been members for 10+ years. And maybe that's part of the problem. Some people don't see the need for change - Change is a part of life. While it may take adjusting, it (usually) is for the better. And in my 10+ years on this site, nothing has changed. Nothing. We still get advertisements from sites that don't exist anymore (so how much money is really being made off them?).

As thror said, stickies exist not for the general public to be able to use. For mods to be able to use to post general info that everyone should be aware of. Consider the post for rules breakage, or Leshrac's post of changes to the site.

I can do a search right now and probably find a H/W list that's a couple of years old. Should be automatically deleted after so long of a period.

People shouldn't 'refrain' from posting or offering trades while BTA'd. They shouldn't be able to. A simple 'temp-ban' on posting should be an option for mods to utilize.

And mods shouldn't have to do everything. A hierarchy could be established so that, as thror and myself have mentioned, give the mods that do take action here a little break.

Thanks for reading.

 
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A note on the Nicol Bolas horns / hat...

I would venture to guess that the average magic player is what... 20-something? For every 15 year old, there are how many 30-year-olds playing the game?

That said, why even bother putting a burger king promotion in with the box of stuff that you send to shops for this game-day celebration thing. They really want to distance themselves from the image of "this game is like poker, there is a ton of skill, money to be won, and intelligent folks playing," to "this game is for childish nerds that wear capes and fantasize about riding a dragon."

Love the game, love most of the promotions, but I think they really missed the mark on this one.

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Originally posted by MagicPatty:
A note on the Nicol Bolas horns / hat...

I would venture to guess that the average magic player is what... 20-something? For every 15 year old, there are how many 30-year-olds playing the game?

That said, why even bother putting a burger king promotion in with the box of stuff that you send to shops for this game-day celebration thing. They really want to distance themselves from the image of "this game is like poker, there is a ton of skill, money to be won, and intelligent folks playing," to "this game is for childish nerds that wear capes and fantasize about riding a dragon."

Love the game, love most of the promotions, but I think they really missed the mark on this one.


Yet alot of people loved the terrible hat

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But I thought it was normal to wear capes and fa..

Crap.

Regardless, the burger-king-hat promotion was kind of stupid (though I agree, people at my store kind of enjoyed messing around with it too, and we have a couple guys with 2-3 year old kids here so we put the hats on them too). But honestly, I don't think it has any practical impact on the image of the game. People that go to LGS are already seen as nerds. Hell, people that win Pro Tours and stuff are still nerds, they're just good at being nerds. No fantasy-based game like MTG will ever fully escape that generalization about its players.

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actually we had a player turn the crown upside down was was the dovahkin. He would dictate when to pass in a fundraft we had afterwards with Fu-Ros-Pass. It was entertaining.

Besides, we are nerds/geeks. If you can't embrace what you are and have fun doing it, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your life. I'm not saying this in an insulting way, I'm saying this literally. People change, part of life.

 

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